North Korea Defence Forum

[shadows888]

supporting a banana republic like DPRK itself is determinal to China image..

supporting KSA where women can't even drive is detrimental to America's image...

there are greater things at play such as geopolitics and geography which cannot be changed. otherwise, USA wouldn't support KSA and China wouldn't support DPRK.

 

[TaiShang]

The following facts you should also know:
1.China will not allow the country's security situation be threatened by any other countries.
2.The treaty between China and DPRK is still available and we will keep our words.
3.We will not interfere DPRK's domestic issues though there are problems.
4.Current situations in the peninsula mainly exist between DPRK and US.
5.US's intentions to create more chaos in the northeast Asia is to counter China and gain more benefits for its own. Further more, we can even see the groups which will benefit from the chaos.
6.It is not first time and will not be the last time that US claims it want to kill a country's leader. What a robbery mentality and uncivilized behavior.
7.China's solution to the peninsula is six- party talks.
8.DPRK is not Iraq or Lybia.
9.China is not same as the country of 67 years ago

Korean war 2.0? Only morons will provoke and ignite it.

Definitely. China would hardly allow a faraway mad regime to bring war and destruction right next door. It is not about Kim, and it is not even about South Korea.

It is about the US. South and North Koreas are the result, not the effect.

The problem is that the US does not care about potential human disaster in the event of a major war in the Korean Peninsula; China does care about the humanitarian situation.

An form of existence is better than a war in the Korean Peninsula, and China does not want war. Hence, it tries to slow down North Korean nuclear development on the one hand, and, on the other, it tries to instill some common sense in the South Korean hawks.

If there was no China factor, the mad regime would have already waged a war, because they really do not care about some couple of million Asians being perished.

They have been crying over the collapsed twin towers for twenty years and push everybody else weep with them, but, they will not care about us.

We have to care about us ourselves.

I think the real problem here is Kim Jong Un. He's mad.

He is mad. And now we are another mad man on the other side of the ocean. That's explosive.

China will never be trapped by two mad men, one of whom the other day proved in Syria that he could really act like a blood-thirsty third world dictator.

 

[Stuttgart001]

supporting a banana republic like DPRK itself is determinal to China image..

To be honest, image is not now China's concern. It is safety.
Imagine a mad man with nukes living next door.

 

[Place Of Space]

I don't know how the U.S 'solve' North Korea, what U.S.A need 'solve' is these North Korean armed with China & Russia weapons and continuously logistics support from China to the Korean Peninsula. Although Pyongyang now not trust BeiJing, but in War North Korea only rely on China and 'Made in China' weapons.

We could help to "solve" North Korea's nuclear problem. "Solve North Korea" is not allowed, but China should prepare for the very bad seriousness of "Solve North Korea". If America and South Korea go mad, though the ratio is very small. China need to arrange 1, war expenditure on Korea peninsula, 2, stop refugees flood 3. Army enter into North Korea, 4. Build up a new leadership in Korea.

 

[Stuttgart001]

The problem is that the US does not care about potential human disaster in the event of a major war in the Korean Peninsula; China does care about the humanitarian situation.

Maybe the US don't care the human disaster but South Korea does. So things is not that simple that US will bomb DPRK because of hatred of Kim Jing un.
Sometimes you are in dilemma.
Attacking DPRK may cause a humanitarian crisis , don't do that it seems there's no other to stop the development of DPRK nuke program.

Compared to the humanitarian crisis, the nuclear attack is more horrible for South Korea, and also for China.

An form of existence is better than a war in the Korean Peninsula, and China does not want war. Hence, it tries to slow down North Korean nuclear development on the one hand, and, on the other, it tries to instill some common sense in the South Korean hawks.

Nobody wants war and nobody wants a crazy neighbor with nukes.

China has been trying to persuade DPRK to give up the programs since a long time ago.

The world has always thought that China is the only one who has a great giant influence on DPRK, cause China fought for him and the 90% export goods of North Korea is transported to China and Its nearly 100% import comes from China. But China still have no influence on DPRK which is totally controlled by Kim Jung un and his followers.

As for now, China failed on stopping the nuclear and missile program.
So Trump said either you stop him or I will do it.

This makes China in a big dilemma.
China has no idea for changing the mind of Kim Jung un and China also couldn't do more thing than implements the embargo which still don't work.

Let's assume China succeed in stopping the US's attack towards DPRK just as the past years when the nuclear crisis happened.
What will happen?
First, DPRK will make its nukes practical, then SOK feel horrible and want nukes and missile defense system.So do Japan.
In the end, China will be surrounded by nukes. This situation is definitely unacceptable to China.
Even feeding total 20 million hungry North Korean which is less than the population of Shanghai is better than being in that situation.

