PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[Areesh]

India had s-300 deployed in Kashmir along with spider.

India deployed s300???

 

[FuturePAF]

Should go for J-10C in large numbers.

Could be the plan. Stop at 50 or so block 3 for the JF-17 and start procuring more J-10s beyond that. Capping the JF-17 numbers around 180-190, and then building up the J-10 numbers to over a 100 wouldn’t be a bad plan.

For every 1 single seat fighter the PAF has approx. 2 pilots. If the PAF procures 100 J-10s, it could, in the event of hostilities, do a “Lend-Lease” and borrow a 100 J-10s from the PLAAF, to boost up its numbers for the duration of the conflict.

But this strategy is only possible if we have enough pilots, infrastructure, and planning in place, ahead of time.

 

[GumNaam]

It seems like the J10Cs have a pretty complex electronic warfare suite integrated into the entire airframe and a reduced frontal RCS as mentioned towards the latter half of this video...

 

[Chak Bamu]

the decision was taken by PMLN leadership Nawaz Shareef, not chief of Army Staff Gen RS

It was a decision by our parliament and it was the right & correct decision. Iran has done what it did & we are no longer constrained. There is a time for a correct decision. That decision was right at that time.

 

[kursed]

Why are you so defensive? You mean PAF need this bird to land at Pakistan before they really know what these J-10C can do? You mean PAF do not even know capabilities of these bird before decide to buy for them? Do you know what is called testing or test trial? I am sure PAF pilot send to evaluate J-10C are ace pilot of F-16 Blk 52 who do professional assessment of J-10C including fighter to fighter evaluation.

If these J-10C cant even beat F-16 blk 52 hands down. I doubt PAF are willing to induct these birds.

Majority of J10CP pilots are F-16 pilots. Incl those who first evaluated the aircraft.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Interesting point - the best pilots to send over would be seasoned JF17 pilots as the avionics core between the J10 series and JF17 are very similar ( JF17 is derived from the original J10A and the question is have they now re-joined up between the J10C and JF17 Block III ? ). This will help to bring the pilots up to speed quickly as the MMI/symbology will be so similar.

Just look at the J10B cockpit - you can see alot of similarities with the JF17 cockpit in the MMI/symbology concepts.

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The following is the original J10 cockpit and you can see the right hand side MFD is showing data "identically" what the JF17 Block I/II is ...

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Original JF17 Cockpit :

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Additionally - the PAF has been preparting for both the PL15 and AESA radar for some time now for the JF17 Block III - so those training pipelines have already been setup and pilots are being transitioned over and operational doctrines developed for these new platforms.

PAF is not having to learn a new aircraft like the J10C in the "same way that the IAF is having to learn the Rafale given the lineage and timelines between the lineage of the J10C and JF17 avionics" and Pakistan inputs to mature the J10B to J10C to get the plane they "want/need/understand".

The bulk of the "training of a JF17 Pilot to a J10 pilot - would centre around the kinematic performance of the aircraft and the engine on the platform", the rest of it would be known or very easy to pickup.

This is actually very good analysis. Some of the people here having beeing saying that it will take 3-4 years for PAF to get used to J10s but infact it won't be the case since J10Cs essentially are Thunders on steriods with very much similar configuration. I think experienced thunder pilot complete transition to J10C will be 1-2 years at max so as for the support staff because of commonality of ecosytem in between thunders and J10s. Had we getting any flanker than situation would had been different.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Could be the plan. Stop at 50 or so block 3 for the JF-17 and start procuring more J-10s beyond that. Capping the JF-17 numbers around 180-190, and then building up the J-10 numbers to over a 100 wouldn’t be a bad plan.

For every 1 single seat fighter the PAF has approx. 2 pilots. If the PAF procures 100 J-10s, it could, in the event of hostilities, do a “Lend-Lease” and borrow a 100 J-10s from the PLAAF, to boost up its numbers for the duration of the conflict.

But this strategy is only possible if we have enough pilots, infrastructure, and planning in place, ahead of time.

It seems the joint Sino-Pak plan is to have a PAF 100% balancing out the IAF! The USSR helped India similarly during 1971 war....

 

[GumNaam]

It seems the joint Sino-Pak plan is to have a PAF 100% balancing out the IAF! The USSR helped India similarly during 1971 war....

Agreed. seems like China's plan is to completely subdue india for multiple directions.

 

[Ghessan]

Saudi crown prince likely to visit Pakistan in March | The Express Tribune

Pakistan, sources added, is keen that Prince Mohammad bin Salman attends the Pakistan Day parade as a guest of honour on March 23

tribune.com.pk

 

[GumNaam]

Saudi crown prince likely to visit Pakistan in March | The Express Tribune

Pakistan, sources added, is keen that Prince Mohammad bin Salman attends the Pakistan Day parade as a guest of honour on March 23

tribune.com.pk

mbs is gonna a guest at the March 23rd parade?

 

[Zarvan]

mbs is gonna a guest at the March 23rd parade?

Yes work is being done to make that possible

 

[Ghessan]

mbs is gonna a guest at the March 23rd parade?

not yet confirmed as per report. still both sides working on it. although his visit is due may be they are trying to manage it on 23 march.

 

[That Guy]

Could be the plan. Stop at 50 or so block 3 for the JF-17 and start procuring more J-10s beyond that. Capping the JF-17 numbers around 180-190, and then building up the J-10 numbers to over a 100 wouldn’t be a bad plan.

For every 1 single seat fighter the PAF has approx. 2 pilots. If the PAF procures 100 J-10s, it could, in the event of hostilities, do a “Lend-Lease” and borrow a 100 J-10s from the PLAAF, to boost up its numbers for the duration of the conflict.

But this strategy is only possible if we have enough pilots, infrastructure, and planning in place, ahead of time.

PAF still has a lot of aircraft to replace, why would it ever cap at 180-190 thunders, when that's nowhere near enough to replace older fighters? Even if they got 100 more J-10s, it still wouldn't be enough.

 

[sneakerspark]

Expect a surprise from PAF on account for Swift Retort Anniversary on 27th Feb.

 

[NA71]

Expect a surprise from PAF on account for Swift Retort Anniversary on 27th Feb.

May be we bring out 2nd pilot ..yeh lo Shahzaz-ud-Din....