PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[PakFactor]

Not that I know for sure but at least it is one of those lacking the datalink antenna as such I think it is safe to say it is a CP ... and it seems to be a HMCS(HMD?!

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PAF will install its own datalink?

 

[iLION12345_1]

PAF will install its own datalink?

Yes, Link-17.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Don't forget that most of the Chinese jet fighters are copies of Soviet and Russian models.

You underestimate Dassault and France. The Rafale is one of the best jet fighters out there in the hands of a good Air Force.

I'll say it again,in the hands of a good Air Force. What did the IAF do with their Su-30s? Nothing. They blamed it as being a bad aircraft.

J10 is copy of which Soviet/Russian jet?

Does France/Dassault got 5th gen fighters in service? We all know J10 borrowed technology from China 5th gen platforms, like the J20. I would go on to say that even Eurofighter do not have such exposure.

At the end of the day, you are comparing a product from a developed nation to one from a super power.

A good air force/pilots is another debate.

 

[Riz]

Not that I know for sure but at least it is one of those lacking the datalink antenna as such I think it is safe to say it is a CP ... and it seems to be a HMCS(HMD?!

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One antenna and flight formation light , two things are the difference between J-10c and J-10cp

 

[Readerdefence]

Hi we Pakistani still delusional about what we got back in 1980s in shape of F16 or cobras or to some extent stingers (which been unofficially nicked from credit line of taliban) those were the days when USA is like a head less chicken after ussr and due to Afghan war usa want to settle the vietnam era casualties beside chance of stopping RED bear first time infact make bear to revert back as after world war USSR never been retrieved whoever they invade physically
so at that time F16 isnt a big deal to get if all experienced member remember even f16 been given little late to tackle Afghan airforce in shape of Russian airforce
so when communist or ussr comes in front of Americans they don’t even listen to their near and dear Israel
but now things have changed until unless Pakistan rise against China USA does not need Pakistani help
so even if GOP ready to pay USA to get something that something will come not later then until india have something better or been bought from usa
Rest assured GOP doesn’t have enough fund to pay to China to develop some5hing earlier then Chinese do themselves that’s the reason PAF is not seeing any J31/35 at the moment
the moment Chinese navy operationalise their better carrier to have stealth on it Pakistan will get it automatically
thank you

 

[Trailer23]

Not that I know for sure but at least it is one of those lacking the datalink antenna as such I think it is safe to say it is a CP ... and it seems to be a HMCS(HMD?!

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Could be this one. Took these pics at the CATIC pavilion during the DxB Air Show last year.

 

[Riz]

J-10CP

J-10C

 

[Foinikas]

J10 is copy of which Soviet/Russian jet?

Does France/Dassault got 5th gen fighters in service? We all know J10 borrowed technology from China 5th gen platforms, like the J20. I would go on to say that even Eurofighter do not have such exposure.

At the end of the day, you are comparing a product from a developed nation to one from a super power.

A good air force/pilots is another debate.

I said most Chinese jet fighters are copies of Soviet and Russian models.

The J-10 is rumored to have been inspired by the Lavi. I don't know if that's true or not and I don't care.

In the hands of the Pakistani Air Force it can be a very good aircraft.

But don't you tell me that just because Chinese is a superpower,they can make super amazing jet fighters and that France can't. Yes France doesn't have a 5th generation fighter,but the Rafale has features that make it similar to a stealth fighter.

I mean,France is a big tech power too. You might hate the French like most of the other Pakistanis here,but you must acknowledge that they have been a big name in aviation and military technology too. What are we talking about here? That because the Chinese have made a 5th generation jet fighter,they are superior? Who tells me that it's as good as the F-22 or the F-35? Even the Su-57 didn't sell as much as the Russians wanted.

In all fairness he probably shot down like 20 F-104s and 30 J-6s each time he was downed, all without firing a shot too.

But that's the thing,he wasn't shot down. The Indians kept saying they shot down the Pakistani pilots again and again

 

[TheSolution]

I said most Chinese jet fighters are copies of Soviet and Russian models.

The J-10 is rumored to have been inspired by the Lavi. I don't know if that's true or not and I don't care.

In the hands of the Pakistani Air Force it can be a very good aircraft.

But don't you tell me that just because Chinese is a superpower,they can make super amazing jet fighters and that France can't. Yes France doesn't have a 5th generation fighter,but the Rafale has features that make it similar to a stealth fighter.

I mean,France is a big tech power too. You might hate the French like most of the other Pakistanis here,but you must acknowledge that they have been a big name in aviation and military technology too. What are we talking about here? That because the Chinese have made a 5th generation jet fighter,they are superior? Who tells me that it's as good as the F-22 or the F-35? Even the Su-57 didn't sell as much as the Russians wanted.


But that's the thing,he wasn't shot down. The Indians kept saying they shot down the Pakistani pilots again and again

I agree with you but I don't think the technological gap is much, it will come down to tactics and skill.

Also China is progressing much faster, they can upgrade the J-10 at a faster pace with newer technologies that will easily outclass the Rafale, they have 5th generations in service and likely working on 6th.

Overall I think for Pakistan the J-10 was always the better choice even if we had access to something like the Rafale. We aren't just getting current tech, but future upgrades, and with China that's a massive boost.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Wow not only since it is the first image of a Batch 07 J-10C, but also since it confirms indeed that the J-10CPs for Pakistan are Batch 07!

And this is already the 20th J-10C within the 7th Batch.

(Image via liming1995/SDF)

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So many were produced even during the pandemic, yet no photographs were leaked or even spotted from satellite imagery.

Unless the ones that were seen on tarmac last year belonging to PLAAF, were actually these.

 

[ghazi52]

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

28 guests hmmm

 

[TheSolution]

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Could be different sides

 

[Foinikas]

I agree with you but I don't think the technological gap is much, it will come down to tactics and skill.

Also China is progressing much faster, they can upgrade the J-10 at a faster pace with newer technologies that will easily outclass the Rafale, they have 5th generations in service and likely working on 6th.

Overall I think for Pakistan the J-10 was always the better choice even if we had access to something like the Rafale. We aren't just getting current tech, but future upgrades, and with China that's a massive boost.

Well if the Americans won't sell you F-15s or F-35s and the French won't sell you Rafale and the Russians won't sell you Su-35s...you might as well go for the J-10. It's a good addition to Pakistan's Air Force.

 

[cssniper]

I said most Chinese jet fighters are copies of Soviet and Russian models.

The J-10 is rumored to have been inspired by the Lavi. I don't know if that's true or not and I don't care.

In the hands of the Pakistani Air Force it can be a very good aircraft.

But don't you tell me that just because Chinese is a superpower,they can make super amazing jet fighters and that France can't. Yes France doesn't have a 5th generation fighter,but the Rafale has features that make it similar to a stealth fighter.

I mean,France is a big tech power too. You might hate the French like most of the other Pakistanis here,but you must acknowledge that they have been a big name in aviation and military technology too. What are we talking about here? That because the Chinese have made a 5th generation jet fighter,they are superior? Who tells me that it's as good as the F-22 or the F-35? Even the Su-57 didn't sell as much as the Russians wanted.

The Indians think their Rafales could confront J-20, so you agree with them.
Anyway goodluck to you, the Turks are kicked out of F-35 program,so you Greeks don't need to face F-35 with these "superior" Rafales.