PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

I have always felt that DG ISPR should be a civilian employee of the defense dept. A person well versed in the science of PR and knows the value of the social media etc.
It is a terrible waste of military resources to have a person of a rank of Maj gen to be doing pr for the armed forces. Let him lead the troops, that's what he is trained to do. Besides this present ispr spokesperson is a dud.

The one where kickbacks are involved. Hope it helps.

Strangely, after operation Swift Retort, the Indians were complaining that they needed a DG ISPR level position for information dissemination and control. They felt that such a role was important in projecting single narratives around the war.

I see the merits of a civilian control over the DG ISPR, but I also think it should be left to the military to tell their story. Unless the fundamental military-civil divide in Pakistan is resolved, it is meaningless to attempt such a pivot. In fact, even after this military-civil divide is addressed, the position of DG ISPR should remain with the military. My only concern is that the DG ISPR, just like the ISI and the Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee, has turned into an army domain where the navy and Air Force have no say. Due to the evolving nature of the modern war, I think the Air Force and navy should be given their due respect. The era of vast armies rolling into enemy territory are over. Today it is about air and naval projections.

Pakistan’s understanding of the military hierarchy should also evolve. In fact, such an evolution will go a long way in resolving the military-civil divide itself, and probably help create a more professional, depoliticized and result oriented army instead of the current DHA land grabbing mafia and egotistical overlords they have now turned into.

I think PR should go under the office of the CJCSC who, in turn, builds a team of Short Service COs who come from marketing, PR, design, etc backgrounds. These guys (or gals) can be the ISPR of all three service arms. They'd work directly work with the CJCSC for information control, but maybe get a budget to develop PR material (like documentaries, video or photo assets for the news media, Hilal, etc).

I would even offer promotions to these COs if learn a key foreign language like French, Dutch, Russian, Mandarin, Arabic, Hebrew etc. This way, the ISPR can get its message out directly to international news media, perhaps even answer questions or offer statements directly in the languages of those outlets. Once these COs are done with ISPR, I'm sure the Foreign Ministry and intelligence departments would find these multi-lingual professionals useful. From there, set these people up for professor or teaching posts in Western universities so that they convey Pak's narrative to the next generation of American, British, French, etc political science and business students.

 

[SQ8]

How about three-engines ?

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PN should form its Naval Fighter school first and compete with PAF for Top Gun.

Sorry - there can only be one turbokat and the PAF will never tolerate independent thinking pilots/engineers like T-bone & razor

 

[Shotgunner51]

Haaretz published an article about J10C being Israeli technology based on their Lavi combat aircraft which was scrapped under American pressure in mid 1980s.

Does anyone else here know more details?

Article reference: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ha...d-on-scrapped-israeli-lavi-fighter-1.10510613

That's pure western BS as usual, not a single screw from so-called Israeli "tech" not even the design. J-10's predecessor is J-9, which was CAC's bid for PLAAF's next gen fighter during late 1960's (the bid was later won by opponent J-8 of SAC). There are several variants of J-9, including one with air intake under fuselage like J-10. Look at the timeline, J-9 appeared way before Lavi even hit the drawing board, who is copying whom? Did Chinese time travel back to the future and "copy", or the other way round?

J-9 variant VI-II

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

That's pure western BS, not a single screw from so-called Israel "tech" not even the design. J-10's predecessor is J-9, which was CAC's bid for PLAAF's next gen fighter during late 1960's (the bid was later won by opponent J-8 of SAC). There are several variants of J-9, including one with air intake under fuselage like J-10. J-9 appeared way before Lavi even hit the drawing board, who is copy whom?

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J-9 variant VI-II

Folks have a poor habit of drawing parallels between similar Eastern and Western designs. If the J-10 was dual-engine, folks would say, "oh, the Chinese must have stolen plans of the Typhoon" or "France helped China." IMO it's a trait of politicians and media talking heads, but real analysts know that the J-10 is an original program.

