PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[iLION12345_1]

Not an entirely fair comparison. Just because a country isn’t making less capable versions doesn’t necessarily mean it isn’t selling them. US sells older block F-16s and Older model AMRAAMs despite the existence of newer models, not so different from China making export versions that share the same tech as the latest ones, even if there are “downgrades” in performance. US doesn’t sell AIM120D to just anyone, they mostly sell older AIM120C models. They don’t sell F-16V to anyone. They will instead sell Older F-16C models (Argentina comes to mind most recently), it just depends on who they’re selling to. China does the same in cases, it has given Pakistan access to some versions of its technology in the past that it wouldn’t to others, and other times it has just given Pakistan the same weapon as it would give to any other country.

Agree - and this is why Pakistan is also looking to make more stuff at home and also grow its relationship with Turkey, who seems to be far less allergic to selling full versions of its systems to Pakistan and not downgraded export variants like China does. eg akinci drones.... latest and best that Turkey has and now in Pakistan...

The question you have to ask yourself - are the AMRAAMs that the Americans have sold to the PAF - downgraded export variants or fully fledged versions? Given that they were 2 for 2 in shooting down a Suk30MKI and Mig21 - they dont seem to have been comprimised?

I think western companies tend to not create downgraded versions for export as they need their products to sell themselves based on solid performance in combat - they simply will sell to you and if they can't - it will be because their goverment wont let you - ie they wont sell to you. Also - they will not sell select weapons eg DFRM pods for Pakistan - rather create a downgraded DRFM pod to "sell you Pakistan" - etc. It is a different approach. The products are the end products for western companies and a reflection of their brand reputation - so they need to perform - esp if all they sell is that product. For China, and Russia - they are goverment organisations who dont need to turn a profit as they have guaranteed revenue streams - so for them - export sales are a bonus and not necessary for their business model - hence they are not as concerned with their reputation.

China has sold E versions of the platforms to PAF which are "downgraded versions" with "reduced' specifications as shown in their literature. Lets not make up stuff by pretending they are any more than that. As to how reduced they are - is anyones guess..

 

[mshan44]

 

[Corax]

There's currently no twin seat J-10CE model so it will be interesting to see whether the PAF induct the J-10S for pilot training or strike/special purpose/airborne command purposes. I guess the PAF can readily send pilots to China for type conversion so it may not be a need.

 

[Maarkhoor]

There's currently no twin seat J-10CE model so it will be interesting to see whether the PAF induct the J-10S for pilot training or strike/special purpose/airborne command purposes. I guess the PAF can readily send pilots to China for type conversion so it may not be a need.

As per sources training already done long back.

 

[Path-Finder]

Rupprecht: China hat wohl bis zu vier Typen von "Carrier-Killer-Raketen"

Für den Militärexperten, Andreas Rupprecht, hat sich auf chinesischen Übungsplätzen viel verändert. Es gebe neben zwei Flugzeugträgerattrappen und auch Modelle mit Sensoren und Elektronik.

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face behind the name. i was hoping to see T-Rex if am honest

 

[maverick1977]

I cant wait to see the pictures of F16 and J10C side by side.

 

[HAIDER]

Nice structural finishing.

 

[Basel]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1502565115266097155

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

"Pakistan apni sabqat ko barqarar rakhne k lie smart induction k mansobe per amal pera hai
Collaboration with friendly countries and indiginization compaign is also underway."

AIR CHEIF MARSHAL Zuheer Ahmad

 

[Ghessan]

SIZE dekh rahey ho bhai....

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PL-15/E has dual pulse propulsion ...can attain Mach 4.0 Speed and pull upto 20G....

Meteor is Mach 5.0 and pull up to 40 G

(Thanks to google)

Size matters

 

[The Terminator]

To be honest, I am one of those people. I have argued that PAF does not need J10 as it already has a working AESA, PL15 mounted possibly on Dual racks, and a host of other armaments none of whom would otherwise have been possible. However, I conceded that the rapidity with which J10 could replace the obsolete fighters could not be achieved by JFT alone. Secondly Induction of J10 now provides us another Hi platform in the hi-lo pattern in which PAF prepares for battle. Lastly, J10 has given PAF some guarantees against sanction of its premier platform F16, as well as the ease with which one could get spares and attrition replacement. We are all happy to have J10 in PAF colours. So the argument was actually not against the J10 per se, but the reasons for its induction.
A

Agree but there are some subtle differences between J-10 and JF-17.

J-10 having bigger engine and in medium weight class can support future upgrades better than the very limited real estate and engine output available on the JF-17.

In context of the aforementioned reason, J-10 can offer more operational flexibility than the JF-17.

J-10 can carry larger and heavier payloads than the JF-17, so it would probably be used as a 4++ gen nuclear ALCM delivery platform, long range bigger munitions delivery, much better deep strike capabilities, better suited for Anti-ship role, can utilize more power thirsty avionics and EW suite etc. J-10 can also be regarded as JF-17 on steroids, a bigger brother to support the JF-17 Thunder

 

[MastanKhan]

OMG - how old are you - hopefully as a teacher and not a kid!? lol !



You have to ask what changed as a decision point to finally get them then and not before ?

Hi,

The engine and the systems matured. The changes made in the aircraft met and exceeded what the Paf had requested since mid 2000.

The aesa radar became available as did the chinese engine.

 

[The Terminator]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1501515921655046145

https://twitter.com/x/status/1501516322794094594

https://twitter.com/x/status/1501516684468830208

https://twitter.com/x/status/1501517095636508674

https://twitter.com/x/status/1501517942760030213

NUST!

What makes you say so?

TAI+NUST bromance!

 

[MastanKhan]

Please stop making up this random stuff - Pakistan has purchased the export version of the J10CE with the export variants of the PL15E and PL10E - Period - end of story.

Hi,

The 'export' version of the Cobra Gunships that we got from the US in the mid 80's were more advanced than the one US army had at that time.

That was a face to face disclosure by a US army major flying that machine and the time was somewhere mid 80's in the US.

So---one must not assume the export versions are maybe of lower quality---.

Export versions are what the buyer wants.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Yup, and just as importantly for the first time in 70 years it pretty much ends the American strangle hold on the PAF....

That strangle hold already got weaken with JF17 thunder program.