My land is in Afghanistan, and we have nothing in Pakistan

[Spring Onion]

So you reject the two nation theory ??

TWO nation theory applies to faith related bond and NOT nationality.

 

[Armstrong]

So you reject the two nation theory ??

No I just don't buy into the interpretation of it having anything to do with geographic or ethnic demarcations; for me it is nothing more than an expression of a Muslim Desire in that the Muslims have a History of their own, Traditions of their own & they've, over the centuries, evolved different paradigms from a myriad genres !

 

[Ayush]

ab har cheez main faida hee dhondna.

/quote]

we are baniyas right?

 

[Roybot]

Its like West blames immigrants for many social evils which has alot of truth in it.

I have grown up living Afghan refugees around in almost every locality in my city here in KPK. I can tell you good and bad both brought by them.

We must look at it as geographical curse.

Your comparison of few thousands Afghan refugees (most of whom are educated lot coming for study or trade), with millions of poor almost crossing border with Pakistan daily without visa/paper is totally wrong.

Fair point, don't get me wrong, I full understand the scale of refugee issue that Pakistan faces.

But if Pakistan had stricter gun laws, and better law enforcement in place, the problems would not have grown this big. Pakistan government is just as much to blame for letting things go out of control.

 

[Spring Onion]

we are baniyas right?

You may know better about yourself but the statistics shows majority are still doing odd jobs everyone is NOT Ambani

 

[Ayush]

You may know better about yourself but the statistics shows majority are still doing odd jobs everyone is NOT Ambani

hehe,btw,i am not a baniya myself.

 

[Spring Onion]

Fair point, don't get me wrong, I full understand the scale of refugee issue that Pakistan faces.

But if Pakistan had stricter gun laws, and better law enforcement in place, the problems would not have grown this big. Pakistan government is just as much to blame for letting things go out of control.

Pakistani GOVTS are responsible for easygoing policy on these refugees since start.. i had been a hard critique of this policy.

If you check the Iranian policy of own blue-eyed Persian Speaking Afghanistani refugees, you will be surprised.

These Afghan Refugees in Iran are still limited to camps and they cant roam freely unlike they have occupied Pakistan.

So yes you are very right about pathetic policy of Pakistani govts

hehe,btw,i am not a baniya myself.

aam admi

 

[M. Sarmad]

TWO nation theory applies to faith related bond and NOT nationality.

And how does a Pakhtun living on the other side of unnatural , unjust and political "Durand line" ,who shares religion , language , culture , ethnicity , ancestry and everything with a Pakhtun living on this side of Durand line become "other" National ??

No I just don't buy into the interpretation of it having anything to do with geographic or ethnic demarcations

If Two Nation Theory , the ideological basis of Pakistan , has nothing to do with geographic and ethnic demarcation , Then Muslims (Afghans) living in Pakistan for decades are Pakistani by all definitions !!

 

[Armstrong]

If Two Nation Theory , the ideological basis of Pakistan , has nothing to do with geographic and ethnic demarcation , Then Muslims (Afghans) living in Pakistan for decades are Pakistani by all definitions !!

No not really !

The Two Nation Theory has nothing to do with geographic or ethnic demarcations in much the same way Socialism or Secularism doesn't for it is, in my opinion, an expression of a Muslim Desire to be conscious of who they are & where they come from & a chance to express that !

I could've been achieved within India & with-out India !

I could've been achieved without India or Pakistan ever being anywhere close to it for it has nothing to do whatsoever with any Ethnic or Geographic Identities !

 

[Spring Onion]

And how does a Pakhtun living on the other side of unnatural , unjust and political "Durand line" ,who shares religion , language , culture , ethnicity , ancestry and everything with a Pakhtun living on this side of Durand line become "other" National ??

why dont you apply the same approach viz a viz those Pakistanis who have similar culture as that of Indians??

NO? Funny .

anyway having same language same dress code, above all ethnicity does not mean it makes us national of the other.

