Featured Project Azm: Pakistan's Ambitious Quest to Develop 5th Generation Military Technologies.

[Indos]

See here KFX/IFX program uses complete F 22 design

 

[Horse_Rider]

LM doesnt involve for C 100 and C 103 design. They joined the program later in 2016. Better you read the history before drawing conclution.

Current Design of KF21 is developed by ADD Korea and Indonesian Aerospace but they do use F22 as inspiration. The same like every UCAV MALE shows similarity like US Predator MALE UCAV.

Korean Aerospace and LM does have contribution to refine C 103 into C 109 design. But as you can see on C 100 design, they look precisely like current design.

Here the story between 2011-2014. You can use English translation

Program KFX/IFX Dilanjutkan, Pemerintah Diminta Segera Memilih Desain

Angkasa Online - Majalah Aviasi dan Militer

web.archive.org

Or you can read Wikipedia

I don't need to read wiki pedia on this. I believe I know a few things about your stealth fighter jet program. Kindly read the bold parts above and put two and two together and refer to your pics. The reason you guys brought in LM was to draw from their expertise and reuse features for better build, not to distribute Tteokbokki, Gimbap or Gamja . They will create export oriented features from the F-22 or F-35 program and it would be a quicker implementation. 감사합니다

 

[Indos]

I don't need to read wiki pedia on this. I believe I know a few things about your stealth fighter jet program. Kindly read the bold parts above and put two and two together and refer to your pics. The reason you guys brought in LM was to draw from their expertise and reuse features for better build, not to distribute Tteokbokki, Gimbap or Gamja . They will create export oriented features from the F-22 or F-35 program and it would be a quicker implementation. 감사합니다

Of course KAI Korea needs LM

This LM is invited in 2014

S. Korea Wants Lockheed To Invest in Fighter Plan

Mar. 29, 2014 - 02:21PM |
By JUNG SUNG-KI |

South Korea has chosen to purchase the F-35 for its stealth capabilities, dropping an option to buy Boeing's F-15 Silent Eagle. (US Air Force)

SEOUL — South Korea will ask Lockheed Martin to invest in the country’s KF-X fighter jet development project as part of offset deals over its selection of the F-35 joint strike fighter.

The Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) made a final decision March 24 to buy 40 F-35As through the US Foreign Military Sales program.

A final contract on the deal will be signed by September, according to the arms agency, with the first delivery in 2018. The deal is expected to be worth around 7.4 trillion won ($6.8 billion).

Seoul redrew the terms of a $7.8 billion tender to buy 60 fighters last year after dropping an option to buy Boeing’s F-15 Silent Eagle in favor of purchasing a fighter with stealth capabilities. Seoul subsequently reduced the purchase to an initial 40 planes.

“The final price will be determined through negotiations between the South Korean and US governments,” DAPA spokesman Baek Yoon-hyung said. “We hope a final price will be reached by the end of this summer.”

“We are honored by and appreciate the trust and confidence the Republic of Korea has placed in the fifth-generation F-35 to meet its demanding security requirements,” said Orlando Carvalho, Lockheed Martin Aeronautics executive vice president. “We look forward to supporting the discussions between the Republic of Korea and US governments in support of a final agreement this year.”

Randy Howard, director of Lockheed’s F-35 business development, said he expects the F-35’s cost to take a downward path that will lead to a unit recurring flyaway cost for an F-35A of between US $80 million to $85 million.

But South Korean officials are cautious about Lockheed’s estimate. “It appears that Lockheed presupposes the best scenario for the progress of the F-35 program,” a Defense Ministry source said.

Both governments and Lockheed will start “two-track negotiations” on the price and offset package deals this week.

In the offset discussions, Seoul plans to ask Lockheed to shoulder as much as 20 percent of the KF-X development costs, according to multiple military sources.

The KF-X program is aimed at developing an F-16-class jet after 2023 in partnership with foreign governments and companies. Indonesia joined the program to cover 20 percent of the cost, estimated to be around $8.4 billion. Seoul is supposed to fund 60 percent.

“Our focus is to receive quality technology for the KF-X development,” said Jung Kwang-sun, head of DAPA’s Aircraft Business Department. “Should a partner company invest in a joint development project, it could be more responsible for the project concerned.”

Jung referred to the contract for the T-50 joint development program between South Korea and Lockheed. Under the contract, Lockheed covered 13 percent of the cost of developing the trainer jet, while the government and Korea Aerospace Industries shouldered 70 percent and 17 percent, respectively.

A Lockheed spokesperson said there has been no decision on the company’s investment in the KF-X. Lockheed has offered to provide more than 300 man-years’ worth of engineering expertise in assisting Seoul in designing KF-X.

The F-35 builder also will offer more than 500,000 pages of technical documentation derived from the F-16, F-35 and F-22, another stealth combat jet built by the US company.

But direct investment is a hard option for Lockheed to choose, said Yang Wook, a research member of the Korea Defense and Security Forum, based here.

