PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[luciferdd]

It is Childish and that user’s tone deserves it ,

and you are falling down the same train of thought that lies on “dont insult China!” Ego too.
If a F-16 wing box section specifically from behind the fuselage all the way to the tail was provided relatively intact to the Chinese.
https://i.postimg.cc/jSxthDbZ/Cutaway-GD-F-16-A.jpg

I would be disappointed if the Chinese were only capable of copying it. Smarter engineers(such as those who requested this from the third party country which had the crash) wanted to study the section at fabrication and welding technique along with any design cues - something akin to “design notes”.

As recently as 2017 - the third party was shipping off debris and parts off US weapons and equipment in Afghanistan to China for “design notes”

It was a simple solution really considering the design expertise that existed then and the success of the Su-15. The J-9 was a really forward thinking design if only the Soviets would have provided them with the R-29 engine

I remember I had told you J-10A has lots of techs that directly from Europe,that is include fabrication and welding technique you had mentioned,troll.IF you have an eye,you will find J-10A is more like the Mirage 2000 especially at wing body fusion design.As i say you know little about J-10A,you just imagine every thing,pity boy.

 

[Beast]

I remember I had told you J-10A has lots of techs that directly from Europe,that is include fabrication and welding technique you had mentioned,troll.IF you have an eye,you will find J-10A is more like the Mirage 2000 especially at wing body fusion design.As i say you know little about J-10A,you just imagine every thing,pity boy.
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And like that can be called as link?

 

[luciferdd]

And like that can be called as link?

It is not a secrect CAS had been introduced huge techs from france to R&D j-10,就当时成飞乃至中航的技术能力而言十分正常而且十分有必要，这并不丢人没有什么不好意思承认的.

 

[The Terminator]

It is Childish and that user’s tone deserves it ,

and you are falling down the same train of thought that lies on “dont insult China!” Ego too.
If a F-16 wing box section specifically from behind the fuselage all the way to the tail was provided relatively intact to the Chinese.
https://i.postimg.cc/jSxthDbZ/Cutaway-GD-F-16-A.jpg

I would be disappointed if the Chinese were only capable of copying it. Smarter engineers(such as those who requested this from the third party country which had the crash) wanted to study the section at fabrication and welding technique along with any design cues - something akin to “design notes”.

As recently as 2017 - the third party was shipping off debris and parts off US weapons and equipment in Afghanistan to China for “design notes”

It was a simple solution really considering the design expertise that existed then and the success of the Su-15. The J-9 was a really forward thinking design if only the Soviets would have provided them with the R-29 engine

Plz give some respect to that third party country and disclose it's name as a gesture of respect and acknowledgement

 

[MastanKhan]

And even if they reprimanded Israel for the transfer of knowledge and especially project management and avionics integration, the J-10 is never ever a Lavi copy or clone; this simply false statement is only used - in the same way the FC-31 is always called a F-35 clone - for political reasons, but it is not based on facts, and you know it.

As such don‘t spread again your agenda, anyone here knows how biased and arrogant you are and as long as you can piss on anyone‘s leg you don’t like its fine for you. Facts is we all know are only interesting to you as long they fit your agenda, otherwise you are twisting, lying and instulting against anyone you don‘t like.

Hi,

Poor guy---you so vehemently trying to deny the truth more so than Israel to US congress.

You always do deny it---must touch a nerve somewhere.

Maybe, but again, why introducing an old type, that is close to being retired, IMO there is no chance even if some grumpy old men still hail this type as a MUST HAVE one.

Hi,

This old man has been proven right more time than you will ever be on a defense forum regarding major purchases---.

What is you claim of fame---?

 

[SQ8]

I remember I had told you J-10A has lots of techs that directly from Europe,that is include fabrication and welding technique you had mentioned,troll.IF you have an eye,you will find J-10A is more like the Mirage 2000 especially at wing body fusion design.As i say you know little about J-10A,you just imagine every thing,pity boy.
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I said no such thing - you must be confusing me with someone else or quote the exact post.
You are still the petulant child trying to support his picture copy paste argument without even understanding what I am trying to say. Learn English and then talk to me

Hi,

Poor guy---you so vehemently trying to deny the truth more so than Israel to US congress.

You always do deny it---must touch a nerve somewhere.


Hi,

This old man has been proven right more time than you will ever be on a defense forum regarding major purchases---.

What is you claim of fame---?

Uhh…not that I disagree with you regarding the Israeli connection but Deino is a published author and quoted researcher on Chinese defense whereas who has heard of you?(or me)

No, he was debunking your baseless "China bad" malicious intent with solid arguments that you can't counter, chose to evade and worse retaliate by insulting him:

1. You assume picking up a fuselage must lead straight to copying, while it could be used for other purposes say finding weakness, finding soft spots, avoiding mistakes, or even simply scrap as garbage if no value.
2. You blatantly ignore the fundamental difference in aerodynamic structure between the two air-frames.

No need for "If", I can also show you a J-10 diagram as well, what's your argument?

My argument was clear, shall I repeat? On top of the fact that J-10A design employs a delta canard design which is entirely different from F-16, even we just focus on the fuselage, J-10A design employs a splitter plate intake (and then DSI later) while F-16 employs pitot tube intake, how does this contribute to the "links" or "copy" story?

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Studying the sections, welds or even debris and look for any design clues, even if that has happened, is an entirely different thing from design "copying", let alone the end products turn out to be completely different things. I would be disappointed if Americans or American-wannabes are only capable of faking "China copy" stories without proof or even a single argument, and worse resort to insult when lies are debunked openly.

