New pics of INS Vikramditya

[Skull and Bones]

Personally it depends on why you would like a carrier based fighter. I believe that the main reason that Russian went for the Mig-29K over the Su-33 is to do with the fact they only really wanted the carrier based fighters to provide air cover. They did not plan for using the fighters in an offensive role against ships/land targets. Notice that Russian destroyers carry large numbers of anti-ship missiles whereas US destroyers are more heavily into the anti-air warfare role. The US would rely on fighter/bomber launched anti-ship missiles to attack other ships.

End of the day, the Russians wanted as many fighters as possible to fit into their aircraft carriers and they were willing to sacrifice longer range and weapons load for this aim.

Lol, so wrong..

Long range aircrafts ain't good for carrier operations, as i said earlier that heavier aircraft requires much larger stopping power. Even US is happy with F-18SH and never went for F-15SE. And Mig-29Ks and Su-33s are multirole aircraft, main difference is range and payload. Su-33s are heavy and more maintenance hungry, didn't suit India's requirement.

 

[Roybot]

Japan - you assume a constant geopolitical environment. Japan only has "cover" because the US is the sole superpower. A China that is as strong as the US cannot be deterred from attacking Japan just because it is in alliance in the US. At the end of the day Japan will have to ask itself, will the US risk nuclear destruction in order to save Japan? It will almost certainly conclude no as the Japanese are not even the same race as white Americans. Japan will probably never be allied to the Chinese but more likely will become a neutral state(maybe armed with nuclear weapons for self defence) in order to not to provoke China.

Only if military alliances and treaties worked on the basis of race. Its like saying Russians will dog the Chinese in the case of a war, because they aren't even the same race.

Taiwan - it will be aborbed into China as the Chinese move towards superpower status. Taiwan is only 150 kms from the Chinese coast. The US is 1000's of kms away across the Pacific. Once aircraft like the J-20 are being produced in mass numbers, Taiwan's days are numbered.

And why do you persist in thinking that China is interested in antagonizing India? All it wants is to stop any bullying from the US/West. Unless India joins a US/Nato alliance or attacks China it will have no real bone to pick with India.

Oh I don't know arming Pakistan against India and needling India on issues such as Kashmir is not antagonizing at all. Imagine if tomorrow starts selling missiles to Vietnam. And please J-20 is not some alien technology. Rest of the world isn't exactly sitting their and doing nothing about their own next generation fighter planes. If China takes the aggressive path the world will gang up against it, and it will go down the Nazi Germany way.

 

[Tumba]

So you mean Mig29K is air superiority aircraft rather than Multirole ???Now you started trolling here with shitty explanation man.Check out the above image and its armament ....

its strange ,,, haha ,, this bangladeshis is just throwing some assumptions..

when you are going for an anti ship/ground attack from carrier.. its like... out of 6 fighters ... 3 will be carrying AOA and 3 will be carrying AOG weapons...

Mig - 29K carry bigger amount of fuel than regular Mig - 29SMT ... so its ferry range and much hardened wing structure makes it to carry heavier weapons also...

a Mig-29k is ideally suited for a medium carrier like 45kT to 65KT .. it gives the same capabilities as a Su-33 in terms of range and weapon load when flying from a deck ... that's it....

chinese are going for J-15 coz ... they have already copied Su-27 into J-11... so it will be more closer to thr already set up infra... that'sthe only reason ..

 

[IND151]

This is inaccurate. There is practically nothing significant that India has that is better than China.

By 2020, the Chinese Navy would have even built up a lead over the Indian Navy even in the Indian Ocean. The whole of the Indian Navy would struggle to face a Chinese task force composed of 2 100,000 tonne nuclear supercarriers(along with over 150+ aircraft), 6-8 Type 052D destroyers and 3-4 Type-095 SSNs.



China does not consider the Indians as a peer(at least for the next few decades at least), they are aiming to match the US toe-to-toe.

at bolded part

do you think that it is possible for a any nation even america to build so much big carrier? dont you think that such carrier will be detected from miles away due to her size?

china wont need and wont build 21,00,000 tonne carrier cause it will be impossible to build an carrier which weighs 100 times more than vikrant.

 

[UKBengali]

So you mean Mig29K is air superiority aircraft rather than Multirole ???Now you started trolling here with shitty explanation man.Check out the above image and its armament ....

No, you are not thinking deeply enough.

The Mig-29K can carry anti-ship missiles but they will be much smaller than those on the J-15, and hence will have less range and less powerful warhead.

As far as air-to-air is concerned both fighters will be pretty much equal(as J-15 will have AESA and PL-12D AAMs), but due to the fact that the J-15 is a much heavier fighter, it can carry larger anti-ship missiles which will have more range and a larger warhead.


Conclusion - both fighters pretty much equal in air-to-air but the J-15 has longer range and far more potent ship/land attack capability

 

[UKBengali]

Only if military alliances and treaties worked on the basis of race. Its like saying Russians will dog the Chinese in the case of a war, because they aren't even the same race.



