Navy Day: When Karachi burned for seven days, historical victory of Indian navy over Pakistan

[Osiris]

Dwarka operations didn't achieved any objective??? sonny if u check after dwarka operation India air force stopped bombing Karachi our biggest city
Now don't say it was from goodness ofyour hearts obviously dwarka op caused heavy damage to your installation in dwarka which guided your jets for Karachi raids deary

This selective saffron wash of history won't do u good my child we suffered loss in 71 we acknowledge that and learned from our mistakes so won't get chance to exploit that again but it appears u didn't learn from history just Tailored it your liking

Lol which installation did you damage Dwarka operation, that caused ,IAF to stop bombing karachi?

 

[khanmubashir]

Lol which installation did you damage Dwarka operation, that caused ,IAF to stop bombing karachi?

U tell me Sonny because after dwarka u guys did stop air raids on Karachi Google
So why u stopped if their was no damage my child

 

[Osiris]

U tell me Sonny because after dwarka u guys did stop air raids on Karachi Google
So why u stopped if their was no damage my child

Because you are desperate to salvage something out of embarrassment, that was operation Dwarka and would believe any bull$hit.

Infact one the objectives of Op Dwarka was to divert IAF effort from North and get IAF to place units in Southern sector, which again you failed.

An old Indian beef: When Pakistan Navy killed a cow in Dwarka in 1965
The damage was limited because 40 of the 50 shells that were fired failed to explode.

Shortly after midnight of September 7, 1965, five Pakistani destroyers sailed just 5.8 nautical miles off the Indian temple town of Dwarka and opened fire.

Exactly a week ago, the Pakistan Army had launched its military offensive "Operation Grand Slam" across the international border. India and Pakistan were now officially at war and the Pakistan Navy wanted a piece of the action.

The flotilla of World War 2 vintage Pakistani warships lined up parallel to the coast, swiveled their gun turrets and fired 50 shells into the night sky towards the shores of Gujarat. "Operation Dwarka" as the Pakistan Navy called it, aimed at destroying a radar station that helped India monitor naval activity in the Arabian Sea. The naval bombardment lasted for four minutes. The warships turned back towards Karachi fearing aerial attack from the Indian Air Force (IAF) airbase at Jamnagar.


Their shells, as documented by a naval team that visited the site the next morning, fell on the soft soil between the temple and the railway station shattering the guest house and damaging a steam engine. The only casualty of the attack was a cow which happened to be in the vicinity. The damage was limited because 40 of the 50 shells that were fired failed to explode.

Indian naval historians describe this as a nuisance raid. There was no coastal radar station at Dwarka, but such facts clearly come in the way of an exciting naval yarn. Pakistani naval accounts say the operation achieved several of its four-fold objective of drawing Indian naval units out for their submarine PNS Ghazi to attack, to destroy a radar station, to lower Indian morale and divert the IAF away from the north. The Pakistan Navy celebrates September 8 as Navy Day.

But Dwarka was not entirely undefended that night. And herein lies the bizarre twist in this tale. On September 2 the Indian Navy despatched the INS Talwar to carry out a barrier patrol off Okha to warn of the approaching Pakistan Navy. INS Talwar, a 2,600-tonne "Whitby class" frigate acquired from Great Britain just five years back was among the most modern warships in any Asian navy. Its Mark 6 twin 4.5 inch guns could belch out one tonne of steel and high explosive a minute to a range of 16km. These guns were guided by an advanced FPS-5 fire control system. The warship had secondary armaments of anti-submarine mortars and anti-aircraft guns.

Also read: Why should we remember the 1965 India-Pakistan war?

The Talwar had pulled into Okha, just 30km north of Dwarka, after developing engine trouble on September 6. It intercepted the transmissions by the Pakistan Navy fleet and sounded action stations at around 10pm after concluding that she was the target. The Talwar’s gunnery officer reported that the ship’s 4.5 inch gun mounting and fire control radar were fully tuned for combat.

