NEW Province : Assembly Passes Resolution . !!

[Sugarcane]

Urdu has influenced to dilute your local languages and this is a fact. We are seeing a growing trend, in new generations.
Urdu language is basically Hindi... No wonder why the world thinks we are no different from Indian people.

What has Indian linguistics got to do with the rest: Punjab, Sindh, Pakhtunkhwaha, Balochistan, Kashmir?

To be fair, i say we need to develop a new national language, a mixture that is, that represents all the provinces of Pakistan....

I doubt you knows Urdu and have any idea about local languages of Pakistan.........

Go check out Hebrew language for Israel and see how long it took.

Go and check out the population size and literacy rate of Israel

 

[DRaisinHerald]

Go check out Hebrew language for Israel and see how long it took.

More than half a century to be of any use, and another quarter~ century for it become a proper literary and common day language We got neither the time, the patience or the need to do that.

You're one of the odd few out of 180m that hate Urdu. Also, if you're talking about foreigners, they think all South languges sounds the same, be it Pashto, Sindhi, Konkani or Tamil.

Go and check out the population size and literacy rate of Israel

More importantly, the fact that they had no language that was properly theirs. All languages the Jews spoke were offshoots of other languages; eg. Yiddish which was basically German with modifications and a small set of different vocabulary and Ladino which was basically Spanish.
They needed a language, we on the other hand already have one, and a really beautiful one at that. Too bad most people are so indulged in English to realise it.

 

[Edevelop]

I doubt you knows Urdu.........




Go and check out the population size and literacy rate of Israel

If you belong to a native province of Pakistan such as Punjab or Balochistan, please tell me how many of your ancestors spoke Urdu? You'll be amazed with the results....

I can't believe you'd like Urdu so much. I have never come across any person living in Iran that would dislike their national language. You my man have surprised me.

Nothing is impossible in this world....
LOL Black Sudanese, and Somalians who are one of the poorest people on earth have even learned to speak Arabic from Arabs.
So your literacy rate argument is false.

 

[Edevelop]

More than half a century to be of any use, and another quarter~ century for it become a proper literary and common day language We got neither the time, the patience or the need to do that.

You're one of the odd few out of 180m that hate Urdu. Also, if you're talking about foreigners, they think all South languges sounds the same, be it Pashto, Sindhi, Konkani or Tamil.



More importantly, the fact that they had no language that was properly theirs. All languages the Jews spoke were offshoots of other languages; eg. Yiddish which was basically German with modifications and a small set of different vocabulary and Ladino which was basically Spanish.
They needed a language, we on the other hand already have one, and a really beautiful one at that. Too bad most people are so indulged in English to realise it.

Bottom line.
Urdu language has never been in Pakistan for more than 65 years. It is my opinion not to nationalize it. My belief was to create a language mixing of all the the provinces. Your German example is an example of a creation. .... You should believe that nothing is impossible. i would advise you must at least have a belief in something efficient that will not let it ruin our local languages that have been around for centuries. If not then i don't know what your up against...

 

[Sugarcane]

If you belong to a native province of Pakistan such as Punjab or Balochistan, please tell me how many of your ancestors spoke Urdu? You'll be amazed with the results....

I can't believe you'd like Urdu so much. I have never come across any person living in Iran that would dislike their national language. You my man have surprised me.

I love my native language but as being hard-core nationalist Urdu has special place in my heart and i feel proud on it. And don't assume that everyone living outside is of your type. And please explain red part.

Nothing is impossible in this world....
LOL Black Sudanese, and Somalians who are one of the poorest people on earth have even learned to speak Arabic from Arabs.
So your literacy rate argument is false.

So, They have invented new language called arabic...... And what's you point to invent new language when we are discussing formation of new provinces? are you trying to say that we must forget our native languages?

Bottom line.
Urdu language has never been in Pakistan for more than 65 years. It is my opinion not to nationalize it. My belief was to create a language mixing of all the the provinces. Your German example is an example of a creation. .... You should believe that nothing is impossible. i would advise you must at least have a belief in something efficient that will not let it ruin our local languages that have been around for centuries. If not then i don't know what your up against...

Pakistan has never been here for more than 65 years.............

 

[Edevelop]

Pakistan has never been here for more than 65 years.............

When i say Pakistan, i say
P Punjab, A Afghania K kashmir S Sindh TAN for Balochistan which has been more independent than just 200 years of British rule.

