‘New wine shops, conspiracy to destroy youth’

[into the wild]

This crime, if you call it that would save us from bigger crimes and other social problems. Criminals sell alchohol in our society and they raise money this way to commit crimes. The Taliban as you might be aware sold alchohol to raise funds.

Similarly if it was legal, we would not be faced with increasing amount of health problems that occur when people buy from dubious sources or ones made at home.

There is reasoning for everything, we cannot and must not remain bound by mindset of a few.

one crime doesnt save another crime..

crime is to sell drugs, making drugs legalise doesnt make the crime solved.. the solution is to strictly use the laws..

its human nature to go towards bad things, alcohol is a bad thing, its like a drug, if you legalise a drug, the open market will attract more users

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I think the issue at hand is

#1 People fear that Alcohol sales will change Pakistan
And some how, it will become a differnt country
and some how it will endanger our Islamic connection

Fact
Alcohol is already in Pakistan in blackmarkets , available to any Youth
who wants to buy it , its smuggled in , no taxes are paid , and sometimes ppl get sick by drinking this cheap stuff. Its not like something new is being introduced

Fact
Alcohol is also available underground in Saudi Arabi

#2 Second issue

There are more harmful item available in Pakistan

a) Drugs , Heroin , Injected ***** , spreading aids
b) Tainted milk , and tainted food items

Also one has to remember, that minorities have legal right to drink the beverage. Also there is no legal ground that any one else should be not allowed.

Seperation of state and religion is what is the 'point of conflict'


Remember anything taken in excess is wrong even PEPSI /Coke gives you sugar problems so lets ban PEPSI / Coke as well


I think the proper response is , great you want to open a shop or legalize it fine , I won't buy it - End of story

Or ... you vote in elections to ban Alcohol again next election make it a debatable issue to vote on

OOOOO JUB DEMAND HAI TO SHOP TO KHOLNA PARE GI ...

 

[T-Faz]

one crime doesnt save another crime..

crime is to sell drugs, making drugs legalise doesnt make the crime solved.. the solution is to strictly use the laws..

If drugs were legalised, would you buy them?

 

[into the wild]

If drugs were legalised, would you buy them?

so why arent they legalised?? by US federal laws, by european laws and international laws drugs are prohibited, now u say drug trade should be legalised??

 

[T-Faz]

so why arent they legalised?? by US federal laws, by european laws and international laws drugs are prohibited, now u say drug trade should be legalised??

A simple yes or no would suffice?

Or better yet, if alchohol was legal, would you buy it?

More relevant to the topic.

 

[into the wild]

Also one has to remember, that minorities have legal right to drink the beverage. Also there is no legal ground that any one else should be not allowed.

see perfect example, pakistan gives rights to the minorities, minorities can have the life as it suits them.

Remember anything taken in excess is wrong even PEPSI /Coke gives you sugar problems so lets ban PEPSI / Coke as well

but coke is not a drug like alcohol. when you dring alcohol you lose your senses, nobody lose senses by drinking pepsi.. if you are addicted to alcohol you can die of excess alcoholism..

I think the proper response is , great you want to open a shop or legalize it fine , I won't buy it - End of story

fine you dont buy it, but many young people will be allured towards it.
also for eg many depressed people will like to drink alcohol.

Or ... you vote in elections to ban Alcohol again next election make it a debatable issue to vote on

this issue is not debatable issue, pakistanis think alcohol is prohibitted is islam, as alcohol is already prohibitted by law.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

see perfect example, pakistan gives rights to the minorities, minorities can have the life as it suits them.



but coke is not a drug like alcohol. when you dring alcohol you lose your senses, nobody lose senses by drinking pepsi.. if you are addicted to alcohol you can die of excess alcoholism..



fine you dont buy it, but many young people will be allured towards it.
also for eg many depressed people will like to drink alcohol.



this issue is not debatable issue, pakistanis think alcohol is prohibitted is islam, as alcohol is already prohibitted by law.

PEPSI/Coke is more dangerous to health why are there so many sugar patients in Pakistan ???

10 tea spoons of sugar is in these PEPSI/COKE

And caffine is addictive !!! Ban that

Problem ho jai go ...

I would like to believe that Pakistan is special place away from influence of alcohol but reality is that Alcohol has been present in all times and places just have to teach kids what to do or not to do ....

Correct approach is fine , open it , next election I will vote to close it down again

My stance is like it does not bother me I have no interest I am ok with my glass of water as long as its clean water

 

[into the wild]

PEPSI/Coke is more dangerous to health why are there so many sugar patients in Pakistan ???

10 tea spoons of sugar is in these PEPSI/COKE

And caffine is addictive !!! Ban that

Problem ho jai go ...

I would like to believe that Pakistan is special place away from influence of alcohol but reality is that Alcohol has been present in all times and places just have to teach kids what to do or not to do ....

