National Air Defense Command (NADCOM) - Updates & Discussions.

[The Eagle]

Step by step and tier to tier development. Pakistan is developing in the manner where we have limited budget and size.

 

[YeBeWarned]

We did acquire them for sure but not sure if they were leased or purchased. In fact, the presence of these batteries was disclosed here on PDF which lead to some serious repercussions.

No wonder it can raise some Eye brows in Defense Establishment , if they want to keep it a secret than its best to let it
but HQ-9 will eventually be made public , when we will make it Official ..
so if Indians did launch an Attack after Mumbai they might get some Real Nasty surprise

Step by step and tier to tier development. Pakistan is developing in the manner where we have limited budget and size.

lets just say , making it Official in Due time ...
SAM's are easy to hide getting international Attention but one can not hide any Air craft Purchase

 

[The Eagle]

lets just say , making it Official in Due time ...
SAM's are easy to hide getting international Attention but one can not hide any Air craft Purchase

Well I would say, you are on point here. Also, when it is not easy to get shiny yet hell of maintenance etc birds, would be better to build the defence tier by tier as after all it is about proper counter measures.

 

[Gryphon]

Very well put.

It is far better, for Pakistan, to have in-depth anti-aircraft defences than to struggle to keep up with buying big, shiny toys that burn up a hundred years of maintenance for thousands of poor and starving families.

Your point about not having intentions to attack India is also very relevant, in a back-handed kind of way. If you invest in these safeguards, and not in F-16s, your defensive intentions become very clear, and there is bound to be an immediate lessening of the tension in Air Force circles in India. If the trend continues, expect to see a massive shift of resources towards the more powerful menace that India has.

I only wish the Pakistan Army would do something similar. In terms of policy and strategic interpretation of that policy, I mean.

These MR-SAMs have been purchased for protecting PAF airfields and other sensitive installations. They are no alternative to a 4.5 gen fighter. Only SAMs cannot prevent air attacks by an aggressor.

Pakistan doesn't need silly lectures from Indians. The defence planners are competent enough.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Well I would say, you are on point here. Also, when it is not easy to get shiny yet hell of maintenance etc birds, would be better to build the defence tier by tier as after all it is about proper counter measures.

Can't agree more than that

 

[MastanKhan]

Its cheap to have 2-3 level of Good Air Defense System with Cover from your existing Air force Fleet .. our neighbors are big , Financially strong and have big Budget so we can't always keep up with them when it comes to buying Modern Fighters .. and we have no intentions to Attack India or Israel ( JK ) .. so our main Objective is to maintain minimum deterrence , or in other words , we won't let Indians Gaining Air superiority over Pakistan's Skies ..
i really have this wish that Pakistan and Israel maintain some Back door diplomatic relationships .. so in future we can see some deals

Hi,

First of all---why would you even " suggest " " not attacking israel " in the first place---and in the next breath you talk of befriending israel---the word attack and israel should be deleted out of the pakistani vocabulary.

Can you guys simply leave israel out of discussion when talkign about fighting someone.

I guess you are not old enough to understand that CHEAP is bad---it has always been bad and it will always be bad---.

Anything that is good---does not come cheap---you have to pay a price for it.

A superior aircraft will gain air superiority by the default of its DESIGN FUNCTION---.

As a brick laying machine lays rows of bricks---and as a road roller compresses the dirt and as a bull dozer excavates dirt and as a carpenter builds items from wood and as a diesel locomotive pulls a train---an air superiority / air dominance fighter aircraft pulverizes the enemy aircraft and enemy defense installations to gain superiority over enemy air space---.

And again---that is the default function of its design.

Very well put.

It is far better, for Pakistan, to have in-depth anti-aircraft defences than to struggle to keep up with buying big, shiny toys that burn up a hundred years of maintenance for thousands of poor and starving families.

Your point about not having intentions to attack India is also very relevant, in a back-handed kind of way. If you invest in these safeguards, and not in F-16s, your defensive intentions become very clear, and there is bound to be an immediate lessening of the tension in Air Force circles in India. If the trend continues, expect to see a massive shift of resources towards the more powerful menace that India has.

I only wish the Pakistan Army would do something similar. In terms of policy and strategic interpretation of that policy, I mean.



Don't even think about it. Save your money to develop the economy. That is a sounder defence.



I believe that this is not a fact as yet, but this and other such developments will move it gradually but irreversibly into that space. Which will be good all around.

Hi,

The only way to stop india is for pakistan to have aggressive designs---. It needs shiny new toys---not many of them.

