PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[Deino]

Will not be released to Pakistan - there is another option for Pakistan available through China besides FC-31 and J-20 but will require complete alignment to Chengdu.

But since it is something different to the J-10, also not the J-20 … then it must be something new?!!!

 

[Polestar 2]

Has anyone ever thought it might just be a August 1 acrobatics team

And you expect PLAAF acrobatic team to counter IAF Rafale on Pakistan airforce behalf?

 

[Rafael]

Confirmation from Chengdu.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1483674723372331009

 

[Deino]

Has anyone ever thought it might just be a August 1 acrobatics team

Why? They are using the even older J-10A variant, so this makes no sense at all.

 

[SQ8]

But since it is something different to the J-10, also not the J-20 … then it must be something new?!!!

It likely is a design Chengdu has up its sleeve but never pursued. PAF was shown(design) it back in 2010 and were allowed a peek at the J-20(no they didn’t fly it nor were proposed a sale) and the J-31. But when the 5th generation focus began within the PAF then it was three designs including the J-31 they were looking at from China as a flyaway purchase ( no project Azm).

 

[HRK]

If not PAF, so PN then?

We need to understand in the end of the year of 2020 Pakistan and China signed MOU about the "Interoperability" of their forces all these new purchases of defence article in my opinion are coming after this agreement.

All three forces of Pakistan are either receiving or have plan to purchase defence equipments to address specific shortcoming as compare to India

- Pakistan Army till now has received VT-4 and HQ-9

- Navy would receive Type-54 Frigates and Submarines

- Air Force will receive J-10 & and some version of HQ-9 SAM

so by this pattern we can assume only few widely known section of Arm Forces of Pakistan are left to be address which are

- Gunship Helicopter for Pakistan Army Aviation, Pakistan is facing many issues to address this domain, our existing fleet of Cobra Helicopters are old and need replacement while Turkish T-129 and US AH-1Z are not practical solutions to address this; so we are left with Chinese Option to fulfil our immediate needs.

- An aerial platform which could enhance Strike capability of Pakistan Air force, but there is no news or rumor for this domain so probably PAF will maintain Mirage Fleet for this purpose which is what PAF is doing as Mirage Fleet is getting their last overhaul. PAF will soon add J-10 in her fleet but J-10 are not strike platform, therefore we can say that it will NOT induct any new platform during in the same time. The Final Solution to address this domain might the NGF which will take some time.

- Navy lacks in Medium and Long Range Air Defence, but as per reports newly acquired Frigates will only address medium range Air defence needs to some extent

Conclusion: So in the end we could say the only doable option right now is related to gunship which is more of immediate need of Pakistan Army.

 

[TopGun786]

Confirmation from Chengdu.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1483674723372331009

That is some interesting news.

 

[Deino]

It likely is a design Chengdu has up its sleeve but never pursued. PAF was shown(design) it back in 2010 and were allowed a peek at the J-20(no they didn’t fly it nor were proposed a sale) and the J-31. But when the 5th generation focus began within the PAF then it was three designs including the J-31 they were looking at from China as a flyaway purchase ( no project Azm).

Hmm?!! ... but even if I agree, that CAC had a design "up its sleeve", such a design to complete will take vast amount of resources and if it is - like you say - "no project Azm" - then I see no chance for yet another fifth generation type! Anyway ... most interesting.

 

[Goritoes]

It likely is a design Chengdu has up its sleeve but never pursued. PAF was shown(design) it back in 2010 and were allowed a peek at the J-20(no they didn’t fly it nor were proposed a sale) and the J-31. But when the 5th generation focus began within the PAF then it was three designs including the J-31 they were looking at from China as a flyaway purchase ( no project Azm).

But Isn't Project Azm a wider project that includes Fighter Jets, drones , SAM's and electronic warfare systems?

 

[MH.Yang]

Indeed it would and it would also make sense for the PLAAF to replace those sold with new production ones using the WS-10, but would that fit to the point @The Eagle noted, that Paksitan won‘t compromise quality when the should get used fighters?

You mean PAF bought 25 second-hand J10B? Is it used to replace PAF's attacker? Mirage V?

 

[Ghessan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1483677735587299340

 

[Deino]

You mean PAF bought 25 second-hand J10B? Is it used to replace PAF's attacker? Mirage V?