 

[DRaisinHerald]

If you belong to a native province of Pakistan such as Punjab or Balochistan, please tell me how many of your ancestors spoke Urdu? You'll be amazed with the results....

My maternal grandmother spoke Urdu before the partition, and my maternal grandfather has spoke Farsi or Dari (not sure which one) in conjunction to Punjabi, and so did his family before him. From my Dad's side, my grandfather also spoke Urdu before partition, and so did his family. Only my paternal grandmother didn't speak Urdu before partition...
Only Farsi/Dari hasn't been passed on, Punjabi which was their native tongue has. Urdu has now also become the major language of the wider family...and none of us got any probs with that..

ruin our local languages that have been around for centuries. If not then i don't know what your up against...

Yeah, I suggest being multi or at least bilingual then...

When i say Pakistan, i say
P Punjab, A Afghania K kashmir S Sindh TAN for Balochistan which has been more independent than just 200 years of British rule.

Not really, before the Britishers, it was the Mughals that kept those units together. And during those times, Farsi and Urdu were the main languages (lingua francas). So Urdu has been around for quite a long time

 

[Edevelop]

I love my native language but as being hard-core nationalist Urdu has special place in my heart and i feel proud on it. And don't assume that everyone living outside is of your type. And please explain red part.




So, They have invented new language called arabic...... And what's you point to invent new language when we are discussing formation of new provinces? are you trying to say that we must forget our native languages?
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The red part says that Iranians are nationalists. I have never come across any Pakistani living in Iran that would like Urdu. Usually, they argue something else like Farsi as Pakistan's national language.

You got me wrong. I'm in favour of keeping local languages the way it is. What i'm against is Urdu being the national language, it is a language that is unfair. My point is to create a language that is 'fair' and that would be a mixture to reflect all of Pakistan;s provinces.

How i relate to new provinces?
If we are going to have new provinces, i wish to see Seriaki spoken in in Seriki homes. It would be a disaster to impose a culture on another linguistic culture that has been around for centuries. Urdu maybe a good language, but not at the cost of forcing it. Every place has its own uniqueness. You don't want to have a bit of little culture that is left converted into Karachi and Lahore. You really don't want to see the world relating Pakistan with India

 

[DRaisinHerald]

You got me wrong. I'm in favour of keeping local languages the way it is. What i'm against is Urdu being the national language, it is a language that is unfair. My point is to create a language that is 'fair' and that would be a mixture to reflect all of Pakistan;s provinces.

Pakistanis speak so many languages...Punjabi, Sindhi, Kashmiri languages, Pashto, Balochi...Urdu...and this last language perfectly connects all of the beads which make up Pakistan.

I'll say it again: we have no need for a new language, and we aren't going to create a new one to please the minority like you. We, the majority, are more than proud of this beautiful language (emphasis on the beautiful).

Also, Urdu being the national language is not Unfair in any way; if you want to perserve your own language then learn it and start speaking it ASAP. Otherwise it's going to fade away into the wind; and frankly we don't really care. I for certain know Punjabi is to stay in Pakistan.

You're really derailing the thread, and nothing else. Suggest you open up a new one with a poll, and you'll get the answer which will hopefully put that zip on your mouth.

 

[Edevelop]

Not really, before the Britishers, it was the Mughals that kept those units together. And during those times, Farsi and Urdu were the main languages (lingua francas). So Urdu has been around for quite a long time

You have it wrong mate. Mughuls failed to gain hold of us. They only came as far as Eastern Punjab. Majority of our population call them heroes and this is the tragedy. They killed some of our Punjabi and pahtun Warriors. The history you read in false. Please educate yourself first.

I agree Farsi was the main language however at the same time you had people speaking their own local language in each province. From my family history, it was Kashmiri (Local) Farsi (taught in schools on national level). I guess everyone had a different case. Urdu from my side was spoken after 47.

 

[Edevelop]

Pakistanis speak so many languages...Punjabi, Sindhi, Kashmiri languages, Pashto, Balochi...Urdu...and this last language perfectly connects all of the beads which make up Pakistan.

I'll say it again: we have no need for a new language, and we aren't going to create a new one to please the minority like you. We, the majority, are more than proud of this beautiful language (emphasis on the beautiful).

Also, Urdu being the national language is not Unfair in any way; if you want to perserve your own language then learn it and start speaking it ASAP. Otherwise it's going to fade away into the wind; and frankly we don't really care. I for certain know Punjabi is to stay in Pakistan.