The Talwar did not sail forth and seek battle. Her reluctance to engage the Pakistani flotilla could have been because the Navy’s hands were tied by a strange order from the ministry of defence in South Block. In early September, an additional secretary in the MoD sent a note on a file to Navy chief vice admiral BS Soman stating that the "Navy was not to operate north of the latitude of Porbandar, and was also not to take or initiate offensive action at sea against Pakistan forces unless forced to do so by offensive action against Pakistan forces."

The government did not want to enlarge the conflict. This restraint, which was a redux of the 1962 war with China in which prime minister Nehru fatally miscalculated by not deploying the qualitatively superior IAF.

But even this bizarre government directive did not explain the reticence of the INS Talwar and her skipper commander VA Dhareshwar. Several Indian naval officials were outraged by his conduct. In his sweeping account "War in the Indian Ocean" vice admiral MK Roy alluded to the court martial of admiral Sir John Byng of the Royal Navy who failed to take adequate action against the French fleet during the siege of Minorca. Admiral Byng was executed on the quarterdeck of the HMS Monarch in Portsmouth in 1757. Vice admiral Roy was not suggesting such an action in the Indian context. "But it should never be forgotten that it is the bounden duty of a sea officer to bring the enemy to battle." Admiral Nelson, time and again, followed this, followed by turning "a Nelson’s eye" to his superior’s orders not to engage the enemy.

Vice Admiral Krishnan, later the eastern naval commander during the 1971 war with Pakistan is reported to have said, "One of our frigates was at Okha. It is unfortunate that she could not sail forth and seek battle. Even if there was a mandate against the Navy participating in the war, no government could blame a warship for going into action, if attacked. An affront to our national honour is no joke and we cannot laugh it away by saying, 'All the Pakistanis did was to kill a cow.' Let us at least create a memorial to the 'unknown cow' who died with her hooves on in a battle against the Pakistan Navy."

The Indian Navy’s official history Transition to Triumph mentions that the Talwar had to be put into Okha for repairs because she had "developed leaks in her condensers resulting in a serious problem of boiler feed contamination".

One of INS Talwar’s former crew told me recently that this was a difficult problem but not entirely insurmountable. At the very least, the Talwar could have used her guns to fire at the Pakistani warships from inside the harbour.

The Talwar incident was not quickly forgotten. The earth-shaking blowback from the raid on Dwarka was felt six years later during the 1971 war, where vice admirals Roy and Krishnan played a key role. The Indian Navy cited the coastal raid to swiftly acquire missile-equipped fast attack craft from the Soviet Union. These "missile boats" as they were called, were towed by larger warships and let loose near Karachi during the December 1971 war. In two separate attacks, "Trident" and "Python", they carried out what remains the world’s most successful use of anti-ship missiles. They sank a Pakistan Navy destroyer, a minesweeper, a fleet tanker, three merchant ships and set the oil tanks at Karachi ablaze. The ghost of "Operation Dwarka" and the dead cow had finally been put to rest.

 

[khanmubashir]

Because you are desperate to salvage something out of embarrassment, that was operation Dwarka and would believe any bull$hit.

Infact one the objectives of Op Dwarka was to divert IAF effort from North and get IAF to place units in Southern sector, which again you failed.

An old Indian beef: When Pakistan Navy killed a cow in Dwarka in 1965
The damage was limited because 40 of the 50 shells that were fired failed to explode.

Shortly after midnight of September 7, 1965, five Pakistani destroyers sailed just 5.8 nautical miles off the Indian temple town of Dwarka and opened fire.

Exactly a week ago, the Pakistan Army had launched its military offensive "Operation Grand Slam" across the international border. India and Pakistan were now officially at war and the Pakistan Navy wanted a piece of the action.

The flotilla of World War 2 vintage Pakistani warships lined up parallel to the coast, swiveled their gun turrets and fired 50 shells into the night sky towards the shores of Gujarat. "Operation Dwarka" as the Pakistan Navy called it, aimed at destroying a radar station that helped India monitor naval activity in the Arabian Sea. The naval bombardment lasted for four minutes. The warships turned back towards Karachi fearing aerial attack from the Indian Air Force (IAF) airbase at Jamnagar.


