New Hajj application asks: ‘Are you Shia?’

[azzo]

Ask someone to help you to understand my posts on this thread.

Could not care less Shiite.

 

[Sugarcane]

Could not care less Shiite.

BTW - Here is official link of standard visa application.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

It occurred when Hezboalh kicked out israel from south of Lebanon in 2000 and again in 2006 when israel couldn't invade even one village in south and the Q is where the hell exactlly were you then?

In 2000, Israel pulled back from South Lebanon and later from Gaza by itself. It was a fake victory. In 2006, again it was a fake victory and Nasrallah regretted detaining Israeli soldiers publicly. Since then, Hizbullat have been getting Israeli hits with no response. So much for the victory.

And it's funny 'cause we have an ironic joke about Saudis and Arabs too ... you've got balls to form a coalition to bomb civilian in Yemen but when it comes to Palestine your hands would shake ...

Iran and it's stooges are our enemies. Full stop.

 

[kaonalpha]

One day The House of Saud will fall. I hope I live long enough to see it burn.

 

[azzo]

One day The House of Saud will fall. I hope I live long enough to see it burn.

 

[kaonalpha]

Laugh all you want you wahabi turd.

Laugh all you want you wahabi turd we'll see who has the last laugh.

 

[raptor22]

Official documents of what?! That Iranian made fake planes? the fact that Iranian generals attended the ceremony of "Qaher" introduction is condemning enough ROFL the denial.

It was a mock up of an undergoing project , it's F-117 at the beggining stages:

And your photos were not only about Qaher ... next time you wanna open your mouth try to have some documents ...

In 2000, Israel pulled back from South Lebanon and later from Gaza by itself. It was a fake victory. In 2006, again it was a fake victory and Nasrallah regretted detaining Israeli soldiers publicly. Since then, Hizbullat have been getting Israeli hits with no response. So much for the victory.

Iran and it's stooges are our enemies. Full stop.

You can take them as a fake victories ..

2006 War Called a 'Failure' for Israel

"....the panel did conclude that the war "was a big and serious failure" for Israel, Eliyahu Winograd, the retired judge who led the committee, told reporters..."

"...Peretz resigned after the release of the interim report and later lost his post as head of the Labor Party. The chief of Israel's military at the time of the war, Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz, has also resigned. Although Olmert is still in office, his public approval ratings have remained very low since the war ended..."

"...But in the last days of the conflict, the government sent thousands of additional ground troops into southern Lebanon to knock out Hezbollah rocket-launching sites before a U.N. cease-fire took hold..."

Condoliza Rice during her trip to Lebanon in 2006 said : “The birth pangs of a new Middle East.”

"..israle made the decision to fully commit its active and reserve forces in an attempt to go far beyond the border area and seize southern Lebanon up to the Litani river line".."
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And they failed to do this .... Hezbollah didn't have air force or navy ...

 

[azzo]

next time you wanna open your mouth try to have some documents ...

Coming from an Iranian, I can't help but laugh ROFL. You should follow your own advice.

Also Qaher was promoted as a WORKING prototype and not a mock up model smartass.

 

[Desertfalcon]

in fact it was American who cut the ties btw 2 countries back 80s,

No, it was your country's act of war in acquiescing to the occupation of the sovereign territory of our embassy and the kidnapping of our diplomats, that cut all ties with us.

"Death to America" really doesn't mean we want them die it's just a slogan to remind us our enemies

Words have meaning. When your country's authorities talk about the destruction of America or of wiping our allies off the face of the map, we take you for your word and we react accordingly.

 

[Sugarcane]

Yes, the reason I asked was because that application is for Pakistani citizens. Does KSA application forms for other countries also has this question eg. for applications for Indian citizens?

Section 7 & 10

http://www.uphajcommittee.com/HAJFORM.pdf

 

[Irfan Baloch]

They disrespect and mistreat Pakistanis working there irrespective of their sect.

this is it

this is the crux of the matter

I am not Shia so I don't know...

You're quoting my utterly out of context as I was having a convo with a different moron.

