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I completely get the outrage over Lakhvi and that one bad act does not deserve another. However, I would like to hear from the Indian diaspora here on PDF, to a valid counter argument from the Pakistanis.

That being, why are they being judged on their judiciary's decision to grant bail to Lakhvi. When the Indian judiciary granted bail to Swami Aseemanand?

This gentleman confessed to his involvement in Samjhauta express where dozens of Pakistani citizens were burned alive.

Btw- The wiki background on him and his involvement can be found here. Swami Aseemanand - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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International politics is full of double standards. No country can claim being dirt free.
 
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Case was swami Asimanad was fake. Police could not find any evidences. Even US has indicated some Pakistanis for the Samaritan express case. While Lakhvi and saeed are declared international terrorist by Interpol.

Help me clarify this below as I know wiki is not always accurate.

Tehelka political magazine claimed on 16 December that Aseemanand requested the magistrate to record his confession about his involvement in a string of terror attacks. He stated that he was making the confession without any fear, force, coercion or inducement. In accordance with the law, the magistrate asked Aseemanand to reflect over his decision and sent him to judicial custody for two days — away from any police interference or influence. On 18 December, Aseemanand returned. “I know I can be sentenced to the death penalty but I still want to make the confession,” he said. Reportedly, in the jail, he got acquainted with a Muslim boy called Kaleem who was being held for the same crimes that he was. Kaleem was very helpful to him, which aroused his conscience and inspired him to confess to the crimes

Over the next five hours, Aseemanand explained to the magistrate about the "involvement of a few Hindutva leaders, including himself, in planning and executing a series of terror attacks".[4] A letter written by Aseemanand on December 20, 2010, two days after his confession to the CBI, was presented as evidence in January 2011 to show that the confession he gave was voluntary. In the letter, Aseemanand has explained his change of heart after meeting a Muslim boy who was falsely implicated in Malegaon blasts

However on 12 May 2011 Aseemanand claimed that his confessional statements were obtained by the National Investigation Agency (NIA) "under pressure".On June 2011 The NIA charged Swami Aseemanand in the Samjhauta Express train blast case.
 
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Help me clarify this below as I know wiki is not always accurate.


The so called confession is a creation of Media and his lawyer denied giving any such confession by swami Anastasia. To caught him was a part of larger conspiracy by congress to fix vocal hindu priest who were against the Islamic terrorism. No proof is found against Sadhvi Pragna nor colonel Purohit.

The fallacy of this implication may be witnessed from the charges which states that Asimanad planned this blast with the help of Pakistani people or Pakistani intelligence agency. What a contrast. Pakistani helps Indian to kill Pakistanis.

They did 4 narco test of sadhvi Pragna but they are not willing to make its finding as a the part of charge sheet. Now all the charges against sadhvi pragya are dropped in terror case.
 
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The so called confession is a creation of Media and his lawyer denied giving any such confession by swami Anastasia. To caught him was a part of larger conspiracy by congress to fix vocal hindu priest who were against the Islamic terrorism. No proof is found against Sadhvi Pragna nor colonel Purohit.

The fallacy of this implication may be witnessed from the charges which states that Asimanad planned this blast with the help of Pakistani people or Pakistani intelligence agency. What a contrast. Pakistani helps Indian to kill Pakistanis.

They did 4 narco test of sadhvi Pragna but they are not willing to make its finding as a the part of charge sheet. Now all the charges against sadhvi pragya are dropped in terror case.

That's interesting. Because in the wiki article it has no mention about him stating that he made a confession about Pakistan helping him. Also I know that your NIA was the one who levied the charge against him, an entity you guys hold in high regard.
 
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I completely get the outrage over Lakhvi and that one bad act does not deserve another. However, I would like to hear from the Indian diaspora here on PDF, to a valid counter argument from the Pakistanis.

That being, why are they being judged on their judiciary's decision to grant bail to Lakhvi. When the Indian judiciary granted bail to Swami Aseemanand?

This gentleman confessed to his involvement in Samjhauta express where dozens of Pakistani citizens were burned alive.