There is other solution offered and mostly excepted by SOK ,which is China take off Kim Jung un and stablise DPRK.
But it means a deviation from our nonintervention principle that is the main basestone of foreign policy.

He is mad. And now we are another mad man on the other side of the ocean. That's explosive.

China will never be trapped by two mad men, one of whom the other day proved in Syria that he could really act like a blood-thirsty third world dictator.

Don't overestimate the power of US president. The decision of attacking Syria is the will of establishment camp.

You can watch the news of American mainstream medias, which bravo Trump for the attack to Syria loudly for the first time since Trump moved into White House.
So you know who is in charge of USA. Not the man living in White House. It is the establishment camp.

But in DPRK, Kim Jung un does control everyone and everything.

 

[TaiShang]

We could help to "solve" North Korea's nuclear problem. "Solve North Korea" is not allowed, but China should prepare for the very bad seriousness of "Solve North Korea". If America and South Korea go mad, though the ratio is very small. China need to arrange 1, war expenditure on Korea peninsula, 2, stop refugees flood 3. Army enter into North Korea, 4. Build up a new leadership in Korea.

Agree.

The demarcation line should not be crossed at all cost. Boundaries cannot be reshaped or merged on US terms.

For the purpose of handling potential refuge issue, it is better to contain the likelihood of a war because, once a war breaks out, it is very difficult to stop human flow.

Even small skirmish in Myanmar led to a flow of refuges and China set up camps inside the China border to assist them.

The risk is definitely higher because there are two mad men that need to be handled. The madness is mutually enforcing/escalating, Trump or his "Mad Dog" won't stop provocations; and so long as he does not, Kim won't either.

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I feel the German flagged poster above is a certain Indian. Tries to communicate with you in a certain way that a certain Indian does.

 

[Stuttgart001]

I feel the Germain flagged poster above is a certain Indian. Tries to communicate with you in a certain way that a certain Indian does.

LOL，the way by which you define who's Chinese is too arbitrary.

Watch the news and do some research and take a notice of what the leaders of China have said and done.
The world is too complex to assert that anyone who opposes DPRK's nuclear program must be an Indian.

And an indian definitely do not know what a huge threaten of nuclear radiation to the Chinese northeastern people.
An indian also does not know Korea War has no business to China in North Korea' textbook.
An indian does not know Korean soldier kidnapped our fishermen and blackmail their poor family.
There are a lot of things that every Chinese could get from Chinese media.
It looks like you do not know these things , but I will not assume you are an indian or a north korean.

Yesterday, DPRK sent a mail to ASEAN and ask for help .
Why ASEAN not China?
Shouldn't China have more capability of helping her than ASEAN?

 

[Place Of Space]

LOL，the way by which you define who's Chinese is too arbitrary.

Watch the news and do some research and take a notice of what the leaders of China have said and done.
The world is too complex to assert that anyone who opposes DPRK's nuclear program must be an Indian.

And an indian definitely do not know what a huge threaten of nuclear radiation to the Chinese northeastern people.
An indian also does not know Korea War has no business to China in North Korea' textbook.
An indian does not know Korean soldier kidnapped our fishermen and blackmail their poor family.
There are a lot of things that every Chinese could get from Chinese media.
It looks like you do not know these things , but I will not assume you are an indian or a north korean.

Yesterday, DPRK sent a mail to ASEAN and ask for help .
Why ASEAN not China?
Shouldn't China have more capability of helping her than ASEAN?

China won't help Kim until he clearly states his strategy and credibility to China. When Kim killed his uncle Jang Sung Taek, who was the most influential pro-China group leader, Kim had already lost trust. Korea has dozen million of population, I believe they can find a better leader other than Kim III.

On the issue of nuclear weapons and the fat boy, China and America can cooperate. But China won't agree America troops forward on the north and toppled its government.

 

[Stuttgart001]

Korea has dozen million of population, I believe they can find a better leader other than Kim III.

At this moment, North Korean people have no ability to pick up their leader. Let China help them find one.
Compared to Kim Jung un, it is so easy to be better one.
Kim Jung un may have the feeling that someone could support his exiled elder brother to replace him, so he poisoned his brother in advance.

On the issue of nuclear weapons and the fat boy, China and America can cooperate. But China won't agree America troops forward on the north and toppled its government.

Yes. China should neutralise the DPRK army and stablize the governance and control the nukes and feed the North Korean to prevent a refugee wave.