Just 2---2 1/2 sqdrns and 4 sqdrns of JH7B's---air launched babur cruise missiles and my indian neighbors would be singing a new tune---which would be much more peaceful.

Paf is run and managed by gutless cowards whose only interest is their children's business ventures.

Without pakistan have a potent strike force---india would never allow pakistan to develop---it will always bring ourt one thing or another and keep pakistan bogged down.

And you guys are lucky---the fools did not listen to my advice or we would have been running circles around the indian dramas---.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Hi,

First of all---why would you even " suggest " " not attacking israel " in the first place---and in the next breath you talk of befriending israel---the word attack and israel should be deleted out of the pakistani vocabulary.

Can you guys simply leave israel out of discussion when talkign about fighting someone.

I guess you are not old enough to understand that CHEAP is bad---it has always been bad and it will always be bad---.

Anything that is good---does not come cheap---you have to pay a price for it.

A superior aircraft will gain air superiority by the default of its DESIGN FUNCTION---.

As a brick laying machine lays rows of bricks---and as a road roller compresses the dirt and as a bull dozer excavates dirt and as a carpenter builds items from wood and as a diesel locomotive pulls a train---an air superiority / air dominance fighter aircraft pulverizes the enemy aircraft and enemy defense installations to gain superiority over enemy air space---.

And again---that is the default function of its design.

Pu-bic hair have never been able to stop a pe-nis from penetrating a va-gina---even thought they may look ominous in shape and form.




Hi,

The only way to stop india is for pakistan to have aggressive designs---. It needs shiny new toys---not many of them.

Just 2---2 1/2 sqdrns and 4 sqdrns of JH7B's---air launched babur cruise missiles and my indian neighbors would be singing a new tune---which would be much more peaceful.

Paf is run and managed by gutless cowards whose only interest is their children's business ventures.

Without pakistan have a potent strike force---india would never allow pakistan to develop---it will always bring ourt one thing or another and keep pakistan bogged down.

And you guys are lucky---the fools did not listen to my advice or we would have been running circles around the indian dramas---.

Very well, then, let us count our blessings and be thankful that they do not listen to your advice. That works.

 

[Gryphon]

Thanks for posting. But is the information mentioned in image 1 detailing a system or a company (three systems) ??

 

[YeBeWarned]

Hi,

First of all---why would you even " suggest " " not attacking israel " in the first place---and in the next breath you talk of befriending israel---the word attack and israel should be deleted out of the pakistani vocabulary.

Why not ? do we have any Direct confrontation with Israel NO ? yeah i heard about kahutta etc but still who else is not involved in Sabotaging the other countries via different means ... have you not heard " the enemy of my enemy is my Friend " ... unless Israel is directly involved in any Attack against Pakistani soil i would keep my opinion to at least start a diplomatic ties with them .. you can disagree Sir but its my opinion ..

Can you guys simply leave israel out of discussion when talkign about fighting someone.

in case you miss i wrote ( JK ) which surely means Just kidding if that makes you confused ..

I guess you are not old enough to understand that CHEAP is bad---it has always been bad and it will always be bad---.

Anything that is good---does not come cheap---you have to pay a price for it.

A superior aircraft will gain air superiority by the default of its DESIGN FUNCTION---.

I am trying to understand how my age is in focus here ?? either i am 10 years old or a 200 years old Vampire , lets stick with Topic shall we ?

i never claim that cheap is good or it can't be always bad as well ..now SAM's are just a stop gap where you cant keep up with your neighbor who has 5 times bigger defense budget compared to ours ..if we start the Arms race to compare indian bullet by bullet we would be defaulter and destroyed long ago .. our army has maintain minimum deterrence which is working fine for now ..

I wont disagree that a AS Fighter is by design to dominate the skies , but you miss my point there .. PAF will mostly be fighting most of its battle over PA skies , with cover of SAM's, AWACS and MANPAD's in a very good Net centric Environment it wont be easy for India even with Rafale to gain Air Superiority over PA skies ..

 

[MastanKhan]

Why not ? do we have any Direct confrontation with Israel NO ? yeah i heard about kahutta etc but still who else is not involved in Sabotaging the other countries via different means ... have you not heard " the enemy of my enemy is my Friend " ... unless Israel is directly involved in any Attack against Pakistani soil i would keep my opinion to at least start a diplomatic ties with them .. you can disagree Sir but its my opinion ..



in case you miss i wrote ( JK ) which surely means Just kidding if that makes you confused ..