Btw- The wiki background on him and his involvement can be found here. Swami Aseemanand - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

To be honest, no one really knows what's going on with the case. The LeT was accused initially. Thereafter, these Aseemanand/Sadhvi Pragya characters popped up. While there is no doubt that they are nasty pieces of work, I don't know if they were the actual perpetrators or just a bunch of lunatics who wanted to claim responsibility and then realised how idiotic they were when the prospect of being handed death sentences came up.

The previous government did nothing to make things more clear. It was in their political interest, in general, to prove that the Hindu right carried out these attacks. Yet, at some stage the prosecution started changing it's stance and dropped some cases.

Either Aseemanand/Pragya/Purohit were involved and there's a cover up because its more convenient to blame things on the Pakistani terror outfits. Or the Congress government took a bunch of rag-tag lunatics (who had nothing to do with the attacks) and paraded them around as the true perpetrators to raise the fear of Hindu extremism as a political tactic against the BJP. Unfortunately, the way Indian politics works both options are entirely possible.
 
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The so called confession is a creation of Media and his lawyer denied giving any such confession by swami Anastasia. To caught him was a part of larger conspiracy by congress to fix vocal hindu priest who were against the Islamic terrorism. No proof is found against Sadhvi Pragna nor colonel Purohit.

The fallacy of this implication may be witnessed from the charges which states that Asimanad planned this blast with the help of Pakistani people or Pakistani intelligence agency. What a contrast. Pakistani helps Indian to kill Pakistanis.

They did 4 narco test of sadhvi Pragna but they are not willing to make its finding as a the part of charge sheet. Now all the charges against sadhvi pragya are dropped in terror case.

On what basis Swami was arrested initially ? On Colonel Purohit confession ?
 
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That's interesting. Because in the wiki article it has no mention about him stating that he made a confession about Pakistan helping him. Also I know that your NIA was the one who levied the charge against him, an entity you guys hold in high regard.


No NIA is a very good agency but congress had maligned it by putting her pet officer to fix so many innocent such as swamy asimanand and sadhvi pragna. They tried to Fix Amit shah also but failed. They wanted to fix modi but failed. I believe that now sadhvi Pragna will go to HRC to invetigate the conspiracy against her. This type of conspiracy is not new in india. Our submarine scientist and cryogenic engine scientist were also fixed in past in false charges to derail these projects on American Interest.
 
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The entire case and the investigation was carried out by NIA to malign one political group, Swami himself later said the confessions were under torture, and he retracted them. In fact independent investigations by the U.N, and the U.S declared that Pakistan based group, the LeT was behind the attack

Refer:The Statesman: Is India blind and deaf?


The Samjhauta Train terror is crucial for alleging Hindu involvement in order to put Pakistan and India on the same footing insofar as cross-border terror is concerned. It was in this act that Pakistani citizens and not merely Indian Muslims became victims. That is why a Pakistani Minister in November 2011 visiting India could quote the Samjhauta blast to demand that like the 26/11 terrorists Hindu terrorists should also be nailed and punished. The problem as repeatedly cited is of course that a UN Security Council Resolution had already indicted Lashkar-e-Taiba for the Samjhauta terror. This followed a detailed probe by the American FBI which identified and named all the four operatives from Pakistan who carried out the act. That is why the UN banned the Lashkar as a terrorist organization. The UN named Hafiz Saeed as the mastermind behind the operation and imposed sanctions against him. The sanctions could not be implemented because China exercised its veto power to protect Hafiz Saeed. This has been reported in these columns half a dozen times but to no effect. Neither the NIA, nor the politicians nor the media care to explain this glaring contradiction. The entire political and media establishment blissfully continue with allegations of Hindu terror in the Samjhauta blast as of the UN does not exist.


Samjhauta Blast Case: Counter Investigation To NIA Investigation -The New Indian Express - a very long and step by step counter to the inexplicable investigations of the NIA

Again during election time, there was an "interview" of Swami published in some pro-congress mouth pieces where he discussed his involvement, which was later revealed to be fake.

