PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[CodeforFood]

Again, could you please explain why you seem to be so sure, they will come again with Russian AL-31FN engines? From all we know since mid-2019 not a single J-10C was again built with Russian engines and now you suggest, Pakistan will again use the older less reliable standard. Also, if they are to be delivered soon, why haven't we seen any of them?

I just see no logic behind returning back to the Russian engine.



Nope. it mens that claim was wrong too as the claim it will use AL-31FN:

Anyway, let's wait ... in a few weeks we'll know,

Would 'us getting older j10s that has Russian engine" satisfy that logic?

 

[CodeforFood]

Nope. Flankers will never appear in any Pakistani military branch's service.

And Chinese will never sell them.

My guess is that if it's a fighter he's talking about, then it's a naval version of a single engine fighter jet, as the PN is the only other branch that uses fighter jets.

could also be something high endurance under water. I am just speculating now . I need to be restrained... Unlike Mr. Taimi Khan I say less because I don't know much not because I know

 

[Waiting]

For 2023-24, keep in mind J 20

 

[White and Green with M/S]

For 2023-24, keep in mind J 20

What forget j20 dude for Pakistan why you guys always repeatedly same crap again and again j20 has a export ban by China
And not every military technology is available for Pakistan from China lol

 

[SQ8]

For 2023-24, keep in mind J 20

Will not be released to Pakistan - there is another option for Pakistan available through China besides FC-31 and J-20 but will require complete alignment to Chengdu.

 

[MultaniGuy]

What forget j20 dude for Pakistan why you guys always repeatedly same crap again and again j20 has a export ban by China
And not every military technology is available for Pakistan from China lol

Unless of course Pakistan makes special concessions to China.

Whether in Economics (business contracts) or in Diplomacy ( standing up for China in OIC), or some other concessions.
But we need to improve our economy, so we can do more things.

 

[Bilal.]

Will not be released to Pakistan - there is another option for Pakistan available through China besides FC-31 and J-20 but will require complete alignment to Chengdu.

That single engine J20-lite that has been rumored on and off?

 

[TaimiKhan]

I fully agree wits what you said, we need to wait, but since you asked for an argument: simply since we haven‘t seen a new J-10C with that engine since mis-2019. That alone surely does not exclude the AL-31, but if these planes are to believers by March, then they are already built - and according to most reliable sources, PAF personnel is well in training already - but agin we haven‘t seen any since mid-2019.

So, agreed, surely China could find a way to hide this but given how reports and rumours on major news are spread and leaked, I see barely a chance of this to happen.

Main thing is, whether al-31 or ws-10 engine, we are getting Chinese J-10, that is whats important. The best of the best from china is coming, that is something.

On personal level i would like ws-10 as we can get every kind of support from the chinese when it comes to maintenance infrastructure.

Vt-4s have come with chinese engines, that is a first, z-10s will come with chinese engines, z-9s have chinese engines.

Hope to see a stronger bond between Pak and China.

 

[Ghessan]

Will not be released to Pakistan - there is another option for Pakistan available through China besides FC-31 and J-20 but will require complete alignment to Chengdu.

he based his argument of J-20 in 2023-24 on Taimi Khan's statement who denied anything attached to his saying of 2023-24 for PAF.

 

[serenity]

Main thing is, whether al-31 or ws-10 engine, we are getting Chinese J-10, that is whats important. The best of the best from china is coming, that is something.

On personal level i would like ws-10 as we can get every kind of support from the chinese when it comes to maintenance infrastructure.

Vt-4s have come with chinese engines, that is a first, z-10s will come with chinese engines, z-9s have chinese engines.

Hope to see a stronger bond between Pak and China.

Only way J-10CP coming to Pakistan with AL-31 is if those J-10 are not J-10C which means older fighters or early J-10C batches which means either older fighters or PAF long ago already secured this J-10 deal. Otherwise it will be using WS-10B if PAF is getting brand new J-10C.

J-10C is nowhere near the best of the best from China in terms of fighter aircraft. That would currently be this

which is currently using WS-10C

I wonder what Pakistan is getting 2023 or 24?

If not PAF, so PN then?

 

[Zarvan]

You & me both...

But everytime someone brings up J-11, J-15 and/or J-16 in the Pakistan Air Force/Navy discussion - I can't help but shake my head .

Obviously there are those who believe in Santa (too), but when you ask them for anything short of evidence - they go off saying that we don't know jack.

The J-11, J-15 and/or J-16 discussions are as absurd as EFT, GripenNG, F-35, F/A-18, F-22 etc.

Until a year ago even J-10 C was not happening and then it did. How many surprises you have got in one last year alone ? As for J-15/J-16 I have no news at all. But I would say one thing and that is that we want China will sell them and Russia would raise no objections. That being said I would say J-15/J-16 will come if Indian Navy instead of selecting Rafale M, goes for F-18 BLOCK III.

 

[imranyounus]

Has anyone ever thought it might just be a August 1 acrobatics team

 

[Goritoes]

@Deino. Believe me ignoring him is Bliss. He remains on my ignore list and I sleep easy. Try it and see how peaceful life is.
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You know you are annoying and bad, if the old and nicest person on PDF @araz puts you on ignore list I did not put him on my ignore list, so i can read his absurd posts

 

[War Historian]

I think we should also look at the bigger picture. A few hints below.

1- USA:
F-15 design forms the basic of ---> F-22 Raptor and F-35. F-15 semi stealth

2- China:
J-10 design forms the basic of ---> J-20. J-10 semi stealth.

Sir, in this context. Can we imagine future NGFA derived from JF-17

 

[Deino]

Would 'us getting older j10s that has Russian engine" satisfy that logic?

Indeed it would and it would also make sense for the PLAAF to replace those sold with new production ones using the WS-10, but would that fit to the point @The Eagle noted, that Paksitan won‘t compromise quality when the should get used fighters?