PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[Trailer23]

One is from Europe then off course we have USA. Then one country on our really north is also there.

So, by Europe you're pointing at EuroFighter Typhoon.

Country in the North is Russia.

And finally, you said USA.

Europe (EuroFighter Typhoon): Which Tranche are you targeting? Can you (Pakistan) even afford the cost of its maintenance when European nations are giving up on them & putting them in storage. Its no surprise they are trying to shove them down the throats of countries like Indonesia (who passed on the offer) & now Bangladesh. There is a term for people like that. SUCKERS!

Russia: Have you found the hack of how you're gonna bypass CAATSA? If so, we're all ears.

USA (F-16): The fact that you're getting J-10's today is a clear indication that F-16's were never on the table. They could have been - depending on us bending over and being the US's b!tch for another a few decades.

That being said, I won't let it by me that Pakistan didn't try on a number of occasions - whenever they had a chance. But in the end, when it comes to the US - its all about "What are you willing to do for us?", followed by "Here's a list."

 

[The Eagle]

Any one expecting anything from US, plz first stop getting black list in next meeting of FATF

Not related and no black list at all. Only Indians can pray & wish till then. I don't know who told you that Pakistan is getting blacklist. Honestly, I only read political foul mouths & cheap propagandists doing so merely in PTI rivalry ( I don't mind for domestic consumption) but shaming us all before the world.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

If Israeli lobby would have been able to stop it we won't have gotten F-16 in 80s. We would get weapons which we want as long as we have money INSHALLAH

Even Zion supplied weapons for the Mujahideen in the 1980s.

Pakistan was provided those F-16s back then purely for defence against the Soviet Union. But the Soviet empire didn't last long, hence, a few years after the initial acquisition, further F-16 sales were quickly blocked.

 

[serenity]

We ate getting the su 35 from China, I think 28 is the no.

This would be an interesting sale but China has 24 Su-35 not 28!

Those 24 were also relatively forced due to friendly state of affairs and warming relations between Russia and China back in around 2015 times when China did try to pull out of the Su-35 deal which was considered and informally agreed between the two around 2010.

Su-35 being the hedge bet against J-11D program and J-20. J-20 became more successful than anticipated and the only one to take over the top tier in PLAAF out of the three paths - J-11D, Su-35, J-20.

J-16 was multirole and while it is better than both Su-35 and J-11D (even if the program finished as it was able) the J-16 is not air superiority focused as J-11D program is.

It was too diplomatically difficult around 2015 for China to renege on the Su-35 agreement with Russia and both discussed a compromise, a very small batch purchase as a gesture. Something Chinese agreed to happily because even though it spends money, at least those Su-35 are useful as even some small means of giving more work to adversary mission planning and strategic planning, it also offered China an insight into the best Russia could offer for 4.5 gen fighter. It is far superior in electronics and performance to Su-30MKI of India's and still working on the same basis of both radar, electronics, weapons, and kinematic performance, only far better in all those domains than the Su-30MKI. For example, their TVC performance and basis is very similar but with Su-35 being slightly better.

So lessons learned, aircraft and its abilities totally evaluated, mission planning distractions for Japanese and others used, it really is not that useful anymore. I think most Chinese military observers and decision making groups would love to sell them to Pakistan if such a sale has a path.

These fighters are not cheap, they are also very expensive to maintain and keep operational. Pakistan would have to go to Russia for parts and services since the engine is 117S and TVC is prone to needing more maintenance. Is it worth it for Pakistan? I'm sure China would be very happy to offload Su-35 but will Pakistan want to pay a fair price for them? I do not think it is in Pakistan's interest to have a small fleet of 24 Su-35 which are going to be extremely complicated for maintenance to keep operationally ready. Pakistan will have to negotiate with Russia and while Russia will not really care if they are sold to Pakistan, will they not care when India pressures them and buys their favor to keep parts delivery and service as slow as possible?

 

[Zarvan]

So, by Europe you're pointing at EuroFighter Typhoon.

Country in the North is Russia.

And finally, you said USA.

Europe (EuroFighter Typhoon): Which Tranche are you targeting? Can you (Pakistan) even afford the cost of its maintenance when European nations are giving up on them & putting them in storage. Its no surprise they are trying to shove them down the throats of countries like Indonesia (who passed on the offer) & now Bangladesh. There is a term for people like that. SUCKERS!

