National Air Defense Command (NADCOM) - Updates & Discussions.

[Muhammad Omar]

Any Chance of getting Aster 30?? We should Also get some of these (East & West Combo)

 

[Zarvan]

Any Chance of getting Aster 30?? We should Also get some of these (East & West Combo)

I think recent visit of Italian defence minster and other Armed Forces delegates are related to this

 

[vizier]

That is great news and I hope local indigeneous production capabilitiy will be acquired as well for such systems and for future development.

FM-90 would be the protector component of your medium range mobile sams. It fits this role as it can engage anti radiation missiles and cruise missiles as an active defense component. Pantsyr also covers that role but it has some degree of high altitude air defense capability about 15km other than that advantage HQ16-FM-90 combo would cover more range and altitude and active protection capability.


What I think for the future of short range defense FM-90 type of systems is that the search-acquisition radars would be more stealthy such as fmcw type of low signature radars and engagement radar can be complemented with infrared array sensor and laser rangefinder on the vehicle to engage low observable targets better.

There are can be several steps for you to acquire total local production capability iteratively and agile with vital component production acquired priorly after agreements with China in my opinion such as:

- You can initially start producing the bullets-misssiles themselves. Production of FM-90 command guided missiles would be easier since they are more simplistic. HQ 16 missiles have semiactive or possibly an active monopulse radar on the nose which is more complex but needs to be acquired for local missile production capability. That would relax your hand.
-You can access main system radars software and start customising software yourself like testing eccm algorithms,pulse compression and scan pattern algorithms for improved performance and protection of the systems.
-The most complex part would be the search and engagement radars of those sam systems hardware components,processors etc. But you can again iteratively produce some parts locally and import the more sensitive parts until you can produce them fully on your own.

 

[nomi007]

great to see this
after adding HQ-9 system
we are in better position

aster 30 may be European & USA will not allow its sale to Pakistan

 

[Major Sam]

Better yet!


40 km (or 70), it is defensive with an 80% kill rate..look at the altitude too..low ad high..


That makes it 1200 missiles in 15 systems, multiply it by two for the next batch and it will be 2400 missiles...

Each (five) Company is equipped with one search radar, two tracking vehicles, one command vehicle and eight launchers; each launcher has eight vehicles and each vehicle has eight missiles. These missiles are part of a new integrated Army and Air Force Command. Pakistan might order another five Companies for the defense Air bases and strong hold installation.

Courtesy: H. Khan

Seems 64 Missiles in Each System

PAF has purchased 5 companies (each with 3 systems or batteries). Each system has 4 launcher vehicles. That is 4 x 6 = 24 is the number of missiles (loaded) at a time.

Na, You should check H. Khan report. That's more precise and accurate.

 

[The SC]

This is encouraging but not the end. With 8 formidable AWACS, the modernization of the air defense systems will help push Pakistan towards a better position. But two critical elements are missing: military satellites and long range air defense missiles ideally in the 250km+ range. As long as this two elements are missing, the job is half done. Unfortunately, based on available information, Pakistan is years away from fielding either of this two crucial systems.

Both can be easily acquired from China, since CPEC has some of China's vital interest and it covers all of Pakistan..

 

[I S I]

Awesome

 

[Muhammad Omar]

I think recent visit of Italian defence minster and other Armed Forces delegates are related to this

I hope so... There was news of Defence Corporation will be increase between 2 countries..

 

[Zarvan]

I hope so... There was news of Defence Corporation will be increase between 2 countries..

I am also hoping we get French version of FREMM frigates. Because that version not only have VLS for Air Defence but also for land attack

 

[Gryphon]

Each (five) Company is equipped with one search radar, two tracking vehicles, one command vehicle and eight launchers; each launcher has eight vehicles and each vehicle has eight missiles.

I am unable to understand this part. How can one launcher have 8 vehicles ?

Pakistan has purchased six more batteries of the China Aerospace Long-March International LY-80 surface-to-air missile system for US $373.23 million in the financial year 2014-15, MoDP reports in its Year Book 2014-15.

In the financial year 2013-14, three batteries of LY-80 SAM system were purchased for US $225.770 million, with eight units of the IBIS-150 air defense surveillance radar for $40 million, MoDP reported in its Year Book 2013-14.

Pakistan buys additional medium-range SAMs

This information indicates that each company consists of 3 systems.


I believe each company has one IBIS-150 air defense surveillance radar which provides search info to the C&C vehicle. The info is then forwarded to the tracking and guidance radar vehicle (which has its own radar that is not to be purchased separately but is included with every system). This makes me conclude that Pakistan has already purchased target searching radars for 8 companies of LY-80.


The following picture (edited by me) explains the details given by Haris Khan about each company of LY-80. It does not appear correct to me.

@Horus @Major Sam @Windjammer @The SC @Path-Finder @fatman17 @Bilal Khan (Quwa)

 

[Army research]

Now finally if it materializes win hq 9 as well pad can finally not waste money on 4.5 buy wait for 5th get or instead can buy the latest AWACS integrate em with the air defense and there you go and paf can then dedicate it self to an extent to prove air cover and cas to advancing troops

 

[salarsikander]

Air Defense and Cyber capabilities become more important every day.
Nice development for Pakistan

The latter can render the former useless if carefully executed

 

[DavidSling]

The latter can render the former useless if carefully executed

Not only this, Cyber is a daily war.
Pakistan should form Cyber defense command like Israel did, while conventional war is unlikely, Cyber war is 24/7.
“Israel represents only 0.1 percent of the world’s population but 20 percent of global investments (in cyber security),”
As for air defense command, multi-layer defense systems in form of laser and missile defense systems.
While current missile interception do the work, laser is way more affordable and cost effective, and it's the future.
Israel for example, already have anti missile laser battery prototype by RAFAEL called Iron Beam.
Israel interceptors (from very short range to exo-atmospheric)
Iron Beam - Future
Iron Dome - Current
Patriot - Phasing out
David Sling - Current
Arrow 2 - Current
Arrow 3 - Advance Stages

And navy interceptors also integrate into the national defense
C Dome - Naval Iron Dome
Barak 1 and Barak 8

Pakistan should work to achieve multiple layers like those above in order to defend it's country from current and future threats

 

[Falcon26]

Both can be easily acquired from China, since CPEC has some of China's vital interest and it covers all of Pakistan..

Very doubtful China will gift Pakistan a military satellite. Would have happened by now.

 

[Major Sam]

I am unable to understand this part. How can one launcher have 8 vehicles ?




This information indicates that each company consists of 3 systems.


I believe each company has one IBIS-150 air defense surveillance radar which provides search info to the C&C vehicle. The info is then forwarded to the tracking and guidance radar vehicle (which has its own radar that is not to be purchased separately but is included with every system). This makes me conclude that Pakistan has already purchased target searching radars for 8 companies of LY-80.


The following picture (edited by me) explains the details given by Haris Khan about each company of LY-80. It does not appear correct to me.

@Horus @Major Sam @Windjammer @The SC @Path-Finder @fatman17 @Bilal Khan (Quwa)

so yeah one company will have 64 missiles.