Their shells, as documented by a naval team that visited the site the next morning, fell on the soft soil between the temple and the railway station shattering the guest house and damaging a steam engine. The only casualty of the attack was a cow which happened to be in the vicinity. The damage was limited because 40 of the 50 shells that were fired failed to explode.

Indian naval historians describe this as a nuisance raid. There was no coastal radar station at Dwarka, but such facts clearly come in the way of an exciting naval yarn. Pakistani naval accounts say the operation achieved several of its four-fold objective of drawing Indian naval units out for their submarine PNS Ghazi to attack, to destroy a radar station, to lower Indian morale and divert the IAF away from the north. The Pakistan Navy celebrates September 8 as Navy Day.

But Dwarka was not entirely undefended that night. And herein lies the bizarre twist in this tale. On September 2 the Indian Navy despatched the INS Talwar to carry out a barrier patrol off Okha to warn of the approaching Pakistan Navy. INS Talwar, a 2,600-tonne "Whitby class" frigate acquired from Great Britain just five years back was among the most modern warships in any Asian navy. Its Mark 6 twin 4.5 inch guns could belch out one tonne of steel and high explosive a minute to a range of 16km. These guns were guided by an advanced FPS-5 fire control system. The warship had secondary armaments of anti-submarine mortars and anti-aircraft guns.

Also read: Why should we remember the 1965 India-Pakistan war?

The Talwar had pulled into Okha, just 30km north of Dwarka, after developing engine trouble on September 6. It intercepted the transmissions by the Pakistan Navy fleet and sounded action stations at around 10pm after concluding that she was the target. The Talwar’s gunnery officer reported that the ship’s 4.5 inch gun mounting and fire control radar were fully tuned for combat.

The Talwar did not sail forth and seek battle. Her reluctance to engage the Pakistani flotilla could have been because the Navy’s hands were tied by a strange order from the ministry of defence in South Block. In early September, an additional secretary in the MoD sent a note on a file to Navy chief vice admiral BS Soman stating that the "Navy was not to operate north of the latitude of Porbandar, and was also not to take or initiate offensive action at sea against Pakistan forces unless forced to do so by offensive action against Pakistan forces."

The government did not want to enlarge the conflict. This restraint, which was a redux of the 1962 war with China in which prime minister Nehru fatally miscalculated by not deploying the qualitatively superior IAF.

But even this bizarre government directive did not explain the reticence of the INS Talwar and her skipper commander VA Dhareshwar. Several Indian naval officials were outraged by his conduct. In his sweeping account "War in the Indian Ocean" vice admiral MK Roy alluded to the court martial of admiral Sir John Byng of the Royal Navy who failed to take adequate action against the French fleet during the siege of Minorca. Admiral Byng was executed on the quarterdeck of the HMS Monarch in Portsmouth in 1757. Vice admiral Roy was not suggesting such an action in the Indian context. "But it should never be forgotten that it is the bounden duty of a sea officer to bring the enemy to battle." Admiral Nelson, time and again, followed this, followed by turning "a Nelson’s eye" to his superior’s orders not to engage the enemy.

Vice Admiral Krishnan, later the eastern naval commander during the 1971 war with Pakistan is reported to have said, "One of our frigates was at Okha. It is unfortunate that she could not sail forth and seek battle. Even if there was a mandate against the Navy participating in the war, no government could blame a warship for going into action, if attacked. An affront to our national honour is no joke and we cannot laugh it away by saying, 'All the Pakistanis did was to kill a cow.' Let us at least create a memorial to the 'unknown cow' who died with her hooves on in a battle against the Pakistan Navy."

The Indian Navy’s official history Transition to Triumph mentions that the Talwar had to be put into Okha for repairs because she had "developed leaks in her condensers resulting in a serious problem of boiler feed contamination".

One of INS Talwar’s former crew told me recently that this was a difficult problem but not entirely insurmountable. At the very least, the Talwar could have used her guns to fire at the Pakistani warships from inside the harbour.

