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i never compared anything, however, who cares, you are entitled to your own opinion
Not True
You would have a point if our geographical distance was 2000km, but we live right next to each other. There will be limited BVR Engagements but most of the fights will be in WVR, because if the IAF wants to damage PAF, it will have to punch through the border and enter PAF's airspace.
For limited BVR Engagements, we have plenty of F16's and JF17's. Keep in mind, in the present day and age Strike Packages are the name of the game. A PAF Strike Package will contain a mix of Mirages, F7 PG's, F16's and JF17's. F16's and JF17's to provide air cover and engage in Electronic Warfare, PG's to guard the Mirages for close WVR Fights and Mirages to deliver Strikes. Not as simple as you might think, the F7PG rightly used is a deadly aircraft.
And I mentioned IRCCMs separately, and gave examples of highly battle proven missiles within the PAF inventory, read my post again.IM Talking About High Off Bore Site IRCCMs Like Aim-9x ,MICA R-73E,Python-5 A-dater Etc
you Quoted me First try to Know about the subject
This Not IRST Its reconnaissance pod For Ground Missions Much Like Lightening G series . Here is Old Thread About This Picture you posted @Quwa Kid Don't Fool Around Im Veteran PDF Member
https://defence.pk/threads/could-jf-17-benefit-from-a-photo-recon-pod.425175/
Talking About Long-range Passive IRST Sensors Please Name the Sensor
Let Me give you Examples Of Passive IRST Sensors Around the World Air-forces
An Passive IRST sensor on the Su-27.
OSF (Optronique secteur frontal)
PIRATE-IRST on Typhoon
SAAB Gripen with its Skyward-G IRST
OLS optical detection pod used on Sukhoi-30 MKI
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And I mentioned IRCCMs separately, and gave examples of highly battle proven missiles within the PAF inventory, read my post again.
Sniper is another IRST in PAF inventory. Here from LM:
What is Sniper Advanced Targeting Pod (ATP)? A targeting pod that provides superior air-to-ground and air-to-air targeting capability. A targeting pod more reliable and sustainable than any other in the field. A targeting pod that’s continuously upgraded with the most advanced technology. A targeting pod trusted by customers worldwide.
They're on the F-16s.
I hope you read this post thoroughly.
Dear This has Nothing to do with 3 generation High-Off Boresight Missile Like Aim-9X & Or MBDA ASRAAM or Python-5And I mentioned IRCCMs separately, and gave examples of highly battle proven missiles within the PAF inventory, read my post again.
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and how come F-7 PG will come so close to indian fighters.
there are few tactics that can be employed but how many times they will be effective?
it seems PAF has developed some methods to make their jets invisible to enemy radars, eyes of the enemy pilots and suddenly these jets will appear on the tail of the enemy fighters out of no where. cho mantar.
the attacking enemy jets will be in complete package with jets with designated roles .
right but what will be the opposition for such a strike package? Su30, AWACS, Rafales, S400 etc. attacking deep inside the enemy territory will be a nightmare for both IAF and PAF specially for PAF due to limited numbers of hi tech jets. the only solution to this solution is fifth gen jets
IAF will hit hard... After countering our F-16 and JF-17 with MKI MiG 29 Rafales Even (F-16 block V or F-18) do you think that IAF will send their jets to a WVR fight they can take our Mirages and F-7 in a target practice
We don't even have a Deep strike Mission aircraft we are just A Defensive force weather it's our Navy or Airforce
Sir I Request you to Research More About Indian EW Capabilities
The Arena of WVR Combat Changes In IAF Favor After Introduction high-angle off-boresight IRCCM Missiles With HMDS
India Uses 4 Types of HOBS Missile Currently
Capability Which All PAF Current Generation Fighter Aircrafts Lacks
- R-73E
- Python-5
- AIM-132 ASRAAM
- MICA RF/IR
Aim 120C is Not HoBsThat is not true my friend.
AIM-120C
SD10-A
PL9-III
etc all have Off Bore Sight Capability
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Well apart from the 500 AIM 120C which are almost at half time of their shelf life and will be useless in next 5 years if not updated or refurbished and 18 odd block 52 F-16 and if we assume PAF can maintain 90% availability with the jets though global average for F16 is 80 % so there are 16 block 52s with half a decent Mechanical radar and some Electronic jamming its open season for IAF atleast in the air to air battle at least PAF may then try to use their stand off munitions but most of them can be detected and dealt with they are a series of subsonic CMs and gravity bombs nothing special after that IAF can go on to finish PAF and with their arsenal of BVRAAMS they posses including meteors soon to be inducted with rafael i don't see any problem they will face in completely neutralizing PAF by remaining close to or inside their own border thus forcing a quick surrender or forcing PAF to attack its like poking a guy holed up in his fort with a very long stick and getting the best of themHi,
Please go through the 20+ threads in which various scenarios have been simulated showing the MKI and IAF as whole being countered.
I am sure IAF isn't incompetent as you state it is, did it completely forget all about China?.