Russia: Have you found the hack of how you're gonna bypass CAATSA? If so, we're all ears.

USA (F-16): The fact that you're getting J-10's today is a clear indication that F-16's were never on the table. They could have been - depending on us bending over and being the US's b!tch for another a few decades.

That being said, I won't let it by me that Pakistan didn't try on a number of occasions - whenever they had a chance. But in the end, when it comes to the US - its all about "What are you willing to do for us?", followed by "Here's a list."

How many times you people are going to ask that we can afford this or we can afford that ? We as of now have Type 54 A on order, 8 subs on order, Milgem on order, VT 4 on order, JF-17 BLOCK III in production, J-10 C on order. MRL on order Artillery on order, Drones on order. Should I continue. O bhai just relax and let boys do the work and make the deal and trust me deals are taking place talks are ongoing lot of toys will come. @Pakistan Space Agency

 

[Reichmarshal]

This would be an interesting sale but China has 24 Su-35 not 28!

Those 24 were also relatively forced due to friendly state of affairs and warming relations between Russia and China back in around 2015 times when China did try to pull out of the Su-35 deal which was considered and informally agreed between the two around 2010.

Su-35 being the hedge bet against J-11D program and J-20. J-20 became more successful than anticipated and the only one to take over the top tier in PLAAF out of the three paths - J-11D, Su-35, J-20.

J-16 was multirole and while it is better than both Su-35 and J-11D (even if the program finished as it was able) the J-16 is not air superiority focused as J-11D program is.

It was too diplomatically difficult around 2015 for China to renege on the Su-35 agreement with Russia and both discussed a compromise, a very small batch purchase as a gesture. Something Chinese agreed to happily because even though it spends money, at least those Su-35 are useful as even some small means of giving more work to adversary mission planning and strategic planning, it also offered China an insight into the best Russia could offer for 4.5 gen fighter. It is far superior in electronics and performance to Su-30MKI of India's and still working on the same basis of both radar, electronics, weapons, and kinematic performance, only far better in all those domains than the Su-30MKI. For example, their TVC performance and basis is very similar but with Su-35 being slightly better.

So lessons learned, aircraft and its abilities totally evaluated, mission planning distractions for Japanese and others used, it really is not that useful anymore. I think most Chinese military observers and decision making groups would love to sell them to Pakistan if such a sale has a path.

These fighters are not cheap, they are also very expensive to maintain and keep operational. Pakistan would have to go to Russia for parts and services since the engine is 117S and TVC is prone to needing more maintenance. Is it worth it for Pakistan? I'm sure China would be very happy to offload Su-35 but will Pakistan want to pay a fair price for them? I do not think it is in Pakistan's interest to have a small fleet of 24 Su-35 which are going to be extremely complicated for maintenance to keep operationally ready. Pakistan will have to negotiate with Russia and while Russia will not really care if they are sold to Pakistan, will they not care when India pressures them and buys their favor to keep parts delivery and service as slow as possible?

Thank u for correcting me

 

[Trailer23]

How many times you people are going to ask that we can afford this or we can afford that ? We as of now have Type 54 A on order, 8 subs on order, Milgem on order, VT 4 on order, JF-17 BLOCK III in production, J-10 C on order. MRL on order Artillery on order, Drones on order.

Bhai, I can go out today & buy myself the all new INFINITI QX50.

There's only one problem. With the increasing fuel prices, parts & maintenance - i'd be filing for bankruptcy by the end of the year.

For a country like Pakistan, EuroFighters are suicide.

And your above statement only covers the EuroFighter, but you didn't respond for Russia OR the US.

 

[ozranger]

Did you read the reply?

I did. The reply obviously came from someone with zero capability of logical thinking. Given that I quoted huge difference in numbers and materials of those T/R modules on those 2 aircrafts in comparison, this low IQ person still argued on spacing within nose and cooling without giving any concrete evidence.

Remember I was referencing all open source specs in that thread.

If your brain still cannot cope with that, let me show you the figures again,

JF-17 Block 3: KLJ-7A, over 1000 GaN T/R modules
Rafale: RBE2-AA 838 GaAs T/R modules

Number of T/R modules: JF-17 Block 3 > Rafale

Spec of each T/R module (power output vs temperature): JF-17 Block 3 > Rafale

Tell me, why would I still need to argue about spacing in the nose or cooling mechanism?