The Talwar incident was not quickly forgotten. The earth-shaking blowback from the raid on Dwarka was felt six years later during the 1971 war, where vice admirals Roy and Krishnan played a key role. The Indian Navy cited the coastal raid to swiftly acquire missile-equipped fast attack craft from the Soviet Union. These "missile boats" as they were called, were towed by larger warships and let loose near Karachi during the December 1971 war. In two separate attacks, "Trident" and "Python", they carried out what remains the world’s most successful use of anti-ship missiles. They sank a Pakistan Navy destroyer, a minesweeper, a fleet tanker, three merchant ships and set the oil tanks at Karachi ablaze. The ghost of "Operation Dwarka" and the dead cow had finally been put to rest.

Now sonny u didn't gave the link reading from old beef in headline I m sure its your hindurva propaganda site

After dwarka op iaf stopped air raid on Karachi google that means pn caused some heavy damage To critical Indian installation logic a thing rare among u chumps these days

Because you are desperate to salvage something out of embarrassment, that was operation Dwarka and would believe any bull$hit.

Infact one the objectives of Op Dwarka was to divert IAF effort from North and get IAF to place units in Southern sector, which again you failed.

An old Indian beef: When Pakistan Navy killed a cow in Dwarka in 1965
The damage was limited because 40 of the 50 shells that were fired failed to explode.

Shortly after midnight of September 7, 1965, five Pakistani destroyers sailed just 5.8 nautical miles off the Indian temple town of Dwarka and opened fire.

Exactly a week ago, the Pakistan Army had launched its military offensive "Operation Grand Slam" across the international border. India and Pakistan were now officially at war and the Pakistan Navy wanted a piece of the action.

The flotilla of World War 2 vintage Pakistani warships lined up parallel to the coast, swiveled their gun turrets and fired 50 shells into the night sky towards the shores of Gujarat. "Operation Dwarka" as the Pakistan Navy called it, aimed at destroying a radar station that helped India monitor naval activity in the Arabian Sea. The naval bombardment lasted for four minutes. The warships turned back towards Karachi fearing aerial attack from the Indian Air Force (IAF) airbase at Jamnagar.


Their shells, as documented by a naval team that visited the site the next morning, fell on the soft soil between the temple and the railway station shattering the guest house and damaging a steam engine. The only casualty of the attack was a cow which happened to be in the vicinity. The damage was limited because 40 of the 50 shells that were fired failed to explode.

Indian naval historians describe this as a nuisance raid. There was no coastal radar station at Dwarka, but such facts clearly come in the way of an exciting naval yarn. Pakistani naval accounts say the operation achieved several of its four-fold objective of drawing Indian naval units out for their submarine PNS Ghazi to attack, to destroy a radar station, to lower Indian morale and divert the IAF away from the north. The Pakistan Navy celebrates September 8 as Navy Day.

But Dwarka was not entirely undefended that night. And herein lies the bizarre twist in this tale. On September 2 the Indian Navy despatched the INS Talwar to carry out a barrier patrol off Okha to warn of the approaching Pakistan Navy. INS Talwar, a 2,600-tonne "Whitby class" frigate acquired from Great Britain just five years back was among the most modern warships in any Asian navy. Its Mark 6 twin 4.5 inch guns could belch out one tonne of steel and high explosive a minute to a range of 16km. These guns were guided by an advanced FPS-5 fire control system. The warship had secondary armaments of anti-submarine mortars and anti-aircraft guns.

Also read: Why should we remember the 1965 India-Pakistan war?

The Talwar had pulled into Okha, just 30km north of Dwarka, after developing engine trouble on September 6. It intercepted the transmissions by the Pakistan Navy fleet and sounded action stations at around 10pm after concluding that she was the target. The Talwar’s gunnery officer reported that the ship’s 4.5 inch gun mounting and fire control radar were fully tuned for combat.

The Talwar did not sail forth and seek battle. Her reluctance to engage the Pakistani flotilla could have been because the Navy’s hands were tied by a strange order from the ministry of defence in South Block. In early September, an additional secretary in the MoD sent a note on a file to Navy chief vice admiral BS Soman stating that the "Navy was not to operate north of the latitude of Porbandar, and was also not to take or initiate offensive action at sea against Pakistan forces unless forced to do so by offensive action against Pakistan forces."

The government did not want to enlarge the conflict. This restraint, which was a redux of the 1962 war with China in which prime minister Nehru fatally miscalculated by not deploying the qualitatively superior IAF.