I am trying to understand how my age is in focus here ?? either i am 10 years old or a 200 years old Vampire , lets stick with Topic shall we ?

i never claim that cheap is good or it can't be always bad as well ..now SAM's are just a stop gap where you cant keep up with your neighbor who has 5 times bigger defense budget compared to ours ..if we start the Arms race to compare indian bullet by bullet we would be defaulter and destroyed long ago .. our army has maintain minimum deterrence which is working fine for now ..

I wont disagree that a AS Fighter is by design to dominate the skies , but you miss my point there .. PAF will mostly be fighting most of its battle over PA skies , with cover of SAM's, AWACS and MANPAD's in a very good Net centric Environment it wont be easy for India even with Rafale to gain Air Superiority over PA skies ..

Hi,

Just because the neighbor is 5 times bigger does not mean much---.

We are 5 times smaller---that means we can utilize a higher quality equipment in lesser numbers because of our geographical positioning in relation to the enemy's.

The Pak army's minimal deterrence is not working fine---you have been lied to and you do not have the ability to understand the damage it has caused---because since---2002---you have been on the back foot---your country has been sabotaged ruthlessly and brutally by the enemy for the last 14 years and you act clueless to the damage to YOUR PROGRESS---.

With a weak military---where you can only make retaliatory threats of using tactical nucs---you are just a slave to the enemy's propaganda and enemy's sabotage of your facilities and LOC violations---.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Hi,

Just because the neighbor is 5 times bigger does not mean much---.

We are 5 times smaller---that means we can utilize a higher quality equipment in lesser numbers because of our geographical positioning in relation to the enemy's.

The Pak army's minima; deterrence is not working fine---you have bneen lied to and you do not have the ability to understand the damage it has cause---because since---2002---you have been on the back foot---your country has been sabotaged ruthlessly and brutally by the enemy for the last 14 years and you act clueless to the damage to YOUR PROGRESS---.

With a weak military---where you can only make retaliatory threats of using tactical nucs---you are just a slave to the enemy's propaganda and enemy's sabotage of your facilities and LOC violations---.

it does matter if your enemy is 5 times bigger than you in almost every aspect ..
sitting in Air condition bed room and using a fancy laptop to type long post is easy Sir .. ground realities are different , a war will hurt not just Indian but Pakistan, and not just Physically but financially as well .

Let me know which country is in line to sell you High end Equipment ? recently your Country refused to give f-sholay to PAF in subsidized Price , i don't see you protesting against the Congress or white house ? don't you think you should prove where you loyalties lie ?

that Minimum det Policy at least did good enough to keep Indians from Attacking Pakistan in 2002, 2008 and now 2016 ..my Country is on back foot not because of lies we were feed but because of the WOT and corrupt Politicians and general Public who always forget to pay tax ...

Sir there is a Reason Pakistan Tested its Nukes in 99's , everyone knows Pakistan is no position to use a TN because the out come will be devastating .. and not just that , but i won't mind if Enemy is busy doing Propaganda which is what they are good at ..and if you follow the news lately you do realize how Isolate Pakistan has become

Hi,

Just because the neighbor is 5 times bigger does not mean much---.

We are 5 times smaller---that means we can utilize a higher quality equipment in lesser numbers because of our geographical positioning in relation to the enemy's.

The Pak army's minima; deterrence is not working fine---you have bneen lied to and you do not have the ability to understand the damage it has cause---because since---2002---you have been on the back foot---your country has been sabotaged ruthlessly and brutally by the enemy for the last 14 years and you act clueless to the damage to YOUR PROGRESS---.

With a weak military---where you can only make retaliatory threats of using tactical nucs---you are just a slave to the enemy's propaganda and enemy's sabotage of your facilities and LOC violations---.

it does matter if your enemy is 5 times bigger than you in almost every aspect ..
sitting in Air condition bed room and using a fancy laptop to type long post is easy Sir .. ground realities are different , a war will hurt not just Indian but Pakistan, and not just Physically but financially as well .

Let me know which country is in line to sell you High end Equipment ? recently your Country refused to give f-sholay to PAF in subsidized Price , i don't see you protesting against the Congress or white house ? don't you think you should prove where you loyalties lie ?

that Minimum det Policy at least did good enough to keep Indians from Attacking Pakistan in 2002, 2008 and now 2016 ..my Country is on back foot not because of lies we were feed but because of the WOT and corrupt Politicians and general Public who always forget to pay tax ...