You do realize you are actually repeated my EXACT argument in trying to defend your countryman.
Are so frothing at your mouth that you aren’t even bothering to comprehend what I just said. Which is LITERALLY the bold part.

 

[luciferdd]

I said no such thing - you must be confusing me with someone else or quote the exact post.
You are still the petulant child trying to support his picture copy paste argument without even understanding what I am trying to say. Learn English and then talk to me

Uhh…not that I disagree with you but Deino is a published author and quoted researcher on Chinese defense.

You do realize you are actually repeated my EXACT argument in trying to defend your countryman.
Are so frothing at your mouth that you aren’t even bothering to comprehend what I just said. Which is LITERALLY the bold part.

Come on we all know what you want to hint,you just don't say it directly.

 

[Mav3rick]

I am reading up on the goodies that are coming our way, the J-10s, Helo's, SAM systems etc.,

Has anyone wondered where we are going to the get the money from? All this while the Government is looking to tax more, to the point where imported infant formula is being proposed to be taxed and even donations are proposed to be taxed! Is this all Just to maintain our ego? Is this really justified?

I was also reading up on Business Recorder research report in which they tried to discover why our imports bill is rising steadily and could not substantiate import claims on extra Oil or medicine etc. Now that I am thinking of everything, is it possible that our import bill is going through the roof because of all these imports and that we are hiding the actual imports behind bogus inflated import heads? We are begging IMF, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Turkey, Malaysia and whomever else who would listen to give us aid, loan etc., and are accepting extremely tough and painful conditions and yet on the other hand we are trying to go head to head with India........do we really want to end up like USSR which tried to go head to head with the US? Why isn't anyone talking about this?

 

[SQ8]

Come on we all know what you want to hint,you just don't say it directly.

Now you’re shooting tangents and hiding behind made up accusations because your argument flopped on its face. The fact is you are so focused on defending China and looking for make believe enemies that not only could you not comprehend my posts but the funniest thing is that in defending you from the “enemy” another fellow actually repeated EXACTLY what I said - does he too want to hint what you are accusing me of?

 

[Beast]

It is not a secrect CAS had been introduced huge techs from france to R&D j-10,就当时成飞乃至中航的技术能力而言十分正常而且十分有必要，这并不丢人没有什么不好意思承认的.

It's not about 丢脸or not. The features you talk are very minor which hardly result in exchange of any study.

 

[Akatosh]

Interesting excerpt from famous British defence news service Shephard media:

The J-10C features an AESA radar and it is probably similar in capability to an F-16 Block 60 or 70. However, the J-10C is probably still not quite a match for the Rafale.

Pakistan invigorates its fighter fleet | Shephard

Pakistani social media exploded into rapture with news of JF-17 Block III and J-10C fighters joining the PAF this year.

www.shephardmedia.com

 

[luciferdd]

Now you’re shooting tangents and hiding behind made up accusations because your argument flopped on its face. The fact is you are so focused on defending China and looking for make believe enemies that not only could you not comprehend my posts but the funniest thing is that in defending you from the “enemy” another fellow actually repeated EXACTLY what I said - does he too want to hint what you are accusing me of?

OK,then what's your meaning of Sending a post about wreckages of F16 in a thread named J-10CP?What's your real point?

 

[SQ8]

Interesting excerpt from famous British defence news service Shephard media:

Pakistan invigorates its fighter fleet | Shephard

Pakistani social media exploded into rapture with news of JF-17 Block III and J-10C fighters joining the PAF this year.

www.shephardmedia.com

Yes - the world famous Shephard media, second only to BBC and CNN in being recognized worldwide!
With the famous defense author unable to discern between an interior minister’s faux pax and actual defense briefings but knows exactly what the capabilities are.

OK,then what's your meaning of Sending a post about wreckages of F16 in a thread named J-10CP?What's your real point?

Go back 3 pages - read through each response and the discussion on how the J-10 was developed back and forth along with specifically my response:

The wreckage of a F-16 of your iron ally and brother was shipped to you at your request for study into its design. Not to COPY as you are insecure about but to understand methods of manufacturing that would help China advance.
Much as an INTACT BGM-109 tomahawk that failed and landed in your iron brother’s land was shipped to you so you could study how it works and incorporate ideas into your own designs.

When the F-16 first arrived in Pakistan a visiting PLAAF general was invited to look at it. As he sat in the cockpit he took his two fingers and started measuring the heads up display which caused the US support staff to panic. Now why was one of the most senior PLAAF officer measuring the HUD of a US fighter? Was he trying to copy it? Or take the information back to your engineers ?

 

[applesauce]

Interesting excerpt from famous British defence news service Shephard media:

Pakistan invigorates its fighter fleet | Shephard

Pakistani social media exploded into rapture with news of JF-17 Block III and J-10C fighters joining the PAF this year.

www.shephardmedia.com

famous doesnt mean correct.

hell, gordon chang is pretty famous too, but we just laugh at him.

 

[Big_bud]

I think some of the "senior" and "PHD" level members should be made another forum of their own. Where they can talk to each other and just listen to themseleves on repeat. Praising their own thoughts and ideas, patting their backs for successful completion of PHDs. If you are so senior why even bother coming to a public forum? Stay away and talk with other PHDs? Why getting pissed about other members every other day? There is a kid who hasn't grown up in all of such members. A tantrum every few pages. If you can't teach and share information with others respectfully, stay away. Everyone has the right to be curious and ask questions, and ask counter questions. No one is holier than thou. Don't have patience? Don't post.

P.S. This is a general comment based on attitudes observed from some members. Pls don't quote or reply.