PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[The Eagle]

I bet there will be at least 5+ threads when the jets land

ahahha... I understand that. But we will merge all with an OP having quality based start of discussion, some points about Jet, some points about its possible role in PAF, some points regarding weaponry, some history in regard to PAF deal to purchase etc.... actually an interesting OP with induction ceremony will make it a good thread. I will close the rest of or merge them into one "Pakistan Air Force J-20 Discussion".

 

[Trailer23]

We have several other options.

Sorry, i'm not getting in on F-16 band-wagon just yet.

But care to tell us what these several options are. Lets leave out China that to my opinion is our ONLY option.

Case in point: J-10C/E

PAF currently holds around 80 F-16's

We have 75.

Considering the wait list of orders on F16s, when are the deliveries expected? 2028?

2022 - First off the Assembly Line.
2023 - Flight Testing
2024 - Delivery begins for Launch Customer (Bahrain)

08 - Bulgaria
12 - Jordan (order placed earlier this month)
14 - Slovakia
16 - Bahrain
24 - Morocco
66 - Taiwan

You round that figure & its a 140 Jets on order without a single one produced (so far). If the Delivery starts in 2024 (as reported by Aviation Week), Lockheed Martin would have to produce 35 a year for all of them to be delivered by 2028. Not gonna happen.
@Hodor @Raider 21

 

[maverick1977]

Get J10C and then Replace F16s by the end of Decade with Project Azm Stealth Aircraft. No need to Upgrade F16s, divert funds of $3Bill on Project Azm and get a 5th Gen aircraft at $60-70M a piece.

Say good buy to F16 upgrades, nothing like independence in weapons systems.

 

[The Eagle]

AM didn't discuss about J-10 for the fact of its capability remains secret. A machine to compete in modern day warfare of its class and come out superior in its role. Undoubtedly, J-10C is not that simply a fighter jet to be treated as such. I wouldn't be surprised that nothing of its capabilities will remain untold same as like JF-17 Block-III. At-least, it should be told at all.

 

[The Eagle]

conventional capabilities

limited politically motivated skirmish

As far as I have been reading India; it is my personal assessment in nutshell that Indians don't even think or compare both the circumstances at all when it is about achieving their goals. I mean, when it comes to achieve their political goals and boast the electoral process for BJP Victory; empty skulls don't even know what is a conventional capability and what could mean by a military skirmish at all. However, their defence/Military personnel do know the outcome but since a decade they too have become the election campaigners under Modi regime. The religious hate, personal greed, the so much of caste superiority, the brahmin mindset and all the falsified glorification have made them like a perfect couple to burn this region.

For Pakistan, I think we will have to keep building the defence walls since we are living with a crazy neighbour that solely believes in his caste superiority being inspired by Nazi movement.

 

[SQ8]

If that turn out to be true, I will personally drive from SC to where you live to give you Asr-e-Shereen Mithai box, with a large box of Rees and a live size Teddy bear with Heart.

Well
The problem is if it never happens was it true or not?

Any chance of it being paid via blocked CSF? Going how even Afghan reserves were split, it looks impossible.

The issue is no longer funds but congressional approvals.

 

[untitled]

Get J10C and then Replace F16s by the end of Decade with Project Azm Stealth Aircraft

I think PAF's first goal is to replace the Mirages by the end of this decade

 

[PanzerKiel]

Several J10s have already been detailed and will shortly surface (maybe if anyone is able to take a pic) on Wild Weasel role.

 

[SQ8]

All discussions down with the newly announced Indo-Pacific strategy of US. No mention of Pakistan.

That is why it will likely not be pushed anymore.

 

[Reichmarshal]

We are getting the su 35 from China, I think 24 is the no.

 

[The Eagle]

Well
The problem is if it never happens was it true or not?


The issue is no longer funds but congressional approvals.

I will always remember some of lousy mouths shooting it all publicly way before time, if something being told by a good friend; providing an opportunity to saffron grieving souls in D.C to prepare for counter lobbying in advance. I wish, such people and their so-called good friends/uncle/brother/father/ leaking anything could be dealt and done for the sake of National Interest.

 

[SQ8]

Several J10s have already been detailed and will shortly surface (maybe if anyone is able to take a pic) on Wild Weasel role.

Must be a very good RHAWS kit.
Would be cooler if they have figured out how to fit both a PL-15 and the Arm on the same dual ejector.

 

[Ghessan]

AM didn't discuss about J-10 for the fact of its capability remains secret. A machine to compete in modern day warfare of its class and come out superior in its role. Undoubtedly, J-10C is not that simply a fighter jet to be treated as such. I wouldn't be surprised that nothing of its capabilities will remain untold same as like JF-17 Block-III. At-least, it should be told at all.

what are those "smart inductions" he mentioned being short term solutions?

besides i found him more open and detailed on subject under discussion than other AVMs or AMs. good to hear long term planning as he detailed on enhancement of air power and capabilities, technological advancement in aviation and aerospace on a more serious note now leading to indigenization. Even training curriculum is under review then cyber space.

 

[Zarvan]

Sorry, i'm not getting in on F-16 band-wagon just yet.

But care to tell us what these several options are. Lets leave out China that to my opinion is our ONLY option.

Case in point: J-10C/E

We have 75.

2022 - First off the Assembly Line.
2023 - Flight Testing
2024 - Delivery begins for Launch Customer (Bahrain)

08 - Bulgaria
12 - Jordan (order placed earlier this month)
14 - Slovakia
16 - Bahrain
24 - Morocco
66 - Taiwan

You round that figure & its a 140 Jets on order without a single one produced (so far). If the Delivery starts in 2024 (as reported by Aviation Week), Lockheed Martin would have to produce 35 a year for all of them to be delivered by 2028. Not gonna happen.
@Hodor @Raider 21

One is from Europe then off course we have USA. Then one country on our really north is also there. Lot of things are in play just wait and watch. Lot of systems are in and more will come. Like I said INSHALLAH in next one decade or two you won't have time to relax you would be hearing about one weapon system after another for all three forces.

 

[The Eagle]

what are those "smart inductions" he mentioned being short term solutions?

besides i found him more open and detailed on subject under discussion than other AVMs or AMs. good to hear long term planning as he detailed on enhancement of air power and capabilities, technological advancement in aviation and aerospace on a more serious note now leading to indigenization. Even training curriculum is under review then cyber space.

Smart induction are the solutions like weapons that you have without replacing existing platform or even burdening your budget allocations, to deal with threat in a manner where you still keep the edge over your adversary. AWC is playing a very key role in this regard. Induction term cannot be treated here for the Fighter Jet alone. Secondly, you are overhauling or upgrading your current fleet and after test validations; Air Force has the hand over it.

Similarly, these might looks like short term solutions but it carries a bigger impact in regard to future and long term planning. As we used to say before that any tech being incorporated on Block-III will somehow pave way for the 5th Gen advancements like existing platform provides you enough room and opportunity to test, validate, improve and incorporate. For example, Block-III has its advance HUD & couple of more techs that are directly benefitting J-20 as well.

Thirdly, you are inducting J-10C whereby, NGF for PAF is a long distance shot. Till that time & period; one cannot compromise over defence requirement under threat assessment and risking to be left behind by the enemy in particular area. PAF will maintain the edge, the first see and first shoot capability by all means. Whether short term or long term; the ladder remains with Pakistan. These short term smart inductions are actually going to impact & play a bigger role in long term and future of PAF. Till induction of yet another advance platform be it 4.5++ or an NGF replacing fleet of F-16s; Pakistan cannot afford to wait & be vulnerable.