Sir there is a Reason Pakistan Tested its Nukes in 99's , everyone knows Pakistan is no position to use a TN because the out come will be devastating .. and not just that , but i won't mind if Enemy is busy doing Propaganda which is what they are good at ..and if you follow the news lately you do realize how Isolate Pakistan has become

 

[YeBeWarned]

Hi,

You happened to be in that position due to your own miserable mistakes---error in judgement---a lack of understanding the level of oncoming future threats---or just out of pure treason by the Paf high command.

Every country was in line to sell you the weapons in 2002-03-04-05---. It is you who screwed up the opportunities one after the other---.

God gave you the goose that laid the golden egg and you slaughtered the goose to get the eggs all at one time---.

You are a pariah nation now---no one cares for you anymore---except for china---and that is also due to the south china seas crisis that it is in---otherwise china also had written you off in 2012---.

You pakistanis screwed at the start of the war on terror---. As a nation---if you only had brains to understand that a christian army was going to invade a muslim nation and would create major problems for you in the future---you would have done everything possible to go inside afg and take out OBL and his cohorts and given their dead bodies to the U S.

You pakistanis did not have any brains to comprehend that threat---because the only time your brain works is when someone is in distress and you can squeeze out money from them---steal their property---take bribes---.

All you pakistanis are ready to pop up an excuse---one after the other---because that is all you can do---why---because it the easiest thing to do---.

Sorry but this post is nothing but a Desperate attempt from you Sir ... i guess You people are not your people and our country is not yours, so i guess you Live happy in USA where you can shout U S A , U S A after every AQ leader killed by US strike

 

[MastanKhan]

Sorry but this post is nothing but a Desperate attempt from you Sir ... i guess You people are not your people and our country is not yours, so i guess you Live happy in USA where you can shout U S A , U S A after every AQ leader killed by US strike

Hi,

Neither do you have the intellect---and nor the ability to understand what I stated---and why would you---because you are a pakistani---.

You have destroyed your country at a time when Allah gave you the opportunity to build it---it gave you the means placed on a platter---MUNN O SALVA---and just like the them---you rejected it---.

Every AQ leader should have been killed by the pak army and their dead bodies sent to the U S even before the invasion---so that christian armies would not invade on a muslim land----.

It because of you thoughtless people like you---christian armies entered muslim lands some 14 years ago---and their blood lust has not ended even with over 4 million dead muslims and 20 million + homeless.

Sorry but this post is nothing but a Desperate attempt from you Sir ... i guess You people are not your people and our country is not yours, so i guess you Live happy in USA where you can shout U S A , U S A after every AQ leader killed by US strike

Hi,

I am responding to you---because you are from my motherland---you might learn something---.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Hi,

Neither do you have the intellect---and nor the ability to understand what I stated---and why would you---because you are a pakistani---.

You have destroyed your country at a time when Allah gave you the opportunity to build it---it gave you the means placed on a platter---MUNN O SALVA---and just like the them---you rejected it---.

Every AQ leader should have been killed by the pak army and their dead bodies sent to the U S even before the invasion---so that christian armies would not invade on a muslim land----.

It because of you thoughtless people like you---christian armies entered muslim lands some 14 years ago---and their blood lust has not ended even with over 4 million dead muslims and 20 million + homeless.

Sir this is not the Desired thread to reply everything you write .. this Thread is about Air Defense of Pakistan .
now as far as my intellect is concern it may be less but i am here to learn , which our conversation really teach me nothing except for one thing that you don't know the norms of having a Conversation by NOT going off topic .

as far as this Christian/Muslim army is concern , again its off topic .... create another thread and than we can Talk about it anytime you want

No one take this Country as MANO salva from Allah, I know what my Grandparents has left behind to come to this country .. my distant relatives in India are still enjoying the huge and expensive Properties left by my Grandparents to come to this Country ... lost few in the process so please don't tell me that we rejected .
i respect all countries , Religion , Human being and their Opinions .. That's what i did with you .

regards

Hi,

I am responding to you---because you are from my motherland---you might learn something---.

So far i learn nothing except that you really don't know how to stick to the Topic , With respect sire

 

[MastanKhan]

So far i learn nothing except that you really don't know how to stick to the Topic , With respect sire

Hi,

It is for the reason that you have yet to be broken down and then built up ( but only if you chose to )---once that happens---you will begin to understand---.

There are many on this board who were apprehensive at first but are believers now---and my tune has not changed in the last 11 years.