You being communist will always dream of abolishing the border with Afghanistan BUT Pakistanis and Afghanistanis love their own nationality.

If Two Nation Theory , the ideological basis of Pakistan , has nothing to do with geographic and ethnic demarcation , Then Muslims (Afghans) living in Pakistan for decades are Pakistani by all definitions !!

Bwahahahahahahahah first of all you have twisted the two-nation theory which BTW was NOT at all aimed at terming all Muslims around the world as Pakistanis.

rather it was clearly mentioning the difference between Muslims and Non-Muslims and specifically creating another MUSLIM country on the basis.

otherwise there are many Muslim countries already existing

 

[rmi5]

Pakistani GOVTS are responsible for easygoing policy on these refugees since start.. i had been a hard critique of this policy.

If you check the Iranian policy of own blue-eyed Persian Speaking Afghanistani refugees, you will be surprised.

These Afghan Refugees in Iran are still limited to camps and they cant roam freely unlike they have occupied Pakistan.

So yes you are very right about pathetic policy of Pakistani govts



aam admi

what?!!!
That's a big lie
I didn't expect to hear this from a Pakistani.

 

[Spring Onion]

what?!!!
That's a big lie
I didn't expect to hear this from a Pakistani.

my apology if the situation has changed.

But i appreciate Iran for strict policy viz a viz Afghan refugees primarily limiting them to Camps as compared to Pakistan were we had been a bad bad free-easygoing policy

 

[M. Sarmad]

No not really !

The Two Nation Theory has nothing to do with geographic or ethnic demarcations in much the same way Socialism or Secularism doesn't for it is, in my opinion, an expression of a Muslim Desire to be conscious of who they are & where they come from & a chance to express that !

I could've been achieved within India & with-out India !

I could've been achieved without India or Pakistan ever being anywhere close to it for it has nothing to do whatsoever with any Ethnic or Geographic Identities !

Socialism may idealize a ultimate stateless society or world communism . Similarly Two nation theory leads to pan Islamism .
Muslims living in British India were a separate nation , If you apply TNT to British India only , the Durand line was unjust and political demarcation which has expired already . Denying right of Pakistani nationality to Afghan refugees is infact denying the ideological basis on which Pakistan was created .

 

[Armstrong]

Socialism may idealize a ultimate stateless society or world communism . Similarly Two nation theory leads to pan Islamism .
Muslims living in British India were a separate nation , If you apply TNT to British India only , the Durand line was unjust and political demarcation which has expired already . Denying right of Pakistani nationality to Afghan refugees is infact denying the ideological basis on which Pakistan was created .

Only if one looks at it from an avidly parochial lens !

The Two Nation Theory has nothing to do with geography or ethnicity but everything to do with Muslim Expression or a Collective Consciousness in other words !

 

[M. Sarmad]

why dont you apply the same approach viz a viz those Pakistanis who have similar culture as that of Indians??
NO? Funny .
anyway having same language same dress code, above all ethnicity does not mean it makes us national of the other.
You being communist will always dream of abolishing the border with Afghanistan BUT Pakistanis and Afghanistanis love their own nationality.

You missed the most important part !!
Same "religion" along with same culture , ethnicity , ancestry etc.
Pakistan movement was all about religion !! Muslims are one nation !!
And Now Afghan Muslims are "other" nation despite the fact that they were not the ones who drew Durand line and they share everything with Pakistani Pakhtuns !!
Hypocrisy at its best ?? Ignorance ? or repudiation of Two Nation Theory ??
Yes , I want that the unnatural border b/w Pakistan and Afghanistan be re-adjusted and that has nothing to do with communism !!

Bwahahahahahahahah first of all you have twisted the two-nation theory which BTW was NOT at all aimed at terming all Muslims around the world as Pakistanis.

I haven`t twisted anything . You seem to be totally unaware of the ideological basis of creation of Pakistan .
Also Durand line was a unjust line which divided the Pakhtuns .