It is not just this, he was also accused in the Mecca masjid blast, and then later it was found that the group; was again an islamic group called the HuJI.
Refer:
HuJI ban takes no note of 'Hindu terror' role - The Times of India
‘Huji, not Hindu group, behind Mecca Masjid blast’ - Hindustan Times

Overall there has been a huge attempt to make him loook like a Hindu Osama of some sort, but it has failed, but parties and certain sections of the media completely ignore it and continue their tirade against this nonsense.

Even the now infamous 26/11 was ready to be painted as "Hindu Terror".
David Headley bought saffron wrist bands to try and paint the whole thing as hindu terror
With sacred threads, Abu Jundal tried to colour 26/11 saffron - The Times of India
Later a book was released, that had a congress person at the launch:
RSS & 26/11: Digvijaya flags it off again, this time in Mumbai - Indian Express -26/11, An RSS Conspiracy?

Luckily catching Kasab alive really prevented any sort of nonsense from occurring.

It doesnt end here, there are many cases where when terrorists were caught, politicians would create doubts about the terrorist and tried to show the police in bad light. If there was an encounter, the media and certain parties would constantly try to show the that terrorists were "innocent" while demonizing the policemen and so on....

I dont even know if this is just congress stupidity in going to an extreme with the politics of appeasement of one community for votes, or if they were genuinely compromised. Seems like a combination of both. It really , really hurt our ability in fighting terror, when every single nutty conspiracy theory was not just given importance but made mainstream and entire investigations were subverted by it.
 
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Case against swami Asimanad was fake. Police could not find any evidences. Even US has indicated some Pakistanis for the Samajauta express case. While Lakhvi and saeed are declared international terrorist by Interpol.
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dear same statment form pakistnai can made for those we running headlines
is lakshvi is decalred internaional terrorist ..
you right about HS
 
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To be honest, no one really knows what's going on with the case. The LeT was accused initially. Thereafter, these Aseemanand/Sadhvi Pragya characters popped up. While there is no doubt that they are nasty pieces of work, I don't know if they were the actual perpetrators or just a bunch of lunatics who wanted to claim responsibility and then realised how idiotic they were when the prospect of being handed death sentences came up.

The previous government did nothing to make things more clear. It was in their political interest, in general, to prove that the Hindu right carried out these attacks. Yet, at some stage the prosecution started changing it's stance and dropped some cases.

Either Aseemanand/Pragya/Purohit were involved and there's a cover up because its more convenient to blame things on the Pakistani terror outfits. Or the Congress government took a bunch of rag-tag lunatics (who had nothing to do with the attacks) and paraded them around as the true perpetrators to raise the fear of Hindu extremism as a political tactic against the BJP. Unfortunately, the way Indian politics works both options are entirely possible.


How ever the charges against sadhvi and swami were dropped in Congress time in malegaon case.

Swami Aseemanand, Col Purohit not named in Malegaon blasts chargesheet | Zee News

Now the charges in samajauta cases are very flimsy. So he was granted the bail. When FIR was filed, court had asked the NIA to furnish some acceptable or substantial evidences which they promissed to do in some time. NIA could never come out with any substantial evidence.
 
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I completely get the outrage over Lakhvi and that one bad act does not deserve another. However, I would like to hear from the Indian diaspora here on PDF, to a valid counter argument from the Pakistanis.

That being, why are they being judged on their judiciary's decision to grant bail to Lakhvi. When the Indian judiciary granted bail to Swami Aseemanand?

This gentleman confessed to his involvement in Samjhauta express where dozens of Pakistani citizens were burned alive.

Btw- The wiki background on him and his involvement can be found here. Swami Aseemanand - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Sir,

Your country's investigation agency FBI conducted a detailed probe on this issue and found out that this bombing was carried out by LeT and named culprits Arif Qasmani being mastermind. This probe was conducted after arrest of David Headly by USA, and Headley's wife admitted to his involvement in that blast.

USA presented it's finding in UNSC during proceedings related to imposing sanction on LeT ,and Arif Qasmani.