“The KF-X is very different from the T-50,” Yang said. “Unlike the trainer, a KF-X could be a potential competitor with existing mid-sized fighter jets, including Lockheed Martin’s F-16.”

He said Lockheed could fall into a dilemma over how much it can and should support the KF-X, which has been troubled for years over budget and specifications.

At a time when South Korea is considering leasing secondhand US F-16s to help fill a potential vacuum in its air power caused by delays in fighter acquisition programs, including the KF-X, Lockheed doesn’t have a good reason to be in a rush to aid the KF-X program, Yang said.

Global Hawks
On top of the F-35, South Korea announced it would buy four RQ-4 Global Hawk unmanned aircraft built by Northrop Grumman for about $814 million, with first delivery by 2018. DAPA said it will sign a letter of acceptance with the US government this month before starting formal negotiations.

The South Korean military will use the high-flying spy drones to monitor key targets in North Korea as part of its “Kill Chain” missile defense system, which is designed to detect signs of impending missile attacks and launch pre-emptive attacks.

“The high-altitude UAV is the key weapons system for the Kill Chain by monitoring North Korea around the clock to detect early signs of provocations,” the agency said in a statement.

The Global Hawk can fly at an altitude of 18,000 meters (about 59,000 feet) or higher for 36 hours. With an operational range of 3,000 kilometers, it is capable of covering not only all of North Korea, but also parts of China and other neighboring countries. ■

 

[Indos]

That F16 class Design is rejected and KFX/IFX design uses double engine design developed by ADD Korea and Indonesian Aerospace that already developed the plane since 2011.

Check again the year 2012

 

[Horse_Rider]

That F16 class Design is rejected and KFX/IFX design uses double engine design developed by ADD Korea and Indonesian Aerospace that already developed the plane since 2011.

Check again the year 2012

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Yes, you are saying what I've already said. LM's involvement and fighter jets' design told me all about the expectation. It would have reduced features borrowed from the F-35 and F-22 systems. F-16 had to be dropped as it's not a stealth optimized design by any means.
In China - Pakistan's case, that's not the case. J-20 redesign towards a J-10C airframe would keep its stealthy features intact with may be changes to air-inlet options.

 

[python-000]

The Best option PAF...

 

[Al_Muhannad]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1607379196644401157

 

[White and Green with M/S]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1607379196644401157

What the fcuk this thread is for discussing project AZM not Chinese system lol

 

[Al_Muhannad]

What the fcuk this thread is for discussing project AZM not Chinese system lol

I dump all the relevant technical developments I find interesting here. AZM is/was not solely targeting 5th generation aircrafts.

 

[ghazi52]

First Prototype TFX in assembly line......

 

[python-000]

i don't know why But i have a strong feeling that PAF soon Consider Ground Based J-35 as its new 5th Generation Fighter Jet...

 

[Ali_Baba]

i don't know why But i have a strong feeling that PAF soon Consider Ground Based J-35 as its new 5th Generation Fighter Jet...
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I think PAF is leaning towards TFX as a means of diversification (fleet wide dependency on China would be a problem interms of security - Currently China occupies the middle-tier and lower tiers via the J10CE and JF17 respectfully) and a desire to maintain access to western systems and technologies that may be still possible on the TFX but not on the J-35.

Pakistan for certain will induct the TFX (unless some lingering ITAR issues kick in - appreciate TFX has a non-ITAR route once the engine is sorted out) - the recent procure of Turkish platforms across Naval, Air(drones/uavs), Land(the stalled T-129 deal) does suggest that Pakistan will diversify and build up what it considers to be western technology via Turkey.

That does not mean that there is no future for the J-35 in Pakistan if the J-31 actually "goes anywhere" but it will always play second fiddle to the PAF's new "first love" of the TFX programme.

There has been some progress/movement of the J-31 to J-35 and possible induction into the chinese armed forces - its future prospects will remain unclear until some more official chinese miliary signia's are planted on them..

 

[Basel]

J-10CP based stealthy airframe? So a canard-delta wing design, i.e the J-20?

If (a big one) PAF want to take F-18 (stealthy aircraft) type route then both JFT or J-10 can be redesigned and updated, for J-10 a F-16XL based wing design (allowing deletion of canards) will be better option

 

[White and Green with M/S]

I dump all the relevant technical developments I find interesting here. AZM is/was not solely targeting 5th generation aircrafts.

Your post are irrelevant to this thread and this thread only discuss project AZM THE 5TH GEN AIRCRAFT
NOT OTHER RELATED SYSTEM LIKE MALE UCAV

SO FIRST READ THE FORUM RULES AND THEN POST DUDE

 

[Abid123]

Your post are irrelevant to this thread and this thread only discuss project AZM THE 5TH GEN AIRCRAFT
NOT OTHER RELATED SYSTEM LIKE MALE UCAV

SO FIRST READ THE FORUM RULES AND THEN POST DUDE

You can tell him in a nice way.