PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[The Eagle]

Have we considered the possibility that Pakistan just isnt as special as some Pakistanis consider it to be and that’s while China does allow Pakistan some tech that it doesn’t allow others, it doesn’t allow everything to be bought by Pakistan? Why do you think China made an export version of the PL-15 and PL-10? To export it obviously. It’s not like they’ll allow everyone to buy the export version either, it’s sensitive enough as is. Pakistan got the export version, why? Because it’s a foreign country. I don’t see why Pakistanis have a hard time believing that.
Another thing I don’t understand is why Pakistanis think the export versions are so bad, they’re clearly still some of the best in their class. Just putting an E next to the name doesn’t make the missile worst. By that metric Why did Pakistan get J-10CE and not J-10C. Clearly the E next to the name means it’s a downgraded jet.

TLDR: Pakistan got PL-15E and PL-10E because the PLAAF versions aren’t meant for export, and Pakistan isn’t special enough to get access to them (no one is, they’re made for Chinese forces only). The fact that Pakistan is being sold J-10Cs with PL-15E and PL-10E should itself be enough to show how much China is willing to give Pakistan. It’s not that hard to grasp.

This is the most logical and likely scenario, especially considering people that deny this have no proof and are often proven to be wrong.

The export is used given the legal bindings of International Arm Sale entity. I think it has more to do with unwarranted attention and tons of propaganda coming against Pakistan China. I don't think that an OEM will transfer stock capability as it is unless, there's some kind of defence contract but that too will come on urgent basis in time of war only. Therefore, the word "Export" is apparently added and there is no objection neither the so-called rant by the neighbour before any arm control forum. Nobody is going to ask to fire a PL-15 and prove it since, it will be the enemy in the end at receiving end and wouldn't be able to speak as such. Lastly, I don't see either of parties will declare true capability of its AAM as exactly as it performs. My rough guess is that PL-15 hunts very well and with more % to kill around 180 KM. The surprise element will always be maintained and no matter what; Force is not going to share it at all. Even the induction ceremony was a symbolic presentation to show J-10Cs. No one shall speak of its true capability and why it has such a way of appreciation/regarding the platform.

 

[redtom]

Close to 8 months I would think.

Maybe 3 years.

According to some, The PAF has been evaluating J10C since 2018. I think Pakistan's concern is to avoid provoking an arms race. So it was not until India received the Rafale that it decided to formally purchase the J10C.

The exchanges between the two air forces are good for both sides, and China is interested in promoting the J10C, so it is normal for customers to test drive it in advance.

 

[Rank]

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[Readerdefence]

yaar ....Bro I know this ...

But many members after seeing the pic of J-10 armed with missiles in the ceremony are claiming the Missiles as PL-10E & PL-15E, but the issue is pic was not showing the nomenclature so it is difficult to assume they read it.

Hi HRK I think on one of the PL15 missile if possible to enhance picture it’s written E now that can be some kind of code too
thank you
ps that pic I saw was on SDF more clear

 

[HRK]

Hi HRK I think on one of the PL15 missile if possible to enhance picture it’s written E now that can be some kind of code too
thank you
ps that pic I saw was on SDF more clear

yaap jaybird shared that pic

 

[Vortex]

Could it be PL15 wearing a PL15E burkha ? I mean a real PL15 but painted as PL15E ?

 

[Shah_Deu]

Are we sure the PL15 of PLAAF has range more than 145KM?

My two cents.

Writing an 'E' with export products is intended to have a more psychological angle to it. Moreover, public information on weapon systems especially of such critical nature is not meant for give any clues away, otherwise is most probable.

I am pretty sure, the exporting nation, China in this case, wouldn't want to export its ace weapons to give away its technological prowess. Still there are some points to ponder on

1. What if the PL-15E which we got is just a standard PL-15? Who will confirm it?

2. In the worst case for China, lets consider the US or any adversary for that matter gets its hands on it and they found out its actual range to be 200km for instance, wouldn't an 'E' on the missile still imply that its original version with China has far more range? Heard of mind games?

3. If any other country buys the same 'PL-15E' from China, which is probable since it is already meant for export market, would anyone believe a 'PL-15E' version sold in future to Saudi Arabia or UAE (with US bases) would be the same one that we have got?

