Poll : can we expect a mutual military operation between Iran and Pakistan to control Taliban in Afghanistan?

[Sayfullah]

Depends on what usa says. Pakistani establishment only does what usa says.

 

[Muhammed45]

We need to keep an eye on you first as you are promoting American plans for Afghanistan.

Did you know that supporting MKO terrorists makes you a commie? Why not support ISIS?

Balochistan of Iran is the safest area among Baloch living areas in other countries.

It will be good time for the military generals as an excuse to prolong thier rule over Pakistan but wait where will the money come from?

Iran and Pakistan are both neighbors of Afghanistan, therefore the only thing needed to enter Afghanistan is fuel of tank, helicopter, fighter jet, etc engines.

No because Iran and Pakistan combined can't handle Afghanistan. Bitter pill, need to swallow.

Pakistan and Iran are both Muslims. Americans wanted to eliminate Islam from Afghanistan, Iran and Pakistan will try to control and stabilize Afghanistan.

 

[R2D2]

Did you know that supporting MKO terrorists makes you a commie? Why not support ISIS?

Balochistan of Iran is the safest area among Baloch living areas in other countries.

Socialists at least took the major part in overthrowing Shah. Why you want broad based govt in Afghanistan and not allowing it in your own country. I am not supporting MKO or Baloch. I am just saying that those who live in glass houses should not throw stones at others.

 

[Muhammed45]

Socialists at least took the major part in overthrowing Shah. Why you want broad based govt in Afghanistan and not allowing it in your own country. I am not supporting MKO or Baloch. I am just saying that those who live in glass houses should not throw stones at others.

What a retarded post. This is Islamic Republic of Iran not commie republic. 98 percent of Iranians voted for Islamic Republic, that's not called a glass house you commie.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

This general Hafiz Munir has sympathy with TTP. I think he will do dialogue with taliban as we did in past.

 

[Muhammed45]

An other potential ally could be Tajikistan. Iran has provided them with drone factory, today, Tajikistan is more capable than most of other countries in yhe Central Asia.

 

[El Sidd]

In the name of Allah

As a historical fact, one of the most insecure areas of Pakistan has been its borders with Afghanistan for decades. If we want to investigate the historical matters in order to find the main reasons for it, it would not only be a long historical analysis about conflicts over interests and lands, but also it would be a waste of time since many things have changed ever since.

First and most important point is that Pakistan has suffered a lot from that hotline and hot spots on its borders with Afghanistan. However, we cannot blame it all on Afghanistan and specifically all the factions of Taliban but as a matter of fact, Taliban is just an stubborn group which has been fighting for sake of fighting with support of foreign and destabilizing powers. Many stubborn groups have popped out of its stomach and many innocent people were sacrificed, terrorized and displaced because of Taliban's activities. Millions 9f Afghans are already residing in Pakistan and Iran, so one of the common grounds could be Afghan refugees and their return to their homeland which has left a huge pressure on Iranian and Pakistani economies.

The first question that comes to mind is, is Taliban a part of Afghanistan's reality? Answer is, most possibly yes. Second question, is, is it possible to completely remove Taliban from Afghanistan? Answer is no.

Therefore and clearly, the purpose of this poll is not asking for elimination of Taliban but only to find a means to control them.

In case of Iran, there are plenty of reasons to claim that Iran wants a comprehensive government in Afghanistan to take shape and allow participation of each and every Afghani citizen to have a role in the future of their country. The mutual point between Iran and Pakistan is that both have suffered from insecurity on their borders with Afghanistan. In some cases, terrorists use borders of Afghanistan to hide, hit and run and cross border attacks on border guards. As per Pakistani claims, Indians have also tried to use this border to spy and other anti state activities against Pakistani interests.

The biggest challenge in a military alliance between Iran and Pakistan is western and Arab players' role in it. Iran has strated to permanently normalize relationship with Arab countries after trying to save Syria from falling into western camp. Today Arabs are on the way of having good relationship with Iranian government. Hence west remains the possible obstacle in their way. From Iranian point of view, west has no right to impose its will on Iranian foreign policy. All that remains is Pakistani stance.

Iran has every reason for this military cooperation with Pakistan, but Pakistanis have to first find a common ground with Iranian side and then try this solution to end the insecurity on their borders with Afghanistan. Not only that, Pakistan has to stop dependence on western hemisphere. It can open the way for economic cooperation too as we have witnessed in Irano-Russian case.

Why do you think Pakistan has any right to impose anything upon anyone? We hardly are successful imposing our constitution upon our own people.

Iran has bilateral issues with Afghanistan not trilateral involving Pakistan. Solve it at the OIC is what we can suggest.

 

[Muhammed45]

Why do you think Pakistan has any right to impose anything upon anyone? We hardly are successful imposing our constitution upon our own people.

