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PAF JF-17 in Farnborough Air Show 2010

wow ... WMD 17 targeting pod .... just like the F16 Block C/D

300 JF17 thunders with these equipment and missiles as many as we want !!!:victory:
 
Wonder who bought the Chinese equipment in?.. Our herc or the Chinese on another transport?
 
Wonder who bought the Chinese equipment in?.. Our herc or the Chinese on another transport?

Well Chinese delegation is also at farnbrough, in pics Chinese technicians were seen assembling the weapon mock ups, thus most probably a separate Chinese delegation has also come in their own plane/planes and brought in the weapon mock ups as well as the higer ups of CATIC & AVIC.
 
Hi, the bomb next to the JF-17 is the LS-6. Take care.

Chinese Military Aviation | China Air Force

"This new precision-guided glide bomb called LS-6 was first revealed in October 2006. The bomb is 500kg and is guided by INS/GPS/GLONASS. It feartures a foldable wing module attached to the top of the unguided GP bomb section, and a guidance module with 4 movable fins attached to the end. The same kit can also be attached to the smaller 250kg bomb. This design clearly resembles that of American Longshot guidance and range-extension kit, which turns a low-cost dumb bomb into a smart standoff weapon against fixed targets. Its warhead weighs 440kg, length is 3m, diameter 377mm, wingspan 2,740mm, range 60km (dropped from 10,000m at 1 Mach) and CEP£15m. However, since GPS is controlled by the Unite States, this model may be aimed at the export market only. LS-6 has been tested onboard an CFTE J-8F."
 
Well Chinese delegation is also at farnbrough, in pics Chinese technicians were seen assembling the weapon mock ups, thus most probably a separate Chinese delegation has also come in their own plane/planes and brought in the weapon mock ups as well as the higer ups of CATIC & AVIC.

You bring the sandwiches and Ill bring the tea is it then??? :azn:
How many external antenna's are there??.. leaving the two pitot tubes aside. 4?? 5??.
One is that UHF radio one we discussed, what are the others for?..
Wonder why they bought the PL-5, its a fairly old missile, and not the PL-8 or 9.
 
Pakistan to offer JF-17 Thunder fighters at Farnborough Air Show


Islamabad will put its JF-17 Thunder fighter aircraft on sale at the Farnborough Air Show near London, a Pakistani TV channel said on Monday.

According to a senior source, Turkey and a range of Middle East and African states are interested in the fighters. The money from any sales will be steered into the country's air force.

The JF-17 Thunder is a lightweight tactic multirole supersonic combat aircraft jointly developed by the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex and the Chinese Chengdu Aircraft Industries Corporation.

About 50% of the on-board equipment and avionics for the fighter is manufactured in Pakistan at the Kamra plant, while the rest of the assembly parts come from China.

The Farnborough Air Show, one of the most preeminent global aviation events, will be held from July 19 - 25. The first five days of the show will be dedicated to concluding deals and the exhibition will then be open to the public over the weekend.

NEW DELHI, July 19 (RIA Novosti)

Pakistan to offer JF-17 Thunder fighters at Farnborough Air Show | Defense | RIA Novosti
 
This article clears many confusions!!
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Russia Fears Competition From Chinese Fighter Jets
Posted by Erin Sansone | July 16th, 2010 | Russia
By WENDELL MINNICK, USMAN ANSARI And NABI ABDULLAEV – Just two weeks before Beijing plans to showcase its JF-17/FC-1 multirole fighter to potential buyers, a leading executive of Russia’s aircraft industry is trying to keep the planes from getting off the ground.