 

[Place Of Space]

At this moment, North Korean people have no ability to pick up their leader. Let China help them find one.
Compared to Kim Jung un, it is so easy to be better one.
Kim Jung un may have the feeling that someone could support his exiled elder brother to replace him, so he poisoned his brother in advance.

Yes. China should neutralise the DPRK army and stablize the governance and control the nukes and feed the North Korean to prevent a refugee wave.

Dear, what you said is not Chinese business.

 

[Stuttgart001]

Dear, what you said is not Chinese business.

North Korean are told that it is their great savior Kim ll-sung the grandfather of Kim Jong un led the invincible and fearless and powerful PKA defeat the despicable and brutal US Imperialists and its dog SOK independently. So plain people of DPRK do not know China used to fight (accurately save) for them 70 years ago.

The graves of our soldiers in DPRK were destroyed when Kim Jone ll the father of Kim Jong un didn't get China's support for his nuclear program.

Oh, I have made a mistake. Not all the graves except one that is Mao Anyin. Because Chinese ambassador would sweep his tomb every year.

 

[cnleio]

We could help to "solve" North Korea's nuclear problem. "Solve North Korea" is not allowed, but China should prepare for the very bad seriousness of "Solve North Korea". If America and South Korea go mad, though the ratio is very small. China need to arrange 1, war expenditure on Korea peninsula, 2, stop refugees flood 3. Army enter into North Korea, 4. Build up a new leadership in Korea.

LOL ... i do think the 'solve' for BeiJing now, it's they allow U.S Navy bomb N.Korea's nuclear facilities, or BeiJing send PLA to bomb them ? I say again, 20 years before BeiJing already lost political control to Pyongyang ... if political diplomacy can't deal with N.Korea nuclear crisis, left is the bombing. The past 20 years BeiJing just missed many chance to end N.Korea nuclear crisis (playing 20-year-Tai Chi), does Beijing willing to see N.Korea + S.Korea + Japan all developing Nukes ? Or keep stay Denuclearization to above three countries after U.S.A bombing N.Korea's nuclear facilities ? or BeiJing will send PLA to bomb their nuclear facilities ?

My word it's, BeiJing won't complain about U.S Navy bomb N.Korea's nuclear facilities, after bomb BeiJing still wanna business with U.S and good friendship.

 

[Place Of Space]

LOL ... i do think the 'solve' for BeiJing now, it's they allow U.S Navy bomb N.Korea's nuclear facilities, or BeiJing send PLA to bomb them ?

Promise Korea safety, ask him to eliminate the nuclear program and dispose all nuclear weapons.

 

[cnleio]

Promise Korea safety, ask him to eliminate the nuclear program and dispose all nuclear weapons.

When USSR asked China Mao to eliminate China nuclear program and dispose China nuclear weapons ... does Chinese agree it ? The N.Korean will do the same thing. I'm 100% sure the chaos caused by war in Korean Peninsula is inescapable, just watch when U.S fire the N.Korea nuclear crisis !

BeiJing's 'Harmonious Policy' will face to go broke after Korean Peninsula War, BeiJing won't fight with U.S.A in Korean Peninsula at most provide arms & logistics from China to N.Korea ... until to Kim collapse.

 

[Stuttgart001]

Promise Korea safety, ask him to elimilate the nuclear program and dispose all nuclear weapons.

China has given this promise but Kim Jong ll and Kim Jong un do not accept it.
The problem is Kim family want to rule North Korea forever. But he also knows his country is very poor and so dependent on China's supply.
Kim and his father want more from China, but China wouldn't like to feed 20 million people for free and forever. Instead China hopes DPRK makes reforms and opening-up and develops its economy just as what China did 40 years ago.
The Kims and other top officials do know the real situation of DPRK. Kims know DPRK need reform.

But Kim and his father also know that as soon as DPRK starts to reform and open, brainwashing people would be impossible and the Kim family's rule would end.

So Kim Jong un and his father are also in a dilemma. Family interest or national interest?

And they choose to protect their family interest by owning nukes.

If Kim has the nukes, he could blackmail the world for much more without opening the country.

That is why DPRK such a poor country under China's nuclear umbrella has been pursuing nuclear weapons so crazily for so many years.

In one word, DPRK is kidnapped by Kim family.

Kim Jong un knows China is willing to protect DPRK as an independent state but Kim'rule.
So if there is someone who want to end the family rule in DPRK and change its policy to be a open and normal country.
China must be glad to see it.
And that's why his uncle in law Jang Sung Taek and elder brother Kim Jong nan got killed.