But even this bizarre government directive did not explain the reticence of the INS Talwar and her skipper commander VA Dhareshwar. Several Indian naval officials were outraged by his conduct. In his sweeping account "War in the Indian Ocean" vice admiral MK Roy alluded to the court martial of admiral Sir John Byng of the Royal Navy who failed to take adequate action against the French fleet during the siege of Minorca. Admiral Byng was executed on the quarterdeck of the HMS Monarch in Portsmouth in 1757. Vice admiral Roy was not suggesting such an action in the Indian context. "But it should never be forgotten that it is the bounden duty of a sea officer to bring the enemy to battle." Admiral Nelson, time and again, followed this, followed by turning "a Nelson’s eye" to his superior’s orders not to engage the enemy.

Vice Admiral Krishnan, later the eastern naval commander during the 1971 war with Pakistan is reported to have said, "One of our frigates was at Okha. It is unfortunate that she could not sail forth and seek battle. Even if there was a mandate against the Navy participating in the war, no government could blame a warship for going into action, if attacked. An affront to our national honour is no joke and we cannot laugh it away by saying, 'All the Pakistanis did was to kill a cow.' Let us at least create a memorial to the 'unknown cow' who died with her hooves on in a battle against the Pakistan Navy."

The Indian Navy’s official history Transition to Triumph mentions that the Talwar had to be put into Okha for repairs because she had "developed leaks in her condensers resulting in a serious problem of boiler feed contamination".

One of INS Talwar’s former crew told me recently that this was a difficult problem but not entirely insurmountable. At the very least, the Talwar could have used her guns to fire at the Pakistani warships from inside the harbour.

The Talwar incident was not quickly forgotten. The earth-shaking blowback from the raid on Dwarka was felt six years later during the 1971 war, where vice admirals Roy and Krishnan played a key role. The Indian Navy cited the coastal raid to swiftly acquire missile-equipped fast attack craft from the Soviet Union. These "missile boats" as they were called, were towed by larger warships and let loose near Karachi during the December 1971 war. In two separate attacks, "Trident" and "Python", they carried out what remains the world’s most successful use of anti-ship missiles. They sank a Pakistan Navy destroyer, a minesweeper, a fleet tanker, three merchant ships and set the oil tanks at Karachi ablaze. The ghost of "Operation Dwarka" and the dead cow had finally been put to rest.

Only retards like u would believe such bs as 40 out of 50 shell falling upon u and none of em exploded nor these many heavy cannon shells caused any damage to target except killing a. Cow ??? What bs Bollywood story
maybe because bs is your favorite food

 

[MimophantSlayer]

haha ISIS blows up more than that in one day, I dont know what are you trying to prove, I admit Indian blew up POL gas storage at Karachi..this was a big achievement.

Changing the subject now are we.
Why should we talk about 65 and 48 on a thread about the 71 war?

Also, how many times has ISIS blockaded a port and punked a major naval force, hell how many times have you done it?

India did not want a full blown invasion because they saw how 35000 Pakistanis were fighting them in Bangal, they have seen how invasion wet dream were crashed in 65

That is some ridiculous narrative.

India sooooo didn’t want a full blown invasion because of how bravely the 90000 pakistani soldiers surrendered in Bengal. India was soooo crushed by the surrendering en masse that it shook us into giving up the conquest of West Pakistan.

We did not initiate even one large scale offensive on west pak like PA did initially but we still ended up gaining more territory by the end of 1971 war, the territories which we basically gave you back in “bheek” in the Simla Agreement.

The only think India has to show is that in 1971 they defeated half Pakistan with the help of other half of Pakistan, Indian never want to talk about 65 and 48,

There's a reason for that.

To some pakistanis, nothing registers unless the result is clear, to some of you just surviving is a victory, you lot would nitpick and try to worm past anything if it meant conserving that echo chamber.

65 was when pakistan wanted to unilaterally take kashmir and change the borders with India but by the end of the war ended up having to defend its capital cities and had lost more territory to IA than it had gained and was losing on every front even then.

