PAF F16-Blk70 possibly coming - TO BE CONFIRMED

[MystryMan]

12 Zulu rest will be AH-1W that will be upgraded later. These are available in AMRAC.

The original deal of 2015 had 15 AH-1Z.

 

[NA71]

am sorry sir i disagree with your views
1 there is oil in kekra more than mascat as @Khafee sir tells
2 No one is going to sabotage Cpec as it going on smoothly
3 Pakistan is not tilted towards USA . For the first time in history Pakistan is trying to build balance relationship with USA and China
4 IMF was the need of the time and with out IMF deal no other financing institution would give us finanace to deal with the problem .
120 f 16 with block 72 upgradation is a huge jump . if you dnt value them than just ask indian air force .
F 16 is proven air craft and our pilots have flying experienc and it would surely increase Paf capability .
it would fill gap and with in no time we can have potent air force .

Sir, also shed some light on ....how all of sudden USA is doing all these favors ? Its not just Afghanistan issue.

 

[aliyusuf]

Sir, also shed some light on ....how all of sudden USA is doing all these favors ? Its not just Afghanistan issue.

Kindly read this post from @Khafee that he posted in the initial pages of this thread ...
Link

 

[araz]

So USA is giving “Ount kay mounh main chara”

Pakistan gave new life to USA by
1. Closing Kikra 1 saying oil was present, but now not present
2. Sabotaging CPEC
3. Entrapping back Pakistan in USA jaws
4. Putting Great Pakistani nation in IMF claws

All these happened are dreadful for China Pakistan Russia but new life for dying USA

So even 100 block 70 is very small thing

Polar world was tilting against USA, is thrown back in USA lap

Dear fellows Pakistan is the Pivot of bipolar world

Please understand that Pakistan's interests with regards to CPEC are nonnegotiable and will be persued irrespective of US aid or any other cajoling. The US industrialists could be asked to join in but CPEC continues at all cost. The rest are minor niggles.
You also need to understand that the armed forces of Pakistan are not your enemy. Whatever they have done with the support of the agovernment so far seems to be working in the right direction. Your post suggests misgivings whi h are unjustified.
A

Have not been able to figure out yet.

I dont think qe will be getting missiles from US. We will mate it within our existing system and possibly get HQ16 Bs as they become available initially.
A

 

[zulu]

Akhir bata hi diyaa.aab defence ministry waly tumhain dhoond rahy hn gy

#Khafee Leaks 3

TPS77 MRR

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

12 Zulu rest will be AH-1W that will be upgraded later. These are available in AMRAC.

AH 1W Super Cobras will be given and then upgraded to AH 1Z?

 

[Trango Towers]

Has anyone even considered that even if we order the f16 block 70V. They can be embargoed before delivery and delivery may be 5 years from now and USA Pakistan relations are like the British weather.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

The original deal of 2015 had 15 AH-1Z.

Yes. Unfortunately Obama only authorised payment of 12. These were produced and now in storage, so PAA can in theory ask US NAVY birds as they are in the same configuration but will be willing to give there is another question. Remember Obama had allowed for export of original F-16's ordered by PAF but 12 of them were in active service with the US armed forces who refused to send them hence the procurement from Jordan went a head.

The link below states that 65 AH-1W Super Cobra are stored currently the latest delivered on 27 June 2019. These are easily available so can be delivered immediately once Trump gives the go ahead. These are not much different to the Zulu hence they can easily be upgraded.
http://amarcexperience.com/ui/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=30&Itemid=220

The only thing is that Pakistan Army may cancel the ATAK-129 deal if USA provides the required numbers.

AH 1W Super Cobras will be given and then upgraded to AH 1Z?

 

[Humble Analyst]

I hate to throw a spanner in the works. I think we have no reason to disbelieve @Khafee, however the news is a single man's account and the finances and other nitty gritties will need to be sorted out. The former are a huge challange to us at this point.
I dont think we will have upgrade of radar and other equipment fleet wide as the cost will shoot through the roof. I still think a better approach might be to get some new 16s and if possible older block 32/42s and upgrade those as well as our newer 52s to V standard. The radars from 52s could go down to the ADF fighters. If structural upgrade is available for A&Bs it should be strongly considered although when this occurs needs to be considered. For Example if we have 2000 hours on a plane will a structural upgrade allow us to extend it to 6000 hrs or only 4000hrs. So do we waste money by asking for structural upgrade earlier?
It maybe a more prudent approach. We do not want fleet wide upgarde barring structural one as most of our fleet of A&Bs is getting upto 40 years old. However the OCUs have a lot of aur frame life left on them.
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F16 were designed for 8000 hours. With structural upgrades the life can be extended to 12000 hours. Additional 4000 means about 12 to 15 years so this can be weighed in cost benefit analysis.

 

[Humble Analyst]

The helicopters...

It is let us see air defence missiles batteries

Has anyone even considered that even if we order the f16 block 70V. They can be embargoed before delivery and delivery may be 5 years from now and USA Pakistan relations are like the British weather.

Well if Pak is getting this many F16 there is going to be long term commitment from both sides. Question is what will be the reaction from people of Pakistan about Pak commitments? What will be those commitments? Anything related to Israel?

 

[YeBeWarned]

Some people don't realize that these Radars ( Khafee Leaks #3 ) are more important to PAF/Pakistan than F-16/Zulu's .

 

[Humble Analyst]

So USA is giving “Ount kay mounh main chara”

Pakistan gave new life to USA by
1. Closing Kikra 1 saying oil was present, but now not present
2. Sabotaging CPEC
3. Entrapping back Pakistan in USA jaws
4. Putting Great Pakistani nation in IMF claws

All these happened are dreadful for China Pakistan Russia but new life for dying USA

So even 100 block 70 is very small thing

Polar world was tilting against USA, is thrown back in USA lap

Dear fellows Pakistan is the Pivot of bipolar world

We must think what are the terms of CPEC and how they benefit Pakistan. If the loan and tariffs rate do not help Pakistan then what? On the other hand I do not think Pakistan will sacrifice her relations for some F16 with China, unless China is doing something which is against Pakistani interests. Pakistani is in an economic crunch and China has no plans for giving long term soft loans as it appears.If China wanted to they would have done. But everybody watches their interests first and Chinese are more in the mode of taking than giving and this is my personal opinion.
Guess what options are left then in this time of crunch?
What Pakistan will offer to US which are attractive to US? There are three offers Pak provide.
1-Afghan peace deal
2-Some recognition to Israel with concessions for Palestine in exchange of
3-Give up nukes
Number 3 is a no no, number 2 if handled smartly but opposition will exploit people for uprising. However if Pakistani people are smart it can be used for helping Palestine cause.
Number 1 is a go

We gave China a port and a lot of land let us see if we can benefit out of it or it was a bad financial deal?
REMEMBER NOTHING IS FREE NOT EVEN FROM CHINA.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

There is one more - I'm just contemplating, what to do.



All in good time IA.

Ohhh....is it big?

 

[mingle]

Some people don't realize that these Radars ( Khafee Leaks #3 ) are more important to PAF/Pakistan than F-16/Zulu's .

Beacuse they don't fly

 

[YeBeWarned]

Beacuse they don't fly

Because they don't let Enemy fly with peace .