Correct approach is fine , open it , next election I will vote to close it down again

can you compare coca cola to vodka, if not, than why???

u can give coca cola to a baby, can you give vodka to a baby??

i would agree on banning the cigerettes too.. now plzz mods dont say, hey buddy u pass fatwa on cigerettes

 

[Cheetah786]

$220mn alcohol sale brings cheer to the government
KARACHI: Pakistan earned $220mn on export of 0.3mn tonnes of alcohol up to October 31 while another 50,000 tonnes of alcohol is expected to be exported during the November-December period.
Pakistan, where alcohol consumption by Muslims is banned by law, produced 2.6mn tonnes of molasses during the 2007-08 sugarcane crushing season and on adding 50,000 tons of carry-over stocks at terminals and an equal quantity at the mills, the total available stocks of molasses stood at 2.761mn tonnes.
Industry and export sources say since conversion ratio of molasses to alcohol stands at 5:1 (five tonnes of molasses required to produce one tonne of alcohol), the estimated requirement of distilleries stood at 1.65mn tonnes for molasses.
The sources said alcohol prices in the world market remained on the upper side during 2008 which enabled Islamabad to earn more foreign exchange through exports. After touching around $800 per tonne, alcohol prices receded back to $600 per tonne.
Consequently, on exporting around 312,000 tonnes up to October 31, 2008, at an average price of $725 per tonne, Pakistan managed to earn around $220mn through export of alcohol.
According to industry sources, the country exported 190,585 tonnes of alcohol last year (2006-07) and earned $112mn at an average price $550 per tonne.
“With the advent of each sugarcane crushing season, Pakistan had been exporting millions of tonnes of molasses at throwaway prices to European countries and Japan,” Kasim Hashim, the chairman of the Terminal Association of Pakistan, said. However, for the last several years it is being converted into three grades of alcohol – fuel or anhydrous, neutral or extra neutral and industrial or rectified ethanol Hashim said presently 16 distilleries are operating in Pakistan at 60% capacity although as more and more distilleries are coming up every year, there has been a constant rise in export of alcohol.
During 2004, Pakistan exported 99,711 tonnes of alcohol, but in the subsequent year, the figure jumped to 122,104 tonnes. After exporting around 255,812 tonnes last year (2007), Pakistan is now poised to export a record volume of 350,000 tonnes of alcohol this year (2008), he maintained. He said around 9,000 tonnes of alcohol had been exported this year through ISO containers which were the latest method for haulage of liquid cargo.
Hashim said that ISO containers/tank are filled with alcohol from distilleries and loaded on trailers for direct loading on to ships. These tanks are air-tight and expensive because they are first cleaned by steam and are used only after survey is carried out. The industry is encouraging use of ISO tanks because they are fast for haulage of liquid cargo and are also easy to handle.
Presently they are mostly reaching Dubai, but in coming years will encourage their use for Middle East and Africa, he added.

Gulf Times ? Qatar?s top-selling English daily newspaper - Pakistan/Afghanistan

 

[Skies]

And caffine is addictive !!! Ban that

LoL, You are missing something here.

Caffeine stimulates the brain and behavior while alcohol depresses our nervous system/brain. Use of 75-150 mg of caffeine elevates neural activity in many parts of the brain, postpones fatigue, and enhances performance at simple intellectual tasks and at physical work that involves endurance but not fine motor coordination. And alcohol is a central nervous system depressant and it is the central nervous system which is the bodily system that is most severely affected by alcohol. The degree to which the central nervous system function is impaired is directly proportional to the concentration of alcohol in the blood.


BTW, A country seems incomplete without alcohol, lol.

 

[sparklingway]

And alcohol is a central nervous system depressant and it is the central nervous system which is the bodily system that is most severely affected by alcohol. The degree to which the central nervous system function is impaired is directly proportional to the concentration of alcohol in the blood.

Should I state the medical benefits from moderate use of alcohol then?

The USDA documented what's been known for years. Moderate drinking offers health benefits. Those who use alcohol wisely have fewer heart attacks, strokes and are less likely to die than teetotallers.

The cardioprotective benefits of alcohol primarily apply to men over 45 years of age and women over 55. For these people moderate drinking decreased the risk of heart attack by 20 to 40 percent and for stroke 45 percent.

But there are other surprising benefits. A report from Johns Hopkins University stresses non-cardiac benefits of alcohol.

For instance, 8,500 men between the ages of 30 and 79, were evaluated at a Texas clinic. Those who consumed from 5 to 10 drinks a week had a much lower risk of developing Type 2 diabetes than those who consumed less.

A German study of 1,800 people revealed another interesting fact. We now know that the Heliobacter organism causes 90 percent of stomach ulcers. Researchers discovered that as alcohol consumption increased, the chance of this organism being present decreased. But just as there's a reasonable speed limit for cars is mandatory, there's also an upper limit for alcohol use. For women it's one drink a day and two for men.

 

[hahahaha]

This is utter non sense.. wine shops will destroy your youth but terrorists camps won't.. bull crap

 

[mughaljee]

who gave this permission ?

 

[kugga]

A simple yes or no would suffice?

Or better yet, if alchohol was legal, would you buy it?

More relevant to the topic.

You know that drinking Alchohol is not allowed in Islam... I know it's not allowed so why are you trying to make it legal... I agree with you that if someone is not drinking it already will not drink it even if it's legal... but if something , some bad thing, is going on under the cover why you want it to uncover it ?? let it happen under the cover anyone who wants to drink still has access to it.... but no body talks about it openly that's the advantage being it illegal

 

[Old School]

A lot of Pakistanis do not buy/drink alcohol in the UK where it is widely available. It all goes down to the personal choices.