ROFL

“Saudi Arabia will not entertain any Hajj application from aspirants that fail to specify whether the applicant is Shia or Sunni,” said officials. PHOTO: REUTERS


ISLAMABAD: Pakistani pilgrims wishing to perform Hajj this year will have to declare whether they are Shia on their Hajj application forms if they have any hopes of making the sacred pilgrimage.


Confirming that the conditions had been forward by Saudi Arabia, government officials responsible for making Hajj arrangements said, “Saudi Arabia will not entertain any Hajj application from aspirants that fail to specify whether the applicant is a Shia or a Sunni.”


Taking Saudi requirement seriously, the government has added a question on page eight of the Hajj application form with the question “Are you Shia.”


The Ministry of Religious Affairs Spokesperson Muhammad Farooq said, “Aspirants are supposed to fill it with: ‘Yes’ or ‘No’.”


Riyadh has made it mandatory for all Hajj pilgrims to declare their sect as it fears that sectarian tensions could rise in the kingdom owing to the conflict in Yemen.


“Saudis do not want a repeat of the 1987 demonstrations during the Hajj pilgrimage, which led to the deaths of over 400 people in Makkah,” a senior official of Pakistan Hajj mission observed.


Religious affairs ministry officials, who are facilitating applicants (under government scheme) for getting visa, said the Saudi authorities also slightly amended the new Hajj visa form requirements. Though officials insisted that there was no such written instruction from Saudi authorities. But they said that the decision to insert the question was taken at a high level.


On the other hand, the religious affairs ministry spokesperson claimed that the question had been added on the request of representatives of Shia community in the country in order to prevent exploitation of the ‘mehram’ rule by Sunni women for performing hajj. Shia women, unlike their Sunni counterparts, can perform Hajj without a ‘mehram’. There have been reports that Sunni women have in the past exploited this provision.


Commenting on the new condition put forward by the Saudi Arabia, Chairman Pakistan Ulema Council Tahir Ashrafi said that he supports the Saudi move, adding that every country has the right to set new terms and condition to ensure better security.


“It’s not a new move. Pilgrims should abide by Saudi laws and declare their sect. Pilgrims are treated equally regardless of their sect,” he stated.


Amin Shaheedi, a representative of the Shia community in the Council for Islamic Ideology, said that, “We have no problem with this new addition. If Saudis are satisfied with this new move, Shia community is ready to abide by newly amended laws.”

Source : New Hajj application asks: ‘Are you Shia?’ - The Express Tribune

next question

do you hold House of Saud sacred Y/N
do you believe in Abdul Wahab? Y/N

 

[raptor22]

No, it was your country's act of war in acquiescing to the occupation of the sovereign territory of our embassy and the kidnapping of our diplomats, that cut all ties with us.


Words have meaning. When your country's authorities talk about the destruction of America or of wiping our allies off the face of the map, we take you for your word and we react accordingly.

Dude what do you expect from a nation that had struggled and sacrificed for decades to have fully independence but faced by your military coup in 1953 which topple democratic elected government of doctor Mosadegh? and continual support of a dictator for decades ? you trained "Savak" the Shah's secret police force which formed under the guidance of CIA in 1957 and personnel trained by Mossad ....

You do take what happened in American embassy in Tehran as an act of war and meanwhile ignore long history of your meddling in Iranian internal affairs as a friendly act? Iranian were afraid that you again might think about a military coup :

Iranian just wanted return of Shah which were in the USA to stand in the court of law ... and American refused therefore Iranian took it as sign of new American agenda in Iran.

And you confirmed my comment, it was you who cut the ties ....

 

[Desertfalcon]

Dude what do you expect from a nation that had struggled and sacrificed for decades to have fully independence but faced by your military coup in 1953 which topple democratic elected government of doctor Mosadegh? and continual support of a dictator for decades ? you trained "Savak" the Shah's secret police force which formed under the guidance of CIA in 1957 and personnel trained by Mossad ....

You do take what happened in American embassy in Tehran as an act of war and meanwhile ignore long history of your meddling in Iranian internal affairs as a friendly act? Iranian were afraid that you again might think about a military coup :

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Iranian just wanted return of Shah which were in the USA to stand in the court of law ... and American refused therefore Iranian took it as sign of new American agenda in Iran.