Oh I don't know arming Pakistan against India and needling India on issues such as Kashmir is not antagonizing at all. Imagine if tomorrow starts selling missiles to Vietnam. And please J-20 is not some alien technology. Rest of the world isn't exactly sitting their and doing nothing about their own next generation fighter planes. If China takes the aggressive path the world will gang up against it, and it will go down the Nazi Germany way.

Ok. If you think that white Americans care the same for non-white Japanese as they do for white Germans/French/British then you may continue to think that way. No amount of reason can make you believe otherwise.

As for your other comments, you really have an issue with China so I do not see any further reason to make any comment there.

 

[Tumba]

No, you are not thinking deeply enough.

The Mig-29K can carry anti-ship missiles but they will be much smaller than those on the J-15, and hence will have less range and less powerful warhead.

As far as air-to-air is concerned both fighters will be pretty much equal(as J-15 will have AESA and PL-12D AAMs), but due to the fact that the J-15 is a much heavier fighter, it can carry larger anti-ship missiles which will have more range and a larger warhead.


Conclusion - both fighters pretty much equal in air-to-air but the J-15 has longer range and far more potent ship/land attack capability

can you list some far more potent ship/land attack capability which J-15 is going to carry ?????

is this a joke man... ??? ... wat about an indian 3 CBG... of 45K Ton ... INS Vikramaditya and INS IAC1 // and 65 KTon .. IAC2 / by 2022 ... carrying Rafale, Mig - 29K and N-Tejas. .. ??

 

[UKBengali]

at bolded part

do you think that it is possible for a any nation even america to build so much big carrier? dont you think that such carrier will be detected from miles away due to her size?

china wont need and wont build 21,00,000 tonne carrier cause it will be impossible to build an carrier which weighs 100 times more than vikrant.

Good grief! Ever care to think that the number of aircraft will be spread over 2 carriers - 75 on each one.

 

[UKBengali]

can you list some far more potent ship/land attack capability which J-15 is going to carry ?????

is this a joke man... ??? ... wat about an indian 3 CBG... of 45K Ton ... INS Vikramaditya and INS IAC1 // and 65 KTon .. IAC2 / by 2022 ... carrying Rafale, Mig - 29K and N-Tejas. .. ??

Simple logic will dictate that a larger fighter will carry missiles with longer range and more powerful warhead. That means they will be more potent.

If you do not improve the standard of your questions/arguments, then I will not bother replying as I am getting tired of writing things that should be obvious.

 

[Tumba]

Simple logic will dictate that a larger fighter will carry missiles with longer range and more powerful warhead. That means they will be more potent.

If you do not improve the standard of your questions/arguments, then I will not bother replying as I am getting tired of writing things that should be obvious.

dude ... increase your standards of argument first .. chinese dont have J-15 in production yet ... Indians already placing a squadron in Goa ...of Mig - 29K... right now its capabilities is greater than MKI which IAF has fielded.. its the most capable fighter India has in its facilities. ...

thr are no so called heavier weapons platforms that MKI carries ... J-15 a copy of Su-27 series ... will have the same capabilities with low end avionics in comparison to Mig-29k>... Ws series are underpower for a carrier variant .. so if one on one ever happens between 29K and J-15 .. J-15 will be an easy kill ...

rest India is fielding latest stealth destroyers of its own and SSN will follow soon .... we will be placing more $ in next decade or so in comparison with chinese....

check this link ..

India | Defense | Naval investments

India is expected to invest nearly $50 billion to strengthen its naval forces over the next 20 years, adding 101 new warships, ranging from destroyers to nuclear submarines, the Indian Express reported.

"Going by the investment value, India is expected to build sophisticated destroyers, new generation and new radar vessels, nuclear submarines, and amphibious ships," the paper quoted US naval analyst Bob Nugent as saying.

Nugent said China would likely spend $24 billion to build 113 war vessels, focusing on aircraft carriers, over the same period.

India's expenditure on warship building could account for as much as 27.8 per cent of the total investment in Asia-Pacific, the paper reported, and spending by India and China naval alone will likely surpass non-NATO and even Russian investments.

Other major naval investors in Asia-Pacific will include Australia at $14 billion, Indonesia at $7 billion, Taiwan at $16 billion, Pakistan at $2.85 billion and Singapore at $1.74 billion.




India is going to invest more... and buy out the latest from US Russia Israel France ... the most advance in field of defense.. and Include its own indigenous systems too.. so better look India's way .. coz// western media might be highlighting Chinese navy... but its India whos also head to head in this race...

 

[UKBengali]

dude ... increase your standards of argument first .. chinese dont have J-15 in production yet ... Indians already placing a squadron in Goa ...of Mig - 29K... right now its capabilities is greater than MKI which IAF has fielded.. its the most capable fighter India has in its facilities. ...

thr are no so called heavier weapons platforms that MKI carries ... J-15 a copy of Su-27 series ... will have the same capabilities with low end avionics in comparison to Mig-29k>... Ws series are underpower for a carrier variant .. so if one on one ever happens between 29K and J-15 .. J-15 will be an easy kill ...

rest India is fielding latest stealth destroyers of its own and SSN will follow soon .... we will be placing more $ in next decade or so in comparison with chinese....

check this link ..

