Pak Army isn't capable of fighting and Bajwa's Kashmir deal with India

[BamsiBey]

Although this is old news but why is Hamid Mir making it public again? The timing is very questionable.

Who benefits the most out of this?

I think this is meant to throw crap at establishment before Supreme court judgment comes out. I think its zardari behind all of it as he's eyeing for the presidency.

 

[sparten]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650042767882559488

You guys are really scraping the bottom of the barrel if you are relying on that child abusing fraud to argue your case.

 

[NA71]

 

[NA71]

Now according to Imran Riaz and some other senior Journalists ....Hamid Mir all of a sudden comes on a planned TV show and revealed that....he is launched by PDM and try to put all the blame on Ex Chief while saving many more

 

[Bilal.]

Our Army says it can’t fight or provide security.

Our election commission says it cannot carry out elections.

The PMLN government says it can’t govern and beggers can’t be choosers.

Some of the judges led by Fayez Issa say they can’t take up matter of constitutional right.

NAB can’t prosecute corruption matters.

What the hell is this joke? In sabh ko ghar bhaijo.

 

[Falcon34]

My only question is why Hamid Mir was silent for the last one year? As far as my opinion is concerned, General Bajwa must have highlighted some limitations, not a blatant statement like these anchors are saying that we are not capable of fighting....in ko bhi masala lagana achi tarah aata hai.

What kind of a fucking general would say that to journalists what was the need, I've lost respect for you lot. I have never been embarased n front of indians like that, And i can't even say anything in return to those pajeets because a fucking COAS said that himself. Thooo!!

 

[Meengla]

Should we start judging the ex Army Chief on comments by 2 media anchors who may or may not even have understood what Bajwa explained to them? I refuse to believe that Bajwa would have told them our Tanks and Jets don't function but I absolutely believe that Bajwa would have told them that we would not be in a position to take on India in a prolonged conflict as the West, especially the US, would immediately impose sanctions and parts and armaments for most of our US centric Weapons would not be available.

Furthermore, who in his/her right mind believes that we can win a war against India? In which history have we ever won a war against India? Especially when today's India is so much more advanced, armed to the teeth with top western equipment and financially atleast 10x stronger than Pakistan?

And finally, what exactly is the Kashmir solution? Other to accept the de facto LoC as IB on which convincing India is a feat deserving the NOBEL peace prize; what realistically is the solution, pray tell?

Your sensible post will fall on deaf ears here.
This forum had been mocking Hamid Mir forever until and unless he speaks this forum's viewpoint. But to me he is a great journalist of Pakistan--perhaps the in the greatest top three.
What's so new about Bajwa's implicit acceptance of LoC = IB as solution to the Kashmir issue? Since about 2004, the basis of Musharraf-Manmohan engagement on Kashmir was the acceptance, at least for a few decades, such compromise.

And, also, be cautious: Remove the military or even its Generals, Pakistan will face even more chaos. What do people think if you remove the top, say, 1000 officers?? The ones rising up will be better?! Nah. And while cursing the politicians, remove them and what will replace them? And WHO will replace them? Remove the top 100 from the Judiciary but who would replace them? They are ALL cut from the same cloth!! We are ALL cut from the same cloth! Had I not mentioned the story 'Who will bell the cat' in some other thread?? But then most people can't think beyond the next step! I recognize 'change' has to happen but it can't happen in a way to make the situation even worse. Gradual, evolutionary reforms are needed and that starts with open discussion and tolerance of others' views. Calling everyone 'Lifafa Journalists'. Calling everyone 'Looters'. Calling everyone 'Traitors'. That's the norm since Imran Khan's rise. That's not healthy for any country. The country IS a country of multiple and strong political forces and they all have their places in the country.

 

[Winchester]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650042767882559488

Are you active service?

I think its better if you don't indulge in defending the actions of a disgraced former chief.

 

[Falcon34]

but now we are having world best rafael fighter jets from made in France

Ban this fool, why the **** dudes here are replying fo this 12 year old, look at the way he writes, this how a 12 year would write..

 

[ProudThamizhan]

Should we start judging the ex Army Chief on comments by 2 media anchors who may or may not even have understood what Bajwa explained to them? I refuse to believe that Bajwa would have told them our Tanks and Jets don't function but I absolutely believe that Bajwa would have told them that we would not be in a position to take on India in a prolonged conflict as the West, especially the US, would immediately impose sanctions and parts and armaments for most of our US centric Weapons would not be available.

Furthermore, who in his/her right mind believes that we can win a war against India? In which history have we ever won a war against India? Especially when today's India is so much more advanced, armed to the teeth with top western equipment and financially atleast 10x stronger than Pakistan?