And you confirmed my comment, it was you who cut the ties ....

Oh please! Stop playing the victim! You mean meddle, like Iran meddles in the affairs of other nations? Sponsors terrorism? Is meddling in Yemen? ALL states "meddle". It's called "foreign policy". Did my country support the Shah? Yes. I still do. In fact, contrary to your article, IMHO, President Carter did not support the Shah enough! And Savak? Yeah, I remember when the Shah was facing massive protests and Iranian students in America and the American political leftists, kept saying how once the bad ole' evil Shah was gone, once Savak was gone, it would all be daisies and buttercups in Iran and Iran would finally have freedom and democracy! Now anyone who had the slightest clue about what was REALLY going on, knew that the Shah was the most tolerant and liberal political force in Iran. That once he was gone, religious extremism and would reign supreme and those who disagreed with it, would soon face death and that they did. Iran's human rights record became by every measurable way, significantly worse after the Shah's departure. From the position of women and their rights to the rights of religious and social minorities. Iran went from a respected nation to a pariah state that that sponsors international terror and threatens to incinerate her neighbors.

 

[raptor22]

Oh please! Stop playing the victim! You mean meddle, like Iran meddles in the affairs of other nations? Sponsors terrorism? Is meddling in Yemen? ALL states "meddle". It's called "foreign policy". Did my country support the Shah? Yes. I still do. In fact, contrary to your article, IMHO, President Carter did not support the Shah enough! And Savak? Yeah, I remember when the Shah was facing massive protests and Iranian students in America and the American political leftists, kept saying how once the bad ole' evil Shah was gone, once Savak was gone, it would all be daisies and buttercups in Iran and Iran would finally have freedom and democracy! Now anyone who had the slightest clue about what was REALLY going on, knew that the Shah was the most tolerant and liberal political force in Iran. That once he was gone, religious extremism and would reign supreme and those who disagreed with it, would soon face death and that they did. Iran's human rights record became by every measurable way, significantly worse after the Shah's departure. From the position of women and their rights to the rights of religious and social minorities. Iran went from a respected nation to a pariah state that that sponsors international terror and threatens to incinerate her neighbors.

Once we had our democracy when you toppled our elected government , didn't you? Shah's father came to the power through Britain helps , he came to the power with the same mechanism and kept it again in this way:

If the Reuters thing weren’t enough to give Iranians a grudge against the Western media, the BBC transmitted a secret code to help Kermit Roosevelt (Teddy’s grandson) lay the groundwork for an American and British coup against Mosaddegh. (BBC Persian also assisted by broadcasting pro-coup propaganda on the orders of the British government.) Soon enough the U.S. was training the regime’s secret police in how to interrogate Iranians with methods a CIA analyst said were “based on German torture techniques from World War II.”
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And Shah was the most tolerant and liberal political force in Iran? did you know once he said every Iranian must my party anyone who is reluctant can leave the country? it's his views about women:

And we are not playing victim it's history and you can research about it by yourself I just expressed my point of view ...

 

[Desertfalcon]

Once we had our democracy when you toppled our elected government , didn't you? Shah's father came to the power through Britain helps , he came to the power with the same mechanism and kept it again in this way:

If the Reuters thing weren’t enough to give Iranians a grudge against the Western media, the BBC transmitted a secret code to help Kermit Roosevelt (Teddy’s grandson) lay the groundwork for an American and British coup against Mosaddegh. (BBC Persian also assisted by broadcasting pro-coup propaganda on the orders of the British government.) Soon enough the U.S. was training the regime’s secret police in how to interrogate Iranians with methods a CIA analyst said were “based on German torture techniques from World War II.”
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And Shah was the most tolerant and liberal political force in Iran? did you know once he said every Iranian must my party anyone who is reluctant can leave the country? it's his views about women:

And we are not playing victim it's history and you can research about it by yourself I just expressed my point of view ...

Again, the Islamic Republics long, long history of supporting international terror and meddling in other countries, as she is doing right now in Yemen!, negates your moral outrage. ALL states "meddle" to protect their interests. Iran is no different. And is one free to run for any office today without the approval of Iran's religious authorities? No!