New Hajj application asks: ‘Are you Shia?’

[Gufi]

But I don't see how speciyfing sect will change that? Will they follow or check background of Shia applicants?

Distribution of security forces as well as accommodation will be made to ensure adequate security and riot police are placed to stop any protests. It is a common practice to distribute volunteers and security forces according to the threat level that can be expected. It was decided on nationalities and now it will include sects also it seems

 

[pkuser2k12]

@jamahir

Jesus (P.B.U.H) simple

It is bad religiously not to write (P.B.U.H) with names of Prophets(A.S).....

 

[Falcon29]

What mature discussion is required, this has been there for long time and reason for this question is differences in sect.
i.e. As per sunni mullahs a women can't go to hajj alone (without any mahram) and as per shia ruling she can go.

If that's what its about why create thread? He had me thinking it was something significant.

 

[jamahir]

@jamahir

Jesus (P.B.U.H) simple

It is bad religiously not to write (P.B.U.H) with names of Prophets(A.S).....

that is simply a south asian habit that has spread into the world via the tableeghi jamaat...i always use "hazrat isa" and "hazrat muhammad" and on pdf, and i claim to be the primary one to forward the works of the imam of all muslims, muammar gaddafi ( however wrong he was in supporting the irani mullahs during the 1980-88 war ).

believe me, no thunderbolt has rained from the skies on me for not using "pbuh" and "saw" and it is me who has created goodwill for islam among the non-muslims i have ever met in india... i am a good ambassador of islam because i speak common sense and not get emotional in using labels.

 

[Sugarcane]

If that's what its about why create thread? He had me thinking it was something significant.

Some people are trying very hard to create sectarian rift in Pakistan. That's it

 

[pkuser2k12]

@jamahir

as i said it is not right and we should write (P.B.U.H) with Prophes (A.S) names . Allah Hafiz for now .....

 

[OTTOMAN]

Source : New Hajj application asks: ‘Are you Shia?’ - The Express Tribune

If Bank does not print shia check box.... then i see a huge technical contradiction.
At the time of opening a bank account, shia voluntarily submit an affidavit of being shia, this result in exemption of zakat deduction.
Now if Shia open account for Hajj without declaring shia and Zakat got deducted, which will be a violation of shia faith.

Just to make sure ´MOMIN´ are not subject to Zakat, such identification are forced upon state of Pakistan, in riots of 1980´s which naturally ET failed to mentioned. however people can choose between a tick box or more popular affidavit.

On the other hand Shia are grouped together, because their Hajj and Prayers are not same as rest of the Muslims, otherwise they will be mixed up with Pakistanis and will lead to even bigger trouble.

 

[rockstar08]

let us not get stuck in recent labels when @rockstar08 has put across a wise point.

writing a simple "hazrat muhammad" is infinitely better than using "pbuh" or "saw"... we should "be muslim" rather than "look muslim".

what would you use for jesus??

using a Peace be Upon him , its good but dont you think we should respect the Prophet pbuh , from our heart and show it from our action ? rather than writing or arguing on Peace be upon him ?
and for Jesus Pbuh i normally used it all the time but it could 1-2 times where i forget ..but this does not mean i dont respect or love him ..

 

[Daneshmand]

Is this only for Pakistanis? If that is the case, it is tit for tat for Pakistan's refusal to take part in Yemen war.

 

[Sugarcane]

Is this only for Pakistanis? If that is the case, it is tit for tat for Pakistan's refusal to take part in Yemen war.

No, It's not only for Pakistan - this has been there in standard application form of KSA. http://www.dawntravels.com/pdf/download-umrah-visa-requirements.pdf

We cannot blame the OP as he´s a holy cow, but we can surely hold ET responsible for it.
Unless someone dream of Saudi / Wahab hand!

I am not blaming OP but the writer of article and ET.

 

[OTTOMAN]

Is this only for Pakistanis? If that is the case, it is tit for tat for Pakistan's refusal to take part in Yemen war.

Are you blaming coalition forces?

 

[jamahir]

using a Peace be Upon him , its good but dont you think we should respect the Prophet pbuh , from our heart and show it from our action ? rather than writing or arguing on Peace be upon him ?
and for Jesus Pbuh i normally used it all the time but it could 1-2 times where i forget ..but this does not mean i dont respect or love him ..

using those terms is good, no doubt, but they should be in a speech, for example, used very occassionally... if we of south asia use those terms in every sentence we will seem hypocritical that while we have failed ( in india and pakistan especially ) to achieve a core islami thing like non-interest economy, we are choosing to become fanatical in "appearing muslim" rather than being one.

 

[Daneshmand]

No, It's not only for Pakistan - this has been there in standard application form of KSA. http://www.dawntravels.com/pdf/download-umrah-visa-requirements.pdf.

Yes, the reason I asked was because that application is for Pakistani citizens. Does KSA application forms for other countries also has this question eg. for applications for Indian citizens?

 

[Daneshmand]

Are you blaming coalition forces?

It is not about blame. It is about how people are treated and if mistreated then the reason for that mistreatment.

 

[OTTOMAN]

It is not about blame. It is about how people are treated and if mistreated then the reason for that mistreatment.