In a BVR fight Rafale will be shot down straight like a burning bird by JF-17 Block 3.

I don't need to take low IQ people seriously. I sincerely hope they can stay on their moronic status ever, forever.

 

[Zarvan]

Bhai, I can go out today & buy myself the all new INFINITI QX50.

There's only one problem. With the increasing fuel prices, parts & maintenance - i'd be filing for bankruptcy by the end of the year.

For a country like Pakistan, EuroFighters are suicide.

And your above statement only covers the EuroFighter, but you didn't respond for Russia OR the US.

People who are in power talking deals are not dumb they see everything and if they still let's suppose discussing EF or F-16 Block 72 or something else then they consider it fully viable and not suicide. So just relax and ready to celebrate when they INSHALLAH brake the news.

 

[NA71]

Sohail Bhai tweeting ...... breaking tweet:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1494236662444040192

i dont know is it Pak or China Base

 

[FuturePAF]

So, by Europe you're pointing at EuroFighter Typhoon.

Country in the North is Russia.

And finally, you said USA.

Europe (EuroFighter Typhoon): Which Tranche are you targeting? Can you (Pakistan) even afford the cost of its maintenance when European nations are giving up on them & putting them in storage. Its no surprise they are trying to shove them down the throats of countries like Indonesia (who passed on the offer) & now Bangladesh. There is a term for people like that. SUCKERS!

Russia: Have you found the hack of how you're gonna bypass CAATSA? If so, we're all ears.

USA (F-16): The fact that you're getting J-10's today is a clear indication that F-16's were never on the table. They could have been - depending on us bending over and being the US's b!tch for another a few decades.

That being said, I won't let it by me that Pakistan didn't try on a number of occasions - whenever they had a chance. But in the end, when it comes to the US - its all about "What are you willing to do for us?", followed by "Here's a list."

The lost opportunity was for the US. Pakistan procured what it needed to maintain parity with India, and the US gave up the leverage the F-16 afforded it. Now that Pakistan has bite the bullet and gone for the J-10, and the ability for Pakistan to procure more J-10 on a “Lend/Lease” basis from China during heightened tensions, it will be less dependent on the F-16 if there are spares/maintenance restrictions imposed in the event of a future conflict.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Those are done deals but no those are not BUT.

You are repeating the same thing like parrot without any solid information. How do you know HD-1(series) of weapons and/or a Y-9 EW platform is a done deal as pointed out by @kursed ? Though we are most likely to get them as well but unlike J10C, there hasn't been any claims from anyone out here on pdf (the one's who knows a little more).

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

... PAF will maintain the edge, the first see and first shoot capability by all means. Whether short term or long term; the ladder remains with Pakistan. ...

26/02/2019: India attacked, Pakistan could not defend.
27/02/2019: Pakistan attacked, India could not defend.

Both attackers seemed to have the same edge?

How many times you people are going to ask that we can afford this or we can afford that ? We as of now have Type 54 A on order, 8 subs on order, Milgem on order, VT 4 on order, JF-17 BLOCK III in production, J-10 C on order. MRL on order Artillery on order, Drones on order. Should I continue. O bhai just relax and let boys do the work and make the deal and trust me deals are taking place talks are ongoing lot of toys will come. @Pakistan Space Agency

I have never believed that finance is a problem for Pakistan acquiring critical military technology.

When Pakistan wanted the atomic bomb, ballistic missiles and other critical military items for the defence of the nation, Pakistan has never compromised, not even under sanctions.

And, since everyone is on the discussion of Pakistan's financial health, people must realise that since 18 September 2018, the incumbent Government has passed 4 federal budgets totalling $188.63 billion. So relax.

 

[The Eagle]

Both attackers seemed to have the same edge?

Thanks for the post. I got it all.

 

[Zarvan]

You are repeating the same thing like parrot without any solid information. How do you know HD-1(series) of weapons and/or a Y-9 EW platform is a done deal as pointed out by @kursed ? Though we are most likely to get them as well but unlike J10C, there hasn't been any claims from anyone out here on pdf (the one's who knows a little more).

Just wait and watch. All will be revealed in next days and months and years. Next few days and months and years you would get one news after another. ALLAH is being merciful just wait and you would hear about it. Also EW planes more will come from Europe then China.