PAF ordered to shoot down US drones invading Pakistani airspace: Air Chief Sohail Aman

[LeGenD]

u seem to b clue less alot about strategic calculus... sending f 22 against pak will mean serious repercussions which US may not afford...

Supply line is least... afghan war will be lost... any thing serious may mean a nuclear stand off...

So they can take their f22s and shove them

Please keep in mind we are only saying we would put drone down only if it violates... than escalation is up to them... I m sure calculations have been done about escalation .... this is Pakistan... not iraq

Indeed this is Pakistan, not Russia.

In-fact, even Russia exercise caution when it comes to the US.

Do you have any idea what US can do to both Pakistan and Afghanistan? Let us be realistic in our judgement. We are in no position to threaten US with consequences.

 

[Mrc]

Indeed this is Pakistan, not Russia.

In-fact, even Russia exercise caution when it comes to the US.

Do you have any idea what US can do to both Pakistan and Afghanistan? Let us be realistic in our judgement. We are in no position to threaten US with consequences.

Oh bhai they never responded to provocation before.... now they decided they will .... read between the lines... strategically it was not in best interest to respond before... now it is ... and no they cannot do Pakistan.... rest assured

Things change... nothing lasts for ever ... not 2001 any more... technologies get acquired... missiles grow ranges ... nukes change in thermo nukes... u want to see the battle plan,?? The guy who said this is neither an idiot nor less informed

 

[Trango Towers]

Indeed this is Pakistan, not Russia.

In-fact, even Russia exercise caution when it comes to the US.

Do you have any idea what US can do to both Pakistan and Afghanistan? Let us be realistic in our judgement. We are in no position to threaten US with consequences.

Trump administration is focused on combating terror networks in Afghanistan. If terrorists continue to stage attacks in Afghanistan and then hide among Afghan refugees in Pakistan, then the best course of action is to evict all Afghan refugees from Pakistan.

you are correct we must not fight America but if threatened do as musharaf said......we will attack the country that runs America. game over. no American president and especially not those whos daughters are married to jews will risk the existence of Israel. we may not survive but the world will be rid of a big problem

Oh bhai they never responded to provocation before.... now they decided they will .... read between the lines... strategically it was not in best interest to respond before... now it is ... and no they cannot do Pakistan.... rest assured

Things change... nothing lasts for ever ... not 2001 any more... technologies get acquired... missiles grow ranges ... nukes change in thermo nukes... u want to see the battle plan,?? The guy who said this is neither an idiot nor less informed

pakistan has learnt from NK
America just barks. bites only those who cant hit back. hence
satellite launching.....which is effectively an ICBM

 

[LeGenD]

Oh bhai they never responded to provocation before.... now they decided they will .... read between the lines... strategically it was not in best interest to respond before... now it is ... and no they cannot do Pakistan.... rest assured

Trump administration is focused on combating terror networks in Afghanistan, not threatening Pakistani military actually. Mostly terrorists are subjected to drone strikes in the region.

Any action against an American drone warrants permission from COAS and political leadership because this is not a joke. Shooting a small Iranian or Indian drone hovering over the border is of little consequence and not a comparable scenario.

Eradication of terror networks should be our top priority, brother.

 

[Mrc]

Trump administration is focused on combating terror networks in Afghanistan, not threatening Pakistani military actually. Mostly terrorists are subjected to drone strikes in the region.

Any action against an American drone warrants permission from COAS and political leadership because this is not a joke. Shooting a small Iranian or Indian drone hovering over the border is of little consequence and not a comparable scenario.

Eradication of terror networks should be our top priority, brother.

And I guess ISIS is relocating to Afghanistan through islamabad airport...

Off course if they share intelligence we will take action... if they send a drone without permission we will now put it down caz we feel comfortable to do so....

That's the exact Pakistani stance

 

[AFlover]

pakistan has learnt from NK
America just barks. bites only those who cant hit back. hence
satellite launching.....which is effectively an ICBM[/QUOTE]

Very good that I correctly read between the lines few days back on the subject.

If US PAK struck their horns into a war then two things for sure
1) NATO Supply will be cut
2) Pakistan will be open to supply ATGM and A-AC missiles to hostile forces in Afghanistan to wage a similar gurellia war like it did against USSR

And that’s the NATO and US will never want because at that stage it’s for sure the WW3 will take it’s real shape

 

[COOKie LOOkie....]

Indeed this is Pakistan, not Russia.

In-fact, even Russia exercise caution when it comes to the US.

Do you have any idea what US can do to both Pakistan and Afghanistan? Let us be realistic in our judgement. We are in no position to threaten US with consequences.

With kindness! lets say by any chance US sends their so called stealth aircrafts (f22 or f35) and bombs somewhere in Pakistan. just think for a second what will be the response of PAF and ARMY. war is not a kids game any kind of mishap with be dealt with. If US is so mighty they would have done it already they know Pakistans capabilities and would think a thousand times before doing something stupid!

And yeah if could ask USAF about PAF lock on their drone that would be nice! might clear a few things for you!

 

[LeGenD]

With kindness! lets say by any chance US sends their so called stealth aircrafts (f22 or f35) and bombs somewhere in Pakistan. just think for a second what will be the response of PAF and ARMY. war is not a kids game any kind of mishap with be dealt with. If US is so mighty they would have done it already they know Pakistans capabilities and would think a thousand times before doing something stupid!

And yeah if could ask USAF about PAF lock on their drone that would be nice! might clear a few things for you!

Right.

Do you remember Salala incident? What did we do? We closed the supply route for a while until an half-baked apology came.

US is absolutely mighty; it has ravaged 3 counties in succession since 9/11 and has ample resources for more. Operation Neptune Spear is a stark reminder of asymmetry between the military capabilities of both sides here.

