Pakistan Air Chief Outlines Procurement

[The Vicious Kind]

A question ,If U.S imposes sanctions on pakistan (just like old times) and which i think is very likely as soon ,as we are of no use,will pakistan be able to keep its f-16 fleet operational (spare parts etc ).Perhaps via turkey(tai) or through the black market or will we have to cannibalize like Iran.

 

[SQ8]

1. Iran never had F-16's.. its falcons went to Israel.. perhaps you are talking about F-14's.. has been done so before by Pakistan.. F-16's were pooled.. and two or three were cannibalized. ..until an illegitimate source of parts was found.

2. Compared to the 90's.. there are better chances of keeping the F-16 fleet active.

 

[Manticore]

and two or three were cannibalized. ...

can it be assumed that these 2 are once again active , now that we have those spares?

 

[ali_raza]

i think this is great thought,,,,,,,as war on terror is going on pakistan air force want to take full advantage of that situation,becose may be after that united states whuold not agry to compromise with pakistan,,,,,,,,becose the reason every body know,,,,,that some lobbiests sitting across the border.,,so keep it up paf.........

 

[Last Hope]

Shouldnt we stop entertaining the US?
We are totally dependend on them.

Invest the money into JF-17 or J-10B.
Or something better, R&D for some other 4G jet?


United states has monopolised the Pakistan Air Force.

We must have some other 'suppliers' too.

Regards.

 

[alimobin memon]

we aren't spending we are getting them in aid can't effect jf17 procurement program.

 

[ali_raza]

exactly we should take full asvantage of this situation

 

[SQ8]

we aren't spending we are getting them in aid can't effect jf17 procurement program.

Nothing came in AID.
All our F-16's.. were paid for by us..using our money... Even those we are getting .. were ours from the start.

 

[The Vicious Kind]

1. Iran never had F-16's.. its falcons went to Israel.. perhaps you are talking about F-14's.. has been done so before by Pakistan.. F-16's were pooled.. and two or three were cannibalized. ..until an illegitimate source of parts was found.

I was certainly ,talking about their f-14 .If iran can keep their ancient F-14 in the skies for 3 decades ,then it makes sense for Paf to buy as much falcons as they can. I dont know why pkdefence ppl are so critical of paf. I mean if you look at Paf requirements ,we need a single engine multirole 4+ gen fighter. what options despite f-16 does pakistan really have.Gripen ? which also uses american parts ,j-10a which with the current engine and avionics is second-rate to j-10b (still going trails) and the f-16 blk52.I read a chinese members post that claimed that the current j-10 had an 18-1 kill ratio agains su30mkk. Why not wait ,which Paf is indeed doing .

 

[SQ8]

I was certainly ,talking about their f-14 .If iran can keep their ancient F-14 in the skies for 3 decades ,then it makes sense for Paf to buy as much falcons as they can. I dont know why pkdefence ppl are so critical of paf. I mean if you look at Paf requirements ,we need a single engine multirole 4+ gen fighter. what options despite f-16 does pakistan really have.Gripen ? which also uses american parts ,j-10a which with the current engine and avionics is second-rate to j-10b (still going trails) and the f-16 blk52.I read a chinese members post that claimed that the current j-10 had an 18-1 kill ratio agains su30mkk. Why not wait ,which Paf is indeed doing .

The PAF doctrine has been outlined..
three frontline types..
the JF-17, F-16 and FC-20.
The F-16 is preferred for a lot of reasons..
first and foremost..
in the words of a PAF officer.. it seems to be tailor made for us.
Which is why we like it soo much..and our obsession with it.
However...eventually.. in a few years..the F-16 will start to form the mid tier strike force of the PAF .superseded by the FC-20..
And the PAF foresees the falcon in use till 2028.. after which. ..it expects a fifth gen jet to have taken strength in numbers.

 

[VCheng]

The PAF doctrine has been outlined..
three frontline types..
the JF-17, F-16 and FC-20.
The F-16 is preferred for a lot of reasons..
first and foremost..
in the words of a PAF officer.. it seems to be tailor made for us.
Which is why we like it soo much..and our obsession with it.
However...eventually.. in a few years..the F-16 will start to form the mid tier strike force of the PAF .superseded by the FC-20..
And the PAF foresees the falcon in use till 2028.. after which. ..it expects a fifth gen jet to have taken strength in numbers.

That sounds like a very reasonable plan given internal and external conditionalities.

 

[alimobin memon]

Nothing came in AID.
All our F-16's.. were paid for by us..using our money... Even those we are getting .. were ours from the start.

yaar that's what i said in 2nd last post that they are from peace drive so money cannot refund to pakistan all the u.s will do is provide f16...

 

[ejaz007]

they might be getting for free for exchanging with Davis.....

Young man think before you post.

 

[SQ8]

yaar that's what i said in 2nd last post that they are from peace drive so money cannot refund to pakistan all the u.s will do is provide f16...

I said we can ask the US DoD for spares.. spares that will be paid for by our foreign military aid.. since we are using the jets against the taliban.
the Jets themselves.. are ours.
However.. quite a bit of the spares.. we pay for ourselves now..and even the munitions.

Its like owning your own car.. but using a company card for petrol.

 

[farhan_9909]

Yeah we need more F-16.

J-10B is still few years away

we need 100 f-16 and then full stop after that

we have much experiance with F-16..

100 f-16,250 JFT,about 150 J-10B til 2020.

this is more then enough for us.

5th gen only in small number