India | Defense | Naval investments

India is expected to invest nearly $50 billion to strengthen its naval forces over the next 20 years, adding 101 new warships, ranging from destroyers to nuclear submarines, the Indian Express reported.

"Going by the investment value, India is expected to build sophisticated destroyers, new generation and new radar vessels, nuclear submarines, and amphibious ships," the paper quoted US naval analyst Bob Nugent as saying.

Nugent said China would likely spend $24 billion to build 113 war vessels, focusing on aircraft carriers, over the same period.

India's expenditure on warship building could account for as much as 27.8 per cent of the total investment in Asia-Pacific, the paper reported, and spending by India and China naval alone will likely surpass non-NATO and even Russian investments.

Other major naval investors in Asia-Pacific will include Australia at $14 billion, Indonesia at $7 billion, Taiwan at $16 billion, Pakistan at $2.85 billion and Singapore at $1.74 billion.




India is going to invest more... and buy out the latest from US Russia Israel France ... the most advance in field of defense.. and Include its own indigenous systems too.. so better look India's way .. coz// western media might be highlighting Chinese navy... but its India whos also head to head in this race...

Low end Avionics? - J-15 will have an AESA radar which will be superior to whatever the MIG-29K has. China is more experienced in AESA technolgy than Russia as they have already produced AESA radars on Type-052C destroyers and KJ-2000 AWACS.

Underpowered? The J-11B already has the 132KN WS-10A installed - higher than the 123KN on the Indian Su-30MKI. China is testing a new engine on the J-20, which is rumoured to be the WS-10G rated at 155KN. Do not worry that the engines on the J-15 will be "underpowered" when the Varyag goes into operational service in the 2013-2014 timeframe.

A lot of technology that China is currently developing for the 5th-generation J-20 will end up being used for the J-15.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Low end Avionics? - J-15 will have an AESA radar which will be superior to whatever the MIG-29K has. China is more experienced in AESA technolgy than Russia as they have already produced AESA radars on Type-052C destroyers and KJ-2000 AWACS.

Underpowered? The J-11B already has the 132KN WS-10A installed - higher than the 123KN on the Indian Su-30MKI. China is testing a new engine on the J-20, which is rumoured to be the WS-10G rated at 155KN. Do not worry that the engines on the J-15 will be "underpowered" when the Varyag goes into operational service in the 2013-2014 timeframe.

A lot of technology that China is currently developing for the 5th-generation J-20 will end up being used for the J-15.

Varyag will be commissioned by the next year as a training ship.

 

[Tumba]

Low end Avionics? - J-15 will have an AESA radar which will be superior to whatever the MIG-29K has. China is more experienced in AESA technolgy than Russia as they have already produced AESA radars on Type-052C destroyers and KJ-2000 AWACS.

Underpowered? The J-11B already has the 132KN WS-10A installed - higher than the 123KN on the Indian Su-30MKI. China is testing a new engine on the J-20, which is rumoured to be the WS-10G rated at 155KN. Do not worry that the engines on the J-15 will be "underpowered" when the Varyag goes into operational service in the 2013-2014 timeframe.

A lot of technology that China is currently developing for the 5th-generation J-20 will end up being used for the J-15.

its about miniaturization of AESA ...India also has developed land based and airborne AESA ... indian AWACS will be using that ... thr's no
AESA based fighter that china has right now.. and its India who will b getting one earlier ////

and about engines ... yes the engines are under powered for a sea based flanker.. thr's no such thing as WS-10G in production... it might be thr in testing phase and generally no matter how advance a country is a testing life cycle of an engine generally takes more than a decade ..

Indian nave also has an another tender.. Naval-MMRCA .. check out for that also

 

[nomi007]

i accept that indian navy is 4th big navy by siza
but i feel that they choose wrong carrier INS Vikramditya.
the reason is that Soviet aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov which is now so called INS Vikramditya had been laid down in December 1978 & launch in April 17, 1982
Aircraft carried: 12 Yak-38M fighter aircraft
20 Kamov Ka-25 or Kamov Ka-27 helicopters
which show that the design is soo old which cannot meet the indian requirements
let take a look on INS Vikramditya

indian imagine image is

 

[Zabaniyah]

thr are no so called heavier weapons platforms that MKI carries ... J-15 a copy of Su-27 series ... will have the same capabilities with low end avionics in comparison to Mig-29k>... Ws series are underpower for a carrier variant .. so if one on one ever happens between 29K and J-15 .. J-15 will be an easy kill ...

SU-33 to be more specific. According to reports, the J-15 will sport AESA. The MIG-29K doesn't have AESA.

Another note, the J-15 is still underdevelopment and not yet in full service. Why jump into conclusions as in "easy kill"? Come on. Don't underestimate them.