Naval guards: India moves to downgrade diplomatic ties with Italy

[ares]

And you know what happened? Beyond what Indian propaganda fed to you in your newspapers? Indian Ocean is infested with pirates near India. If Indian navy is doing their job, other countries don't need to post guards to secure the sea lane.

Do tell, which parts of India ocean is infested with pirates, how many pirate attacks have actually taken place near Indian coast line in recent past?

Normal fisherman boat won't approach a merchant ship in high speed and not back away when warned. These two Indian "fishermen" were clearly working for the pirates as advance scout. The two Italian marines were protecting the safety of the ship. Besides it's in international water.

And How do you know the fishing vessel approached the merchant ship at high speed or the warning shot were fired ..has this been corroborated in the vessel's radar plots..if so , in which court?
Your second statement about these unarmed fisherman being "advance scout"..actually shows how dumb you are!!
Purpose of scout ship(if there were any such thing in piracy) is spot a vessel and report to the mother ship(so that the mother ship can launch an attack). Obviously an unarmed "scout ship" will not approach a vessel at high speeds, to scare it off, make it increase it speed.

If India has so much evidence as you claimed, why don't you try them in court instead of holding them for a year. That just means you have nothing beyond trumped up charge. The Italian government is wise to remove their people from a banana republic.

Indian judicial process is slow but just, you do not put the cart before the horse, investigation has to be carried out before a final charge sheet is submitted infact the case is already going on Kerla high court and marines were released on bail.

By pulling off this stunt Italian govt has assured that its ambassador is now involved in criminal conspiracy to escape felons..which might not spell to good for him, if Indian govt is able to find a legal way around his diplomatic immunity.

 

[DV RULES]

In my point of Indian should take strict stance and current moves by India is what should be done. If that happened by Indians then i don't think they even allowed to leave and behave improper. Italy should send back to be stand in front of court.

 

[IndianArmy]

And you know what happened? Beyond what Indian propaganda fed to you in your newspapers? Indian Ocean is infested with pirates near India. If Indian navy is doing their job, other countries don't need to post guards to secure the sea lane.

Securing Indian Ocean is not just the responsibility of Indian Navy, and besides International Maritime Organization is very happy with Indian Navy's role in Anti-Piracy. It is not because of Indian Navy that the IMO happened to push for Armed guards on Merchant vessel but for deterrence.

As quoted by the IMO itself " It is not an alternative to best management practices and other protective measures".

Normal fisherman boat won't approach a merchant ship in high speed and not back away when warned. These two Indian "fishermen" were clearly working for the pirates as advance scout. The two Italian marines were protecting the safety of the ship. Besides it's in international water.

Indian Fishermen have every right to go near the ship if it has entered Indian waters which it did. The boat was returning from their fishing expedition and was waiting for the tanker to pass when the security men on board the tanker fired at the boat.

If India has so much evidence as you claimed, why don't you try them in court instead of holding them for a year. That just means you have nothing beyond trumped up charge. The Italian government is wise to remove their people from a banana republic.

If they had issued warning, there is no reason why the captain of that ship had to delete the Archives of "voyage data recorder" before handing it over for Investigation.

no record was produced to show that the marines, before shooting down the fishermen, had even intimated any piracy threat to the Captain of the ship or that the Captain had recorded the same. Also there is no document in support of the plea that the Master had activated the Ship Alert Security System or that any signal was sent to the MRCC, Mercury chart or to any of the Navies across the world, and how the hell can this be stated an Anti-Piracy effort if the Ship violated International Norms. Its a Cold Blooded Murder.

Indian Judiciary system is slow because it wants a fair trial. Even Kasab of whom 1.7 billion people were witness had to undergo a trial of more than 4 years.

 

[fast]

Indian Fishermen have every right to go near the ship if it has entered Indian waters which it did.

Sure, Indian fishermen acting like pirates have every right to go near a ship and the merchant's guards have every right to defend against any threat.

no record was produced to show that the marines, before shooting down the fishermen, had even intimated any piracy threat to the Captain of the ship or that the Captain had recorded the same. Also there is no document in support of the plea that the Master had activated the Ship Alert Security System or that any signal was sent to the MRCC, Mercury chart or to any of the Navies across the world, and how the hell can this be stated an Anti-Piracy effort if the Ship violated International Norms. Its a Cold Blooded Murder.