Here:

Samjhauta Blast Case: Counter Investigation To NIA Investigation -The New Indian Express

2007 Samjhauta Express bombings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The government of that time ( Congress ) implicated some douchebags , but innocent douchebags, in bombing as it wanted to establish a Hindu equivalent of Islamic terrorism, and wanted to associate BJP(it's rival party and one currently in power ) and RSS( ideological mentor of BJP ) with terrorism.

And regarding confession, a person would even confess that his mother is a goat under torture.

This has also been pointed by another poster before me. Hope that this would clear your confusion as to why Aseemanand and other accused got Bail ( during Congress reign itself ).

The entire case and the investigation was carried out by NIA to malign one political group, Swami himself later said the confessions were under torture, and he retracted them. In fact independent investigations by the U.N, and the U.S declared that Pakistan based group, the LeT was behind the attack

Refer:The Statesman: Is India blind and deaf?


The Samjhauta Train terror is crucial for alleging Hindu involvement in order to put Pakistan and India on the same footing insofar as cross-border terror is concerned. It was in this act that Pakistani citizens and not merely Indian Muslims became victims. That is why a Pakistani Minister in November 2011 visiting India could quote the Samjhauta blast to demand that like the 26/11 terrorists Hindu terrorists should also be nailed and punished. The problem as repeatedly cited is of course that a UN Security Council Resolution had already indicted Lashkar-e-Taiba for the Samjhauta terror. This followed a detailed probe by the American FBI which identified and named all the four operatives from Pakistan who carried out the act. That is why the UN banned the Lashkar as a terrorist organization. The UN named Hafiz Saeed as the mastermind behind the operation and imposed sanctions against him. The sanctions could not be implemented because China exercised its veto power to protect Hafiz Saeed. This has been reported in these columns half a dozen times but to no effect. Neither the NIA, nor the politicians nor the media care to explain this glaring contradiction. The entire political and media establishment blissfully continue with allegations of Hindu terror in the Samjhauta blast as of the UN does not exist.


Samjhauta Blast Case: Counter Investigation To NIA Investigation -The New Indian Express - a very long and step by step counter to the inexplicable investigations of the NIA

Again during election time, there was an "interview" of Swami published in some pro-congress mouth pieces where he discussed his involvement, which was later revealed to be fake.

It is not just this, he was also accused in the Mecca masjid blast, and then later it was found that the group; was again an islamic group called the HuJI.
Refer:
HuJI ban takes no note of 'Hindu terror' role - The Times of India
‘Huji, not Hindu group, behind Mecca Masjid blast’ - Hindustan Times

Overall there has been a huge attempt to make him loook like a Hindu Osama of some sort, but it has failed, but parties and certain sections of the media completely ignore it and continue their tirade against this nonsense.

Even the now infamous 26/11 was ready to be painted as "Hindu Terror".
David Headley bought saffron wrist bands to try and paint the whole thing as hindu terror
With sacred threads, Abu Jundal tried to colour 26/11 saffron - The Times of India
Later a book was released, that had a congress person at the launch:
RSS & 26/11: Digvijaya flags it off again, this time in Mumbai - Indian Express -26/11, An RSS Conspiracy?

Luckily catching Kasab alive really prevented any sort of nonsense from occurring.

It doesnt end here, there are many cases where when terrorists were caught, politicians would create doubts about the terrorist and tried to show the police in bad light. If there was an encounter, the media and certain parties would constantly try to show the that terrorists were "innocent" while demonizing the policemen and so on....

I dont even know if this is just congress stupidity in going to an extreme with the politics of appeasement of one community for votes, or if they were genuinely compromised. Seems like a combination of both. It really , really hurt our ability in fighting terror, when every single nutty conspiracy theory was not just given importance but made mainstream and entire investigations were subverted by it.
 
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Samjhuta was covered up by Indians because there are no Hindu terrorists.
 
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Help me clarify this below as I know wiki is not always accurate.

This "confession" seems to be reported by Tehelka which is a well known anti Hindu/ Anti BJP magazine. Other news sources picked from that that magazine.

I will take this news with a bucketful of salt. I have faith in the NIA and ifthis swami is guilty he will be punished. India will not shield terrorists
 
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