War is certainly not a kids game, specially if the opponent is the US.

 

[Mrc]

Right.

Do you remember Salala incident? What did we do? We closed the supply route for a while until an half-baked apology came.

US is absolutely mighty; it has ravaged 3 counties in succession since 9/11 and has ample resources for more. Raid in Abbottabad is also a stark reminder of asymmetry between our defenses and their capabilities.

War is certainly not a kids game, specially if the opponent is the US.

Calculus has changed..... is it so difficult to understand... it was in their favour to escalate at salala.... now its not..... it's a very simple thing to under stand

 

[LeGenD]

Calculus has changed..... is it so difficult to understand... it was in their favour to escalate at salala.... now its not..... it's a very simple thing to under stand

How has it changed? Did we become a superpower over night? Wake-up.

All the bravado and chest-thumping you are witnessing will evaporate, when US will get serious. And think about India as well.

 

[Mrc]

How has it changed?

Did we become a superpower over night? Wake-up.

Missiles grow ranges... bombs become hydrogen bombs...

Simply put there would be more than one thing which is comfortably different today than in 2010...

Comfortably means far above and beyond risk of being compromised...

I cannot read future.... but giving such a threat publicly is an escalation it self

Expect a befitting retaliation from here on

 

[LeGenD]

Missiles grow ranges...

US can counter them.

bombs become hydrogen bombs...

We do not have Hydrogen Bombs.

Simply put there would be more than one thing which is comfortably different today than in 2010...

Comfortably means far above and beyond risk of being compromised...

I cannot read future.... but giving such a threat publicly is an escalation it self

Bro,

You are painting a superficial scenario.

Pakistani ACM has issued a VAGUE statement and you have started jumping on it.

Do you think US is scared? They know what we are capable of and they know what they can do.

 

[COOKie LOOkie....]

Right.

Do you remember Salala incident? What did we do? We closed the supply route for a while until an half-baked apology came.

US is absolutely mighty; it has ravaged 3 counties in succession since 9/11 and has ample resources for more. Operation Neptune Spear is a stark reminder of asymmetry between the military capabilities of both sides here.

War is certainly not a kids game, specially if the opponent is the US.

US termed salala as friendly fire not an act of war two diffrent things! about salala all i can say is that check how rich mr. kiyani got in a day!
and about neptune spear time will tell about this charade carried out!!
when your government is sold out what can one expect! although not the same case right now!
yeah about afghanistan the whole world can see the miracle victory USA has pulled out! talibans grew stronger has strongholds on even more ground than before. USA only has stronghold on Kabul.
and about US ravaging countries check out what kind of power those countries had! what can US do about North korea or even Iran! nothing! thats how mighty they are!!

 

[Mrc]

US can counter them.

No they cant

We do not have Hydrogen Bombs

Yes we do

Bro,

You are painting a superficial scenario.

Pakistani ACM has issued a VAGUE statement and you have started jumping on it.

Do you think US is scared? They know what we are capable of and they know what they can do.

What exactly is vague

If a US drone violates our territory we will shoot it down...

Kindly illustrate the vague part... u can bold and underline it

 

[LeGenD]

US termed salala as friendly fire not an act of war two diffrent things! about salala all i can say is that check how rich mr. kiyani got in a day!

I see it differently.

US Army and Pakistan Army exchanged fire for 2 hours straight which resulted in destruction of two outposts and numerous casualties on our side.

Pakistan Army (the entire institution) was really angry and perceived the incident as an act of aggression. You can question the ethics of COAS Kiyani but he calculated his options and shut down the supply routes to Afghanistan until an apology was received.

and about neptune spear time will tell about this charade carried out!!

It was not a charade but another act of aggression from the US; see post no. 194 in page 13 and no. 218 in page 15 for details respectively.

There [is] a major asymmetry between the military capabilities of the US and Pakistan and this reality is openly acknowledged in the Abbottabad Commission Report.

when your government is sold out what can one expect! although not the same case right now!

Governments do not tend to be sell outs in the manner you presume. They have to look at the bigger picture when making decisions.

Pakistan is plagued with a number of internal issues and unable to steer its economy out of crises, unfortunately.

yeah about afghanistan the whole world can see the miracle victory USA has pulled out! talibans grew stronger has strongholds on even more ground than before. USA only has stronghold on Kabul.

Afghanistan is in ruins! What else you want to see? US eradicating it from the face of the Earth?

Taliban is mostly good at harassing ANA and killing civilians. US Army has killed thousands of their combatants in various battles across Afghanistan since 2001. I am not sure what fights you have been watching.

What happened to the Taliban Spring Offensive by the way? They were about to take Kabul, weren't they?

and about US ravaging countries check out what kind of power those countries had! what can US do about North korea or even Iran! nothing! thats how mighty they are!!

They were reasonably strong but since US steamrolled them, a layperson gets the impression that they were easy pickings. I tell you that they were not.

Iraq, in particular, was extremely well-equipped and battle-hardened by 3rd World Standards in 1991.

Yes, I have seen what Iran can do; could not defeat Iraq in a span of 8 years. Also google "Operation Praying Mantis." Why do you think Iran compromised on its nuclear program in 2014? Because shit was about to hit the fan for them.

North Korea might be strong in regional context but no match for the US; Fat Kim knows this very well. This is why North Korea defines the trajectory of its missiles very carefully.

No they cant

They have relevant technologies to counter them. Have you been living under the rock?

Yes we do

Evidence?

What exactly is vague

If a US drone violates our territory we will shoot it down...

Kindly illustrate the vague part... u can bold and underline it

We will see.