Naval Ship of United States Mason visits Karachi port

[Jinn Baba]

This is where we need our old politicians and beauracrats. If they can make an active PIA jumbo jet disappear (and sell abroad) I'm sure they can help Pak Navy "obtain" this destroyer too

 

[LeGenD]

I think you are referring to the incident involving Mason firing multiple multi-million dollar SM-2 missiles and decoys in response to Houti rockets fired on the ship, most of which fell short of the target and in the sea anyway. This happened on three occasions. Some of these SM-2 missiles did intercepted the home made rockets efficiently.

You were being sarcastic, right?
Initially some report claimed the last attack (5 missiles) to be carried out by Chinese AShM in which case it would have been impressive but later on it was said that these missiles were not Chinese weapons either.

They weren't mere rockets but radar-guided sea-skimming ASCM including Chinese YJ-82 (C-802). All sea-skimming ASCM failed to breach defenses of USN vessels (USS Mason most notably) because they were subjected to sophisticated interceptors and softkill approaches (7 neutralized in total).

For reference: http://missiledefenseadvocacy.org/alert/12685/

Initial press releases were really amusing on the other hand... (they fell into the ocean, absolutely ). More like debris fell into the ocean.

 

[Arsalan]

They weren't mere rockets but radar-guided sea-skimming ASCM including Chinese YJ-82 (C-802).

If that indeed would have been the case it would have been impressive mate. However if you recheck the reports, initially it was claimed that the rockets were Chinese built missiles but later on, follow up reports some 10-15 days after incident confirmed them to be home made unguided rockets. The US Navy confirmed that as per those reports. I will try to dig up that for you.

 

[LeGenD]

If that indeed would have been the case it would have been impressive mate. However if you recheck the reports, initially it was claimed that the rockets were Chinese built missiles but later on, follow up reports some 10-15 days after incident confirmed them to be home made unguided rockets. The US Navy confirmed that as per those reports. I will try to dig up that for you.

There is/was lot of misreporting in relation to these events (intentional in some cases) because technologies of Arleigh Burke class destroyers are not for export, and also due to export-related considerations for sea-skimming ASCM worldwide.

MDAA is not an ordinary source, its reports are credible.

In fact, in this forum, during the course of one of my discussions, a Russian member provided information about how the Houthi acquired C-802 sea-skimming ASCM prior to war with KSA (information that surprised me as well). Not just this but a mere rocket is unlikely to score a hit on a fast-moving large ship (e.g. HSV-2 Swift) and destroy it with a single hit (multiple punctures consistent with the penetration pattern of C-802 warhead on top), in the absence of sophisticated guidance mechanisms.

Fighting who? who has this warship fought that was competent? thanks for the info.

FYI: http://missiledefenseadvocacy.org/alert/12685/

 

[925boy]

FYI: http://missiledefenseadvocacy.org/alert/12685/

You just got owned again. You said this ship has a good history of warfighting, but this link you sent only references escaping cruise missiles houthis shot at it in 1 incident. you exaggerated..

 

[LeGenD]

You just got owned again. You said this ship has a good history of warfighting, but this link you sent only references escaping cruise missiles houthis shot at it in 1 incident. you exaggerated..

FYI: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/uss-...ise-missiles-in-yemeni-waters-in-2016.543523/

Modern methods of warfare involve use of guided missile to destroy potential targets, this much is obvious. Crew of USS Mason demonstrated excellent vigilance and had a very small window (seconds) to respond to incoming attacks in each event (3 times), and the crew delivered in each case, shielding other vessels in the process. Thanks to USN, Houthi were not able to threaten shipping activities in the region again.

A lesser equipped and professional equipped force would have suffered losses in similar situations. Sea skimming ASCM such as C-802 are very capable and dangerous munitions, in the wrong hands.

 

[TsAr]

There should be no doubt that the Arleigh Burke class ships are the most lethal and modern ships and it would be no easy task to bypass there defenses. But to expect Houti's to sink or even hit a USA navy warship with whatever missile they have would be unthinkable. Getting hands on a missile and learning how to use it effectively are 2 different things which these rebels would never understand or achieve. Remember during the afghan war when initially the mujahideen were provide with stingers they were not successful and they had to be trained extensively with CIA and ISI.

 

[sparten]

Quite true..
more importantly, these military to military connections still run deep and a Russia lean isn’t going to happen overnight

The few times during the current war when cooperation worked well was when we had senior officers on both sides who got along well.
Kiyani and Patreaus. For instance.