Exactly NOT ... I only replied to an idea posted above, if Pakistan could use older AL-31FN-powered J-10Cs; but surely not even older J-10B.

 

[kursed]

I hope this satisfies people now.

Aviation Fusion Media 0 01-19 13:13 Weibo weibo.com #Aviation News# [Aerospace completes the ground handling training of the Pakistan Air Force] Recently, a team composed of senior lecturers and translators from various aerospace departments of the aviation industry, involving ejection seats , power products, life-saving umbrellas, comprehensive support equipment, electronic products and other professional teaching teams of 9 people, set off for Chengdu, and carried out a one-week training for an export model of seats and their supporting life-saving products for the ground crew of the Pakistan Air Force. Since the training content involves multiple professional products, after receiving the training task, in order to ensure the smooth development of the training work, in view of the characteristics of Pakistan Air Force personnel who are diligent and inquisitive, Aerospace immediately set up a compound training team, and in the shortest time Completed the production of Chinese and English version of the training materials and reached a teaching consensus. After arriving in Chengdu, the teaching team made some adjustments and started intensive teaching work. The ejection seat is the most complex and critical life-saving equipment, and it is the last barrier to ensure the life safety of the pilots. At the beginning of the training, the Pakistani ground staff showed a strong desire for knowledge and exploration, kept throwing questions from all angles, and extended the questions to other supporting products from time to time. The teachers worked together and cooperated with each other, supported by solid technical skills, with excellent professional quality as the background, and faithful bilingual translation as the bridge, answered the doubts of the Pakistani ground staff earnestly, meticulously, and patiently. Unanimous praise from the students. This training lasted for a week, involving 7 products, and the task was arduous. With the full cooperation of the company's teaching team, the training task was successfully completed.

Confirmation from Chengdu.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1483674723372331009

 

[SD 10]

I hope this satisfies people now.

Aviation Fusion Media 0 01-19 13:13 Weibo weibo.com #Aviation News# [Aerospace completes the ground handling training of the Pakistan Air Force] Recently, a team composed of senior lecturers and translators from various aerospace departments of the aviation industry, involving ejection seats , power products, life-saving umbrellas, comprehensive support equipment, electronic products and other professional teaching teams of 9 people, set off for Chengdu, and carried out a one-week training for an export model of seats and their supporting life-saving products for the ground crew of the Pakistan Air Force. Since the training content involves multiple professional products, after receiving the training task, in order to ensure the smooth development of the training work, in view of the characteristics of Pakistan Air Force personnel who are diligent and inquisitive, Aerospace immediately set up a compound training team, and in the shortest time Completed the production of Chinese and English version of the training materials and reached a teaching consensus. After arriving in Chengdu, the teaching team made some adjustments and started intensive teaching work. The ejection seat is the most complex and critical life-saving equipment, and it is the last barrier to ensure the life safety of the pilots. At the beginning of the training, the Pakistani ground staff showed a strong desire for knowledge and exploration, kept throwing questions from all angles, and extended the questions to other supporting products from time to time. The teachers worked together and cooperated with each other, supported by solid technical skills, with excellent professional quality as the background, and faithful bilingual translation as the bridge, answered the doubts of the Pakistani ground staff earnestly, meticulously, and patiently. Unanimous praise from the students. This training lasted for a week, involving 7 products, and the task was arduous. With the full cooperation of the company's teaching team, the training task was successfully completed.

YEah they mentioned j10c in the tweet so all those rumors about A or B model should be put to rest now..........

 

[applesauce]

It likely is a design Chengdu has up its sleeve but never pursued. PAF was shown(design) it back in 2010 and were allowed a peek at the J-20(no they didn’t fly it nor were proposed a sale) and the J-31. But when the 5th generation focus began within the PAF then it was three designs including the J-31 they were looking at from China as a flyaway purchase ( no project Azm).

that would mean pakistan is shown some on-paper design and if PAF wanted it, pakistan would have to financing the entire mystery chengdu project by itself. i don't see that as much of an option especially as you know, pakistan currently does not have that kind of money and there is no way chengdu finished the design and didn't even try to promote it for sale. I also dont see it being any kind of collaboration where china finances 50%+ of the costs, that boat has sailed with the FC31/J35.