Before you go on any further PAF has both AIM-9 and PL-9, which both are IRCCMs.
As well as AIM-120 a highly successful BVR missile, PAF's F-16s incorporate HMD, which will become a standard for JF-17s too.
Any who, the punch line is that the statement by the Chief is in regards to battle readiness and professionalism of the PAF. Maybe something similar can be said about the MKI's had they ever reached the peak of their battle readiness.
The Trend Has Changed in years I think Sir You should Do More Research in this RegardI am well aware of IAF's EW Capabilities, they are simply top notch. But they are not even close to being Superior Enough to overwhelm PAF's Capabilities. I suggest you go back a few years, and we debated extensively in regards to PAF's EW Capabilities.
Or Skyward GChina Is developed Its own HMDS or IRST Sensors F0r J-10C & J-11 Which Rumoured To be Featured in Jf-17 Blk-3 Lets Wait For It
Sir Far The News Go Its Was HMS Russian helmet sight Fired PL-9 AAM Its Not latest HMDS Sight Like TopSight or JHMCSsome time. Here's a little homework for you, F7PG's were firing 4th Generation WVRAAM's cued up with their HMD's in High Mark Exercise 2010. Find out what Missile that was
Well apart from the 500 AIM 120C which are almost at half time of their shelf life and will be useless in next 5 years if not updated or refurbished and 18 odd block 52 F-16 and if we assume PAF can maintain 90% availability with the jets though global average for F16 is 80 % so there are 16 block 52s with half a decent Mechanical radar and some Electronic jamming its open season for IAF atleast in the air to air battle at least PAF may then try to use their stand off munitions but most of them can be detected and dealt with they are a series of subsonic CMs and gravity bombs nothing special after that IAF can go on to finish PAF and with their arsenal of BVRAAMS they posses including meteors soon to be inducted with rafael i don't see any problem they will face in completely neutralizing PAF by remaining close to or inside their own border thus forcing a quick surrender or forcing PAF to attack its like poking a guy holed up in his fort with a very long stick and getting the best of them
PS IAF in this context is indian AF not israeli AF just to avoid any confusion lol
There's a saying:That Is nothing Comparable Against Passive IRST Sensors You are Talking SNIPER ATP Which is Basically is SAR Based Pod Comparable to LITENING G series or Damocles (targeting pod) are Advanced FLIR Targeting Pods With limited IRST capability The Lockheed Martin Sniper is a targeting pod for military aircraft that provides positive target identification, autonomous tracking, GPS coordinate generation, and precise weapons guidance from extended standoff ranges.
Read
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sniper_Advanced_Targeting_Pod
US Invested On Pod Base IRST These ae Examples of Passive IRST Sensors in USAF Inventory
- Lockheed IRST21 Sensor System
Another Lockheed Martin Advanced Legion Pod
And This My Favourite And World No 1 IRST Sensor is F-35 is AN/AAQ-37 electro-optical Distributed Aperture System (DAS)
The F-35's DAS was flown in military operational exercises in 2011 and has also demonstrated the ability to detect and track ballistic missiles to ranges exceeding 800 miles (1300 kilometers)
Dear This has Nothing to do with 3 generation High-Off Boresight Missile Like Aim-9X & Or MBDA ASRAAM or Python-5
Which gives Unlimited Advantage In Dogfight You can Just Lock A Target By Just Looking At It
As For IRCCM you Need A Passive IRST Sensors Like I Mentioned Above
There's a saying:
You Ego Is Not Letting You Believe that you are not Expert on this Subject of Discussion . That FLIR Targeting Pod Has Limited capability compared To a Passive IRST Sensor In Image Processing That Can Guide IR Seeker of Infrared Homing Missile To Lock on Its Target"If someone is chasing after you with a gun, it won't matter what Caliber it is."
It doesn't matter if Sniper isn't the best pod, and again go to LM's website and see the Sniper's capabilities, it is well capable of engaging Air targets. Please read through the previous posts.
I see your attitude unfit for logical debates. Please do not quote me again.
We have to accept that since 1991, after American arms embargo, we have neglected our air force. By 1990,s we failed to purchase 32 mirage 2000-v or 44 mirage 2000-s . Even we could,t purchase a dozen of them so that by next decade purchase another dozen.
Then by 2000 onward we lost opportunity to get F16 block 52 in large numbers( initial wishlist was 75 then 55 then 36 ). It seems that we were joking to ourselves. We were making dramas. Now we are not only on defencive side but too mipuch defencive side.
Still we are unable to decide either to go for j11, j10 or su35 or European side????
And neither we are trying to get atleast 60 second hand f16 from different countries and upgrade them as soon as possible to prepare for a war, nit for air display on 23rd march.
Our jf17 is still lacking air to air and air to grounfpd systems. We are just playing
What should have been done in your opinion? What would have been your plan of action?Sir,
You post is an apologist post for the paf. Paf was never neglected---they dug their own grave and sunk the nation in it as well.