You're really derailing the thread, and nothing else. Suggest you open up a new one with a poll, and you'll get the answer which will hopefully put that zip on your mouth.

How does Urdu make up Pakistan?
LOl t majority of these people came as late as i the 60s and 70s and make less than 10% of total population.
I don't wish to see Urdu spoken in new provinces. Enough destruction has been seen. For your information, MQM already has been doing that to destroy that and they will be once again prepared.
You're one of the typical inferiority complex kinds of people that think Punjabi and Pashto is 'painduu' . If you think the way it is then, Allah hafiiz.

 

[DRaisinHerald]

You're one of the typical inferior complex kinds of people that think Punjabi and Pashto is 'painduu' . If you think the way it is then, Allah hafiiz.

Now you switch to personal attacks
It looks like it's you that has a paranoia akin to the one suffered by the Bengalis
My family has been speaking so many languages, has practically always been multilingual, hence we are more open to languages, unlike the true paindoos like you who can only cry "destruction destruction" and can't really do anything about it

 

[Sugarcane]

The red part says that Iranians are nationalists. I have never come across any Pakistani living in Iran that would like Urdu. Usually, they argue something else like Farsi as Pakistan's national language

You got me wrong. I'm in favour of keeping local languages the way it is. What i'm against is Urdu being the national language, it is a language that is unfair. My point is to create a language that is 'fair' and that would be a mixture to reflect all of Pakistan;s provinces.

How i relate to new provinces?
If we are going to have new provinces, i wish to see Seriaki spoken in in Seriki homes. It would be a disaster to impose a culture on another linguistic culture that has been around for centuries. Urdu maybe a good language, but not at the cost of forcing it. Every place has its own uniqueness. You don't want to have a bit of little culture that is left converted into Karachi and Lahore. You really don't want to see the world relating Pakistan with India, which in fact have both under british rule for only 200 years...

Yes - Iranians are nationalists and love their national language, So do I. Pakistan has shared culture with Iran, Afghanistan & some parts of India. We have learned Urdu which and comfortable with this beautiful language as being our national language and 99.9999% Pakistanis have no problem with it, 0.0001% are either those who have foreign nationalities or politicians and their paid supporter who don't mind make people fight just to achieve their personal objectives.

Do you know exactly how many languages are spoken in Punjab? What do you think someone is forcing people to speak Urdu in homes? Have Punjabi & Seriki disappeared because of Urdu? Don't you think - you putting a scenario here where you are proposing to create a new alien language and force it on people while objecting that Urdu is forced?

Cultures are preserved by the people itself and it's up to them how they raise their generations and pass values and traditions to them and cultures keep changing with time.

 

[Edevelop]

@ D Hearld and loveicon:

LAHORE: (Tuesday, November 22, 2011): Punjab University Department of Punjabi organized International Punjabi Conference here in the Sherani Hall of Oriental College, Allama Iqbal (Old) Campus on Tuesday. PU Vice-Chancellor Prof Dr Mujahid Kamran, Director General Punjab Institute of Language, Art & Culture (PILAC) Dr Arshad Mahmood, Chairperson Masud Khaddar Posh Trust Shirin Masud, renowned columnist Dr Ajmad Niazi, Principal Oriental College Prof Dr Mazhar Moeen, Prof Dr Khawaja Muhammad Zakriya, Chairman Punjabi Department Prof Dr Asmatullah Zahid, Dr Darshan Singh Bens, Ajaib Singh Chattha, senior faculty members and delegates from around the world were also present on the occasion.

Addressing the ceremony, VC Prof Dr Mujahid Kamran said the knowledge of language was a basic knowledge to convey ideas. Unfortunately, our students lacked to express his/her words exactly either in English or Urdu, he said adding that Punjabi language was not taught to us in schools and at colleges its level was also poor that’s why we faced difficulty in reading or writing Punjabi. He said bureaucracy did not allow establishing any language other than English and it had also created many problems. He said one of the main reasons of decline of Punjabi language was that parents did not transfer it to their children. He said we have to get rid of inferiority complex of considering Punjabi language as a language of illiterate people. Dr Mujahid Kamran said Oriental College was like a crown of the head of Punjab University and he always felt happiness to visit the Oriental College........

University of the Punjab - Conference - Inferiority complex declining Punjabi language: PU VC

So Punjabi is NOT taught in Schools. Are you guys happy now?
This is what happens. when you have Urdu

 

[truthseer]

That's the fault of Punjab. Sindh teaches Sindhi.