Iran has bilateral issues with Afghanistan not trilateral involving Pakistan. Solve it at the OIC is what we can suggest.

That's utter nonsense from a former troll.

USA abused Pakistan's geopolitical importance, sacrificed Pakistani security for its own gains. Pakistan suffered in each and every possible way/shape, some elements among Afghans turned their weapons on Pakistan accusing Pakistan of enabling American rape of Afghanistan. USA conducted airstrikes on Pakistani civilians killing hundreds of them but no one said that it was Pakistan being sacrificed for American gains. Or American terrorists should leave and let Pakistan and its neighbors deal with their problems.

Most important reason was, USA being stronger side and the bullying side left Pakistani side weak, fragile and unstable. That made Americans far away from consequences of war making Pakistan a bridge to their own illegal benefits.

For decades, Americans esp CIA used that route for trafficking leaving west of Pakistan the most insecure part of this country.

Taliban was initially strengthened by CIA and still some factions of it closely cooperate with Americans. In order to remove this cancer from Pakistani and Iranian neighborhood, a close military cooperation between them is necessary. I say, not a complete war but coordinated actions to control anti state elements inside Afghanistan.

 

[El Sidd]

That's utter nonsense from a former troll.

USA abused Pakistan's geopolitical importance, sacrificed Pakistani security for its own gains. Pakistan suffered in each and every possible way/shape, some elements among Afghans turned their weapons on Pakistan accusing Pakistan of enabling American rape of Afghanistan. USA conducted airstrikes on Pakistani civilians killing hundreds of them but no one said that it was Pakistan being sacrificed for American gains. Or American terrorists should leave and let Pakistan and its neighbors deal with their problems.

Most important reason was, USA being stronger side and the bullying side left Pakistani side weak, fragile and unstable. That made Americans far away from consequences of war making Pakistan a bridge to their own illegal benefits.

For decades, Americans esp CIA used that route for trafficking leaving west of Pakistan the most insecure part of this country.

Taliban was initially strengthened by CIA and still some factions of it closely cooperate with Americans. In order to remove this cancer from Pakistani and Iranian neighborhood, a close military cooperation between them is necessary. I say, not a complete war but coordinated actions to control anti state elements inside Afghanistan.

The argument has nothing to do with the US or Pakistan's geography. It's a principle stance of non interference.

A border management protocol with representative governments however can be tabled. Otherwise what you are suggesting is doing what the Americans did in terms of making countries out of tribal Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[Muhammed45]

The argument has nothing to do with the US or Pakistan's geography. It's a principle stance of non interference.

A border management protocol with representative governments however can be tabled. Otherwise what you are suggesting is doing what the Americans did in terms of making countries out of tribal Iraq and Afghanistan.

It exactly has many things to do with west and Americans. Pakistan should decide freely and secure its borders with Afghanistan. Iran too

And I don't think that Pakistan has recognized IEA. It is same in case of Iran. That will leave both countries free to decide what to do with Afghanistan.

 

[Hephaestus]

Are you a Pakistani or Indian???

I am vulcan

 

[TheSolution]

No because Iran and Pakistan combined can't handle Afghanistan. Bitter pill, need to swallow.

Depends on how you define "handle" in this context, it's all dependent on strategy and goals.

Iranians are Persians, so are Tajiks (ethnically, linguistically and historically) who recently are at their wits end after the prolonged Pashtun control of their land marred with oppressive regimes, lack of autonomy, (genuine) human rights abuses and outright colonisation attempts of their land. This can be leveraged very well.

That being said I lean towards the first option, but you must also acknowledge how Pakistan's hands are essentially tied given its economic situation and little influence, this means acting entirely independent is far easier said, than actually done. The risks may simply outweigh the benefits too much.

 

[Bengal71]

Depends on how you define "handle" in this context, it's all dependent on strategy and goals.

Iranians are Persians, so are Tajiks (ethnically, linguistically and historically) who recently are at their wits end after the prolonged Pashtun control of their land marred with oppressive regimes, lack of autonomy, (genuine) human rights abuses and outright colonisation attempts of their land. This can be leveraged very well.

Many theories can in theory achieve leverage. The Americans with NATO just lost recently, so did the Soviets.

 

[TheSolution]

Many theories can in theory achieve leverage. The Americans with NATO just lost recently, so did the Soviets.

Some theories more probable than others, of course.

 

[313ghazi]

It will never happen.

1. Pakistan is controlled by those who's interests are accumulation of wealth and retirement to the USA. They only work for thier self interest not of Pakistani interests.

2. The above mentioned traitors are US lapdogs so they will never work with Iran.

3. Pakistan and Iran don't have a common agreed upon alternative govt in Afghanistan.

4. Pakistan and Iran have a trust deficit. They both often operate against each others interests.