In a recent letter, Mikhail Pogosyan, the general director of Sukhoi Design Bureau and Russian Aircraft Corp. (RAC) MiG, asked Russia’s Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC) to block the Chernyshyov Machine-building Enterprise from delivering 100 RD-93 engines.
“I am not against the export of separate technologies, but it should be agreed with those who make final products that such export would not harm them,” Pogosyan told the Russian business daily newspaper Kommersant on July 6.
Pogosyan fears the single-engine JF-17, which costs up to $20 million per copy, could undercut sales of the $30 million, twin-engine MiG-29 Fulcrum.
FSMTC controls and supervises military cooperation with non-Russian governments.
A senior MiG executive confirmed the sending of the letter, but would not disclose other |details.
The engines are to power the Pakistani JF-17 Thunder and the Chinese FC-1 Xiaolong (Fierce Dragon), the nearly identical aircraft developed in a joint effort by China’s Chengdu Aircraft Industries Corp. and the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC).
China plans to show two JF-17s at the Farnborough International Airshow later this month — the planes’ debut at international defense exhibitions — in hopes of drumming up export sales.
In 2005, China placed a $238 million order for 100 RD-93 engines from Chernyshyov, a Moscow-based subsidiary of the state-owned OPK Oboronprom holding company.
A contract for another 100 engines had been expected soon.
On July 6, Kommersant quoted a military industry source as saying, “The new contract with China for the sale of 100 RD-93 engines has not been signed.”
As well, China’s Guizhou Aero Engine Group is reportedly working on an alternative to the RD-93, dubbed the WS-13 Taishan.
The Russians are worried about China’s burgeoning defense aerospace industry, which is targeting markets once dominated by Soviet and Russian products.
In another demonstration of Russia’s concern over competition with China, the administration issued a July 7 tender on the state procurement website for a study on the strategy and tactics of Chinese exporters of arms and military equipment, their success and competitive advantages.
The Kremlin offers $6,500 for a research paper that will be used to prepare a report for President Dmitry Medvedev. The authors will be expected to study Russian-Chinese military and technical cooperation, including the state regulatory mechanisms, to identify factors that give Chinese exporters competitive advantages. Separately, authors of the paper should study how Chinese exporters operate in the markets that Russia traditionally considers its own.
Moreover, Russian officials say, China is doing it by intellectual theft.
At the 2009 Dubai Airshow, an official from Rosoboronexport, Russia’s state arms export agency, accused China of stealing the designs for the Su-27 (J-11B) and called China’s L-15 trainer jet a cheap copy of Russia’s Yak-130.
“Everyone in the defense industry should be concerned about the Chinese push into the market,” he said.
In China, said Dean Cheng of the Washington-based Heritage Foundation, “R&D does not stand for ‘research and development,’ but rather ‘receive and duplicate.’”
Some Chinese officials appear unconcerned over Russian complaints that China is stealing its customers.
“I hope that is the reason,” said Maj. Gen. Zhu Chenghu, director general of the Strategic Studies Department of the Chinese Army’s National Defense University.
Russia has a lot to protect. In 2009, MiG exports reached $325 million and its order portfolio now exceeds $3 billion.
Last year, the MiG-29 beat out China’s FC-1 and J-10 for a 20-fighter order from Myanmar. This year, the MiG-29 is competing against the JF-17/FC-1 for an Egyptian tender of 32 fighters. The FSMTC has already approved the re-export of RD-93 engines if China wins the Egyptian tender.:cheers:
Dmitry Vasilyev, an arms export analyst with Moscow’s Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, said the JF-17’s relatively small pricetag makes it more attractive.
“Two engines needed to equip one fighter costs about $5 million, and engines usually make up about one-quarter of the total price of a fighter,” Vasilyev said.
In fact, he said, it looks as if the Chinese government is offering the fighter for less than its production cost — “dumping” them on the world’s arms market.( wheres profit margin???)
Russia and China have already clashed in the international market over air defense missile system exports. The Russian S-300 anti-aircraft system is competing with the Chinese HQ-9 system for a three-year-old Turkish tender.
Pakistan is watching the engine dispute with concern. One observer gave even odds that Pogosyan would succeed in his efforts to block the engines.
“Russian military-industrial oligarchies are powerful and have immense say in the Russian governmental structures,” said retired Pakistan Air Force Air Commodore Kaiser Tufail.
That would hurt Pakistan’s domestic fighter program, Tufail said. Waiting for the Chinese WS-13 engine would require a whole range of test trials in different configurations and could lead to a two-year delay.
It does not help, Tufail said, that “China is not going whole hog with the JF-17 for reasons of their own.”:undecided:
China is not building the fighter for its own air service; that role will be filled by the more capable J-10 aircraft.
Wendell Minnick contributed to this report from Taipei, Usman Ansari from Islamabad and Nabi Abdullaev from Moscow.

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Filat targeting pod was developed in cooperation with Israel in the nineties and was an equivalent of Litenning 1 in terms of general performance. Later, Chinese began R&D of their own next generation pods and well as ew jammers and having a look at WMD-7, it seems to be in the league of Litenning 2 and Damocles which is really amazing considering the fact that they only began development in this arena 15 years ago. Remarkable !
 
Hkhan of pakdef.info had this to say on WMD7
"Nonetheless, WMD-7 is an advance Chinese electro-optical targeting pod or a thermal imaging and laser targeting pod . It carries physical appearance of Thales Damocles pod but has a lot of features of Russian Sapsan-E pod.

I have seen it once before but it might be the latest Chinese pod.
"

Araz
 
I was anxiously waiting to see these pods and after seeing them, i can not express my feelings in words folks. The sense of joy and achievement is profound to say the least. Hats off to China and Pakistan on this milestone. Strange but I do not see many Indian comments on these threads lately....
 
Can those pods be used on UAVs... that could be an interesting application of widely available technology.
 
You bring the sandwiches and Ill bring the tea is it then??? :azn:
How many external antenna's are there??.. leaving the two pitot tubes aside. 4?? 5??.
One is that UHF radio one we discussed, what are the others for?..
Wonder why they bought the PL-5, its a fairly old missile, and not the PL-8 or 9.

:rofl::rofl: got it right Sir, both have brought in different things from their own countries.

There seems to be 7 different kind antenna kind of stuff on the JF-17 body minus the tail. 3 pitot tubes on the nose, one communication antenna under the nose, then 3 separate antenna kind of stuff on the upper fuselage, one is the same T shaped communication antenna which we see under the nose, 2 are different, one is a small antenna while the one behind the T shaped antenna seems to be something round disc shaped, a satellite communication kind of thing may be ?? As J-10s have something like that, but little larger on their upper spine.

J-10 spine:

j10.gif


JF-17 spine:

jf17.jpg


Here see this Pt#04, you will see much more smaller antenna kind of things under the nose, this is amazing stuff, so many antennas.

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This below pic is also showing quiet a number of antennas under the nose:

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And Sir as for PL-5, well they have modified it much and newer PL-5EII is an extremely good WVR missile, so are the PL-5E & C.

Latest additions of PL-8 & 9 are pretty impressive too, but sadly not much of export orders, PL-9C is a good one, hope we have some of them in near future, much better then the PL-5Cs, the PL-5E are somewhat similar specifications, manufacturer of both missiles is same, thus most probably tech of both missiles would be nearly the same with slight changes in specifications.
 
These pics are very intriguing and need to be further examined... Chinese were working on a Third gen targeting pod similar to Sniper and work continued till 2007. It was tested on board j-8, j-10 and Su-30 mk. Wonder if Pakistan is interested in it? We are also working on our own so wait and see.
 
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