PAF revamped Air Defense Alert System

[Pak Nationalist]

Perhaps the PA/PAF are waiting for the active radar seeker HQ-9C to complete its development before indicating more systems. A system that will match the capabilities of the S-400.

If HQ-9C matches S-400's capability, why is PLA using S-400?

 

[FuturePAF]

If HQ-9C matches S-400's capability, why is PLA using S-400?

They bought S-400 before they finished the HQ-9C.

 

[SQ8]

If HQ-9C matches S-400's capability, why is PLA using S-400?

PLA uses the S-400 in a very limited capacity and mostly for analysis and reverse engineering much like the Su-35.Legacy S-300 systems dominate the mix but are being replaced by HQ-9 series in numbers.

 

[Gripen9]

Maybe 482 hasn't got ylc 6 as well but for 483 I can confirm.

My abba commanded 482 back in the day when it was called CRC wing.

 

[farooqbhai007]

btw ylc6 have been freed up in most places by tps77mrr large scale deployment now , which is good since ylc-6 are single vehicle systems which are highly mobiles ones, easy to move , hide & deploy.

 

[hassan1]

https://www.pac.org.pk/radar-overhaul

 

[farooqbhai007]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1551958425474670592

@Tps43 could u clarify exact type names for the variants

 

[farooqbhai007]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1558513418566615040

 

[HRK]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1558513418566615040

Any idea about future indigenous radar .... ???

 

[Signalian]

PLA has already started fielding a new type of HQ9 with a new FCR Radar and new Search Radar since late 2020.

Should have been interesting what PAF deduced from the Vera radar design to give its inputs.

 

[farooqbhai007]

It might still be in trials, and might not be revealed until it matches or exceeds the S-400 (@400 km Max range) and the SM-6 (@370 km Max range). With an active seeker, the missile will be uncoupled from the ground radar, and with a two-way datalink it maybe able to use radar data from other platforms like an AWACS or low earth orbit satellite to get the missile close enough for its own seeker to find, fix, and eliminate the target. So, IMHO, the PAF is waiting for China to work out not just the missile but the kill chain, and buy it when it is ready.


So we might see it in our air defense inventory by the end of the decade, as the Chinese will have a need to fit it to their frontline dozens of destroyers in their Navy and the dozens of frontline ground batteries on the coast. This will probably take the next 5 years, after which we might see some batteries sold to Pakistan by 2028-2029.

Nope its not in trials its fielded on mass scale at most of the HQ9 sites since 2020.

Chinese offer more things for export than any nation , do you know the there are 4+ FCRs alone available for export with HQ9 with 2 of these being much more advanced than ones in PLA inventory.
Even HQ16 has a newer FCR unveiled in 2018 that has much better capabilities than the older FCR that both PLA & PA use , yet PLA hasn't adopted the new FCR but have offered it for export.

Should have been interesting what PAF deduced from the Vera radar design to give its inputs.

PAF Vera's are old now, for several years now Vera NG has been marketed and has been sold to some ME&A region customer as well. Chinese well far ahead in passive radar tech so don't think they need inputs on Vera.

Chinese have a whole network along the entire coast made up of purely passive radar systems (same passive radar Also exported as part of CHL906 EW system that we purchased ) , and that is in addition to the other various types of passive radars they have in large quantities.

 

[FuturePAF]

Nope its not in trials its fielded on mass scale at most of the HQ9 sites since 2020.

Chinese offer more things for export than any nation , do you know the there are 4+ FCRs alone available for export with HQ9 with 2 of these being much more advanced than ones in PLA inventory.
Even HQ16 has a newer FCR unveiled in 2018 that has much better capabilities than the older FCR that both PLA & PA use , yet PLA hasn't adopted the new FCR but have offered it for export.


PAF Vera's are old now, for several years now Vera NG has been marketed and has been sold to some ME&A region customer as well. Chinese well far ahead in passive radar tech so don't think they need inputs on Vera.

Chinese have a whole network along the entire coast made up of purely passive radar systems (same passive radar Also exported as part of CHL906 EW system that we purchased ) , and that is in addition to the other various types of passive radars they have in large quantities.

I will agree they do offer more options and more ways to customize systems then any other. The reference I was looking at the time of that post said it was still in development, but I wouldn’t be surprised if that information was outdated and the missile has already been deployed to the frontline units. Chinese military modernization nowadays is akin to the speed of technological innovation seen only during WW2. Generational shifts in a matter of a few years.

Also, the economies of scale make them the most price competitive. But that price competitiveness is also what makes many underestimate their products. That was the same folly people made about American weapons a century ago, and the US eclipsed the Europeans.

 

[farooqbhai007]

Our air defence system is a joke. We dont even have a single OTH radar.

ok kiddo u seem to be obessed with oth radars , how many countries exactly have these oth radars , please look it up.
Russia , China , Iran & Algeria are the only ones with oth radars operational , now compare there land size with pakistan. OTH radars are only for those countries that have large land masses requiring radars with ranges that normal radars cant fullfill.

secondly please do some research based on panzerkiel's figure of about PA AD having 12 regiments of HQ9/HQ16 in service is equal to 24 batteries total given we take 2 batteries per regiment. And that is in addition to FM90 & Spada & Crotale. PAF is behind in SAM systems but PAF has loads of radars in service.

 

[Raja Porus]

2 batteries per regiment.

3*

 

[farooqbhai007]

Can mods pls delete the troll posts and offtopic posts from this page.