As you claimed there's no record, how do you disapprove those actions didn't happen? You are just twisted words to justify holding the two Italians for a year. Indian vessel approached merchant ship like a pirate and got beaten back. Let that be a lesson to any future Indian vessel acting on behalf of the pirates.

Indian Judiciary system is slow because it wants a fair trial. Even Kasab of whom 1.7 billion people were witness had to undergo a trial of more than 4 years.

Holding someone for a year without trial is fair? No wonder India is a banana republic.

 

[IndianArmy]

Sure, Indian fishermen acting like pirates have every right to go near a ship and the merchant's guards have every right to defend against any threat.

They do Have the Right to defend, but they have to alert the Maritime Rescue Coordination Center before doing it. Otherwise its a Murder not rescue.

As you claimed there's no record, how do you disapprove those actions didn't happen? You are just twisted words to justify holding the two Italians for a year. Indian vessel approached merchant ship like a pirate and got beaten back. Let that be a lesson to any future Indian vessel acting on behalf of the pirates.

If there is no records it only means that it dint happen. Every thing has records for gods sake, every communication of the captain is recorded, every piracy alarm or security alarm is recorded, how do you think in this case it happened without any records? There is no proof on the Italian side to substantiate its claim that they shot down a pirate vessel as they themselves discarded all the proof which they knew would act against them.

The FIR filed by the captain of the Italian ship when it went to court , it was not even enclosed with a single proof and the plea was rejected the very first day of trial.

Holding someone for a year without trial is fair? No wonder India is a banana republic.

Who told you trial wasn't underway? Italian Marines were granted Parol by the court which by itself is an indication that the trial was underway and by not returning they have escalated their tensions. Contempt of court is the worst one can do to himself and it is a clear indication that the Marines are guilty.

 

[ganimi kawa]

Guys, when are you all gonna realise that Mr. Fast is nothing but a hong wu on stetoids? Please ignore the BS.

On topic, let us give GoI some time. Desperate times ahead for the ruling coalition. We may see some face saving measures from MMS.

 

[SEAL]

India and Pakistan have seen tough times this incident is nothing compare to them i think congress only playing for elections.
On a serious note its a shame for politicians Raymond Davis got away from Pakistan and Italian marines from India.

 

[mehboobkz]

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[GORKHALI]

India and Pakistan have seen tough times this incident is nothing compare to them i think congress only playing for elections.
On a serious note its a shame for politicians Raymond Davis got away from Pakistan and Italian marines from India.

In India case they are not yet gone,we didn't swapped with blood money unlike Pakistan.Next time Please don't count us in your league.

 

[SEAL]

In India case they are not yet gone,we didn't swapped with blood money unlike Pakistan.Next time Please don't count us in your league.

My bad in Pakistan case US senator and current secstat came to receive that criminal, India case is even more humiliating so yes you are right we can't compare two.

 

[JanjaWeed]

No seriously, its a good move. But it was obviously a stupid HC decision to send them back a 2end time to cast votes...

Sounds more like a pre-scripted decision than a stupid one. Italian law permits it's nationals to vote by post from a foreign country... & I would be surprised if our courts were not aware of this. To top it up.. even our government did not object to Italians travel, knowing full well that they don't have to.

 

[帅的一匹]

Indian government is a joke, they renegade people's willing and India honor is under tread. Shame of Italian government as well. If those two bastards were caught by Chinese, they sure will be put to death penalty or life sentence.

 

[livingdead]

First question is why were they allowed to leave to vote. Its all seem to be part of some badly scripted bollywood movie.

 

[Screambowl]

First question is why were they allowed to leave to vote. Its all seem to be part of some badly scripted bollywood movie.

could be under geneva convention but but but indeed it's a Bollywood story. It's pure and very very strong diplomacy played by India. and they will cover it.

 

[帅的一匹]

Any compensation from Italy side killing innocent fishmen?