No J-10B for PAF | A.C Khalid, calls for a focus on 5th generation platform instead.

[Rahil khan]

So let's put aside the J-10 issue. My question is that what would be the ideal strength of F-16s PAF shall desire to have in its hands. 100 or 150 plus?? If i am not wrong we still have got an option to 18 more Block 52+ from US...can we get them even if manage to pay that amount of money ? Plus if we got used F-16s in near future, would we be able to have them MLU'd to meet our modern warfare requirements ??

 

[Fahad Khan 2]

why not buying some f-16 from turkey because its moving to f-35?

 

[CIC/Bridge]

I think Pakistan will buy the J-10B, otherwise there will be no new aircraft can use situation, JF17block2 needs the J-10 to contend with it, before the fourth generation fighter aircraft service we need a transition. Not only JF17 block3

 

[khanboy007]

IMO we should be looking onto a 5th gen fighter by the next 4 years......we should never ever mistake ourselves by keeping only india in sight and present comparisons against it.....

it should be twin engined this time

at this point of time as turkey is in for some 100 F-35's we can also opt for their F-16's

a stealth fighter like the J-XX could be an option too.....

China – J-XX Stealth Jets

https://defence.pk/threads/j-xx-5th-generation-fighter-china.5119/

 

[Fahad Khan 2]

So let's put aside the J-10 issue. My question is that what would be the ideal strength of F-16s PAF shall desire to have in its hands. 100 or 150 plus?? If i am not wrong we still have got an option to 18 more Block 52 from US...can we get them even if manage to pay that amount of money ? Plus if we got used F-16s in near future, would we be able to have them MLU'd to meet our modern warfare requirements ??

150 just a wet dream may be we can touch 100 but thats also looks hard..

 

[CIC/Bridge]

why not buying some f-16 from turkey because its moving to f-35?

Turkey has a strong air force. They won't sell it to Pakistan. The transfer is not so easy. There is no precedent in the past

why not buying some f-16 from turkey because its moving to f-35?

 

[Fahad Khan 2]

PAF plan is to increase current inventory of JF-17 and upgrading F-16..... We can see some thing new after 2018.....

Turkey has a strong air force. They won't sell it to Pakistan. The transfer is not so easy. There is no precedent in the past

Even if Turkey want to sell it will have to get permission from USA....

 

[NKVD]

Lets just talk for the present , shall we. !!

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[Yeti]

Like the chap mentioned it will be a decision going above him, it is just his wishful thinking. But yes the Thunder packs a lot of punch for the price it makes sense to work on this being cost-effective but with India getting the FGFA the F-16's and Thunders would pale in ability so they would need to look at 5th gen fighters at some point.

 

[PakEye]

Yes, Right Direction jf17 entered in Block-II phase and our keen focus on continues work on jf-17 promotion for 5th Generation is only way for PAF self reliance in the field of fighter plane production industry.

 

[GR!FF!N]

if I'm not wrong,even J-31 would cost somewhere near $100 million(I'm just predicting as there is no way to know what cost a Chinese 5th gen will have.but then,a T-50 costs over $100 millions and F-35 over/around $150 million.I'm thinking it'll be cheaper than F-35 and T-50).but even then,getting a J-31 will be a great problem,as they'll cost as much as 3 JF-17s.getting a sizable number of 5th gen and maintaining them will need a good economy as well as hefty defence budget.

 

[Informant]

There's nothing on the planet that can counter the PAK FA T-50 except the F-22. At least not in the next 25 years.

And then the cost of a 5th gen fighter isn't peanuts. Pakistan would need to wait till its economy grows to afford these high tech toys. So up-gradations are a viable cost effective proposition where Pakistan is concerned. India too is upgrading its Mirage, Jaguar and Su 30 fleets.

No T-200, J-2X can and does counter it

if I'm not wrong,even J-31 would cost somewhere near $100 million(I'm just predicting as there is no way to know what cost a Chinese 5th gen will have.but then,a T-50 costs over $100 millions and F-35 over/around $150 million.I'm thinking it'll be cheaper than F-35 and T-50).but even then,getting a J-31 will be a great problem,as they'll cost as much as 3 JF-17s.getting a sizable number of 5th gen and maintaining them will need a good economy as well as hefty defence budget.

Nopes, mind you this is Chinese we're speaking off and we're Pakistanis. They have soft corner for us ( for whatever reasons) and we're grateful. $100 min for j20 might sound alright not J-31. It's like F22 vs F-35. $200 million plus vs $100million plus. The fact being this is Chinese so reduce price by half.

 

[Kompromat]

It is quite possible that the 5th generation option for the PAF may not be materializing before another 8+ years. These things are quite complex and lot of factors are involved and need a lot of time, resource and effort to stabilize and iron out.

By that time some squadrons of Rafale would most likely have been delivered to the IAF.
Maybe more than just some.

PAF would again be in a lagging position as it had found itself in the pre-bvr period in the past viz-a-viz the IAF.
PAF would then be for a while again very hard pressed (to put it mildly) to counter the Rafa - MKI combo.

It is for that period and also for a sanction free 4+ generation viable option ... that the FC-20 (with AESA radar) should not be totally written off from the PAF acquisition plans ... and I do not believe that it is totally off the PAF acquisition radar ... just delayed ... due to paucity of funds.

However if the Rafale delivery gets delayed significantly then there really would be no need for the FC-20 anymore.

Just my humble 2 cents.

AESA for Indian rafales is not guaranteed yet, even if its the JF-17 Block-III would be in production by that time and might carry an AESA.

 

[GR!FF!N]

Nopes, mind you this is Chinese we're speaking off and we're Pakistanis. They have soft corner for us ( for whatever reasons) and we're grateful. $100 min for j20 might sound alright not J-31. It's like F22 vs F-35. $200 million plus vs $100million plus. The fact being this is Chinese so reduce price by half.

you mean you're expecting China will sell you a 5th gen jet at some $50-60 million range??even French Rafale and Typhoon costs more.

 

[Kompromat]

These planes are necessary for Pakistan！The fourth generation fighter called “J31” or the other name called “
AMF” won’t Massive imports.or so 30.WE

need 100+ J10B and 100+ JF17

PAF may be keen on buying up more surplus F-16s as they are easier to induct and operate, given the vast experiance it has with those jets. The JF-17 program will go on along the lines. In a recent interview i conducted with a PAF expert, the same narrative was repeated that there is no immediate need for J-10B for PAF especially when no Chinese origin reliable powerplant is forthcoming and at this particular juncture, PAF doesn't have surplus resources to mount another procurement drive.

you mean you're expecting China will sell you a 5th gen jet at some $50-60 million range??even French Rafale and Typhoon costs more.

We don't know anything about the pricing yet. PAF has more than a decade to plan and save up for a 5th generation buy. When JF-17, Mushak exports start to occur, it would become slightly easier along with increasing defense budget.