And finally, what exactly is the Kashmir solution? Other to accept the de facto LoC as IB on which convincing India is a feat deserving the NOBEL peace prize; what realistically is the solution, pray tell?

Neither the Pakistani military nor the Pakistani politicians want to bring peace in Pakistan or India. That’s how they earn their living.

 

[Mav3rick]

Besides F16, what major ticket item is western?
Almost all of are Army equiopment is either indigenous or Chinese, saving Artillery and the artillery is overhauled locally.
Navy is either French, Chinese or indigenous.
Air Force (beside the aforementioned F16) is all Chinese.

Are all locally ovrhauled, the OEM has long since stopped making spares and more to the point, being phased out.

Only on the F16 and we have alternatives.

is French. The upcoming Hangor is Chinese.

Being replaced

Most of our heavy lift helos are Russian and European in origin.

Only the 155mm M109 and M198.


There is no full on war scenario with India that doesn't turn nuclear. Which means that submission fantasy of getting whopped by India isn't happening.

Mirages are being overhauled with cannibalism of Mirages acquired from other countries and they are still assigned the role of a Nuclear Strike. Please do not bring in Hangor which will start to be delivered by 2028 and God knows by when we will get all 8 and also no idea how effective they really are compared to our 30 year old Augusta Submarines.....and India in the meantime is getting the top French submarines. I don't know what we will use to replace the P-3C Orions as the Chinese still have noting on the P-8's which Indian Navy is already using. During operation swift retort, we used non-Chinese AWEACS to for ELINT & EW; and non-Chinese Jets to deliver ordinance and to shoot down an 80's IAF Jet (despite being upgraded to BISON standard).....that's how much trust we have on our 5 year old Chinese assets.

When US imposes sanctions, it will swiftly be duplicated by all her allies including the French which are already not interested in selling to us.

Yes, we can indeed prolong a war if we are continuously supplied by China but Chinese vessels will have to navigate Indian waters to get to us as the Kashmir part will be under intense warfare and will not be feasible for weapons transfer. I still wonder who will continue to provide us with Billions in aid, weapons, petroleum products, armaments, medicine, edibles etc., etc., to continue to wage a war against a financial super power which will have the support of the entire West as well as Russia & Iran in all probability.

 

[ProudThamizhan]

WTF do you mean they cant fight look at Ukraine who are not even military a 10th of us being a hurdle to Russia. Pakistan is very capable to win a defensive war with India with no doubt support from China. Ballless generals afraid of protecting the nation we should tell them to pack up and move thier families to India fucking cucks.

What does a defensive war mean ? If you mean defend Pakistan when India attacks it, I don’t think that risk exists. India has no such interest afaik

 

[PanzerKiel]

You guys are really scraping the bottom of the barrel if you are relying on that child abusing fraud to argue your case.

Which child abusing fraud?

 

[Mav3rick]

Your sensible post will fall on deaf ears here.
This forum had been mocking Hamid Mir forever until and unless he speaks this forum's viewpoint. But to me he is a great journalist of Pakistan--perhaps the in the greatest top three.
What's so new about Bajwa's implicit acceptance of LoC = IB as solution to the Kashmir issue? Since about 2004, the basis of Musharraf-Manmohan engagement on Kashmir was the acceptance, at least for a few decades, such compromise.

And, also, be cautious: Remove the military or even its Generals, Pakistan will face even more chaos. What do people think if you remove the top, say, 1000 officers?? The ones rising up will be better?! Nah. And while cursing the politicians, remove them and what will replace them? And WHO will replace them? Remove the top 100 from the Judiciary but who would replace them? They are ALL cut from the same cloth!! We are ALL cut from the same cloth! Had I not mentioned the story 'Who will bell the cat' in some other thread?? But then most people can't think beyond the next step! I recognize 'change' has to happen but it can't happen in a way to make the situation even worse. Gradual, evolutionary reforms are needed and that starts with open discussion and tolerance of others' views. Calling everyone 'Lifafa Journalists'. Calling everyone 'Looters'. Calling everyone 'Traitors'. That's the norm since Imran Khan's rise. That's not healthy for any country. The country IS a country of multiple and strong political forces and they all have their places in the country.

What you wrote above, I have been saying the exact same thing to everyone that we are all inherently corrupt and seek easy ways out. We will not be honest ourselves but want the Judiciary, Military, Politicians etc., to be honest and pious even. We are hypocrites......but we were not like this; I believe we weren't always like this. Maybe we can go back to being normal and moral and good ourselves.

 

[PanzerKiel]

Are you active service?

I think its better if you don't indulge in defending the actions of a disgraced former chief.

You can check up my post history. I've never defended such a thing.

Are you active service?

I think its better if you don't indulge in defending the actions of a disgraced former chief.

Wrong actions otherwise can't be defended. It's always futile.