71 war was the only war in which the result was clear and the winning side actually achieved all the objectives it had set out to achieve.

See, you lot can nit pick singular events in wars all you want, but the fact is, the result of every India-pakistan war has never been in your favour.

but they do like to talk about how IAF ruled the skies in Kargil,

Hell yeah we do.

IAF was so lethal that the other side straight up refused to even come to the playing ground and protect its own countrymen from being bombed left and right; the play, which the said other side’s military and polity had initiated themselves.

these idiots dont even know Kargil was in India and Pakistanis infitrated India and humilited them for a year. Yet, if the shame has a face it would be called Indian, they want to make movies to hide their humiliation which is still on going.

That is some top level hypocrisy.
What happened in 1965 then?
We were basically fighting in your territory.
The tank battles most of which we won, by the end only basically slowed our advance FAR inside YOUR TERRITORY.
By the end of 65 war you had failed to push us out and we had ended up capturing more of Pakistani territory than you had ours.

And even by the end of Kargil it was pakistan that was humiliated, losing continuously and begging to the US to make India stop punishing you.

Bruce Reidel White House aide during Kargil.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1989886.stm

The only reason you lot get all pissy about us making films on the wars is coz you lot are the ones feeling ashamed, nothing to do with us hiding anything, we are but eager to celebrate our war victories.

 

[Osiris]

Now sonny u didn't gave the link reading from old beef in headline I m sure its your hindurva propaganda site

After dwarka op iaf stopped air raid on Karachi google that means pn caused some heavy damage To critical Indian installation logic a thing rare among u chumps these days


Only retards like u would believe such bs as 40 out of 50 shell falling upon u and none of em exploded nor these many heavy cannon shells caused any damage to target except killing a. Cow ??? What bs Bollywood story
maybe because bs is your favorite food

Listen jackass, either present evidence of your claim, of what you were able to destroy in Dwarka raid, or shut your pie hole, have had enough of you none sense.

 

[khanmubashir]

Listen jackass, either present evidence of your claim, of what you were able to destroy in Dwarka raid, or shut your pie hole, have had enough of you none sense.

Sonny why u started your rundi Rona this ain't your gangadeshi forum where your rundi Rona is norm
First give give the link of your old beef bs which is obviously hindutva propaganda site

Listen jackass, either present evidence of your claim, of what you were able to destroy in Dwarka raid, or shut your pie hole, have had enough of you none sense.

BTW these claims that shells didn't explode only your Mama cow died no damage are all bs put up by your own gov .
Which is expert in making up bs and u of eating it
But truth is after dwarka iaf stopped bombing raids on our biggest city Karachi fact
we weren't there on ground in dwarka to assess damage nor we r expert like u to make up multiple casualty numbers and contradictory details from a single attack like your sergi kal strikes but your termination of air campaign against Karachi speaks volumes Sonny

 

[prop558]

we committed mistakes in the past.communication problem between pakistan navy and air force was a big problem in 1971.pakistan didn't learn the importance of naval war yet but there are improvements because of cpec.also it's now extremely hard to repeat this action again because of advanced technology on both sides specially land based missiles.

Kulbhushan Jhadev has already said in his "confessional statement" that he also surveyed the coastal landing sites in Pakistan. I hope Indian Navy is working on this for future hit and run raid against Chinese military installations on Coastal belt of Pakistan (putting blame on BLA TTP) or may be for the full fledge coastal landings as one of the part of its well known cold start doctrine. On the eastern border, Pakistan's 80% deployment is along with AJK and Punjab border.


The Question is, what we have been doing and what we are doing to protect our coastal line from any such things ? Just saying that we are nuclear country and nobody dares to attack us, won't be enough. Practical up-gradation is badly needed.

 

[prop558]

Pakistan has total coastline of 1,049 km. Which means there will be 210 total coastal barracks should be constructed after each 4 km ...... each coastal barrack should have proper anti aircraft system and coastal guns too. Learn from 1944 d-day and 1971

 

[nikhilarya]

Because guys like alexander the great were born..
Remember persia. Now please go read history

Alexander was before abhramic religions, go, and read history, he was defeated by the bank of sindhu river