 

[SQ8]

Folks have a poor habit of drawing parallels between similar Eastern and Western designs. If the J-10 was dual-engine, folks would say, "oh, the Chinese must have stolen plans of the Typhoon" or "France helped China." IMO it's a trait of politicians and media talking heads, but real analysts know that the J-10 is an original program.

That being said - certain fuselage sections of a written off F-16 from some country did end up in China.

 

[Aesterix]

#DGISPR just called induction of J-10 C as "nothing special" but a routine matter.
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Post a link to the video please

 

[Shotgunner51]

Folks have a poor habit of drawing parallels between similar Eastern and Western designs. If the J-10 was dual-engine, folks would say, "oh, the Chinese must have stolen plans of the Typhoon" or "France helped China." IMO it's a trait of politicians and media talking heads, but real analysts know that the J-10 is an original program.

West always will behave as west.

In fact delta canard (close-coupled canard) was already flying on J-9 prototype in late 1960's when Typhoon or Rafale didn't even exist, wonder why the west never mention this? But that's also the major reason why it failed PLAAF's bid. PLAAF was not convinced that supply chain can support this at-the-time too futuristic or "aggressive" aerodynamic design, say flight control, advanced materials, hi-thrust engine (single hi-thrust) etc., hence went to a safer bet aka SAC J-8 which employs conventional areodynamic and twin medium-thrust.

With supply chain getting advanced/matured nowadays, successor of J-9 (aka J-10) ultimately become the primary of medium multi-role in PLAAF, while the outgoing J-8 (variant F) are all repurposed as hi-speed recon jets.

 

[Aesterix]

That being said - certain fuselage sections of a written off F-16 from some country did end up in China.

I wonder which country was that. Gabon I guess?

 

[Trailer23]

Even for the MKI, we were only able to bring it up after we started producing many of those spares locally. As for IN opting the F-18, that's an unlikely possibility and is all speculation since we're well aware of the issues pak or turks have faced if we're not in the good graces of Uncle Sam

I more or less said the exact same earlier today...

There is higher chances of getting the Pope to take a P!ss Test than India landing F-18's - this late in the game. They've already set their mind on the Rafales for Naval Role.

One advantage India has had over Pakistan is that they've had decades of understanding the US & their End-User Agreements. I doubt they will ever go for any combat-related inventory. As much as the US is trying to woo India because of their Economy & counter China, there are voices coming out against India at Capitol Hill. Modi's recent trip wasn't as successful as his previous one. Both Biden & Kamela didi made statements which weren't well received.

C-17, C-130's, Chinooks, P-8 etc. is as far as they'll go and it might be the closest thing to Military equipment they'd get from US, but beyond that - they'll seek Russia or presently, Europe/France.

 

[Goenitz]

I would even offer promotions to these COs if learn a key foreign language like French, Dutch, Russian, Mandarin, Arabic, Hebrew etc.

Arabic is mos important in that case to put our influence in public. However, there should be a dedicated department for languages in that. ISPR should focus its main thing which is narrative. Let the technical things be outsourced.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

That being said - certain fuselage sections of a written off F-16 from some country did end up in China.

Was about to write the same. That certain country got in a lot of trouble because of that.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Was about to write the same. That certain country got in a lot of trouble because of that.

What did that certain country get in return from China... other than trouble from the US?

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Ispr has never announced Navy and PAF procurements in the past as well. Correct me if I am wrong. Spokesperson is not authorized to give clear cut confirmation though in his press conference, he very much said yes to J10s.

 

[Aesterix]

Was about to write the same. That certain country got in a lot of trouble because of that.

Yes,
Try weibo and see the Chinese bragging about how rich they are and how they are "Giving out J-10c " to a bigger Pakistan.
Whatever happened to Chinese young generation.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

What did that certain country get in return from China... other than trouble from the US?

I guess, long term strategic investment? Short term pains for long term gains?