4. Just like a 2.8L Cummins ISF engine is available in 5 different power ratings (with no physical changes at all!) and with just a software flash on ECU, isn't the same possible for a weapon system like 'PL-15'?

Cutting it short, 'E' might just be an 'alphabet' for the pure purpose of psychological warfare. Only the party selling it i.e. the Chinese would know what they sold and the party receiving i.e. PAF of what they bought! I don't think the Indians would be eager to verify this info either while risking another public humiliation on the scale of 27. Feb. And they all lived happily ever after.

 

[YurtDefence]

this one is 2005 WS-10 documentary on it's development

Thank you!

 

[Yasser76]

The big picture here is that the supply of J-10Cs and PL-15s are (almost!) limitless. As long as we have funds and Chinese give generous terms you can really see PAF ordering batch after batch. My guess is 110 aircraft divided into 6 squadrons.

PAF looking possibly like the below in 4-5 years

200 - JF-17s
110 - J-10Cs
75 - F-16s

The J-10C can also certainly replace the Mirage in strike duties too and all F-7s will be replaced shortly. My guess is PAF will wait for TFX then replace the F-16s. Giving us a JF-17/J-10C/TFX force.

Also it may be possible we can get the PL-21 (400km range) further down the line for the J-10C. That would basically put almost all IAF aircraft in Indian Western Command within range of the J-10C the moment that take off....

 

[TNT]

As far as i know, the main difference between PL 15 and E variant is the tyoe of propellant used.

 

[Dreamer.]

So, anyone who was following PAF... in the 90s.. can you believe your eyes today? =)

Yes, why not? Getting latest chinese technology was never considered difficult.

It was getting latest F-16's i.e. Blk52 that was considered difficult back in those days. But post 9/11 we managed to squeeze a small no. of those. Should've been a lot more.

Good for us that 30 years on, chinese technology is now much closer to latest western technology.

 

[Engima Chaudhry]

the cost of a set J-10C is shipped to Paklstan:
40M US$( Rafale /240M US$)
J-10C + AESA + 4X PL-15 + 2XPL-10 + 3X auxiliary tank

According to the practice of the international arms trade, it usually takes more than a year to pick up the new aircraft after the contract is signed, and sometimes even longer.
PAF get the J-10C in short time. Good luck!

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Is it written j10cp or j10 ce?

 

[Dreamer.]

The big picture here is that the supply of J-10Cs and PL-15s are (almost!) limitless. As long as we have funds and Chinese give generous terms you can really see PAF ordering batch after batch. My guess is 110 aircraft divided into 6 squadrons.

PAF looking possibly like the below in 4-5 years

200 - JF-17s
110 - J-10Cs
75 - F-16s

The J-10C can also certainly replace the Mirage in strike duties too and all F-7s will be replaced shortly. My guess is PAF will wait for TFX then replace the F-16s. Giving us a JF-17/J-10C/TFX force.

Also it may be possible we can get the PL-21 (400km range) further down the line for the J-10C. That would basically put almost all IAF aircraft in Indian Western Command within range of the J-10C the moment that take off....

Welcome back to your list making days.

 

[Yasser76]

Yes, why not? Getting latest chinese technology was never considered difficult.

It was getting latest F-16's i.e. Blk52 that was considered difficult back in those days. But post 9/11 we managed to squeeze a small no. of those. Should've been a lot more.

Good for us that 30 years on, chinese technology is now much closer to latest western technology.

It's true, somehow PAF always seems to ensure we have access to the latest tech, be it F-104 in the 60s, Mirage V in the 70s, F-16A in the 80s, F-16 Block 52 in 2000s and now J-10C. Politics aside it seems Pakistan has always ensure we have an edge, even in small numbers.

Can be very soon that F-16s will be considered "low end" of PAF fleet!!!!

 

[Engima Chaudhry]

Someone shared a screen grab of a close up pic from the induction ceremony video yesterday that can see the missile's serial number of PL-15 E 21001001. But other then the serial number, there is no visual difference between PL-15 and PL-15E.View attachment 823427

Shorter forward fins show the missile is faster than sd 10, in flight .