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Must we make Iran an enemy?

It has legitimate worries and lots of people willing to do business with us

Wednesday, June 16, 2010

By Dan Simpson, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


It is difficult to see why the Obama administration remains on the warpath against Iran.

It follows closely in that regard on the trail of the George W. Bush administration, which included Iran with Iraq and North Korea in its "axis of evil." The George H. W. Bush regime didn't pay much attention to Iran. Ronald Reagan played ball with Iran in the famous Iran-Contra affair, even though, when the ayatollahs took over, they had held American hostages until Reagan came to power in 1981.

First on the Obama administration's bill of particulars against Iran is its development of a nuclear program. Iran claims the program is devoted to producing nuclear energy. This is a credible possibility, given that Iran wants to continue selling its dwindling oil reserves for cash and thus needs to develop alternative sources of energy to fuel its economy. The problem is that the Iranian government has sometimes lied about its nuclear program.

Nonetheless, Iran has signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, unlike U.S. allies India, Israel and Pakistan. It uses Russia as a contractor on some of its nuclear facilities and would probably be prepared to accept increased International Atomic Energy Agency inspection as part of an agreement to get the world, led by the United States, off its back. As it is, Iran uses alleged developments in its nuclear program, which it frequently hypes, as a means of sticking the needle into the United States and the West.

Although the United States maintains that Shiite Iran's Sunni-led neighbors also don't want it to have a nuclear capacity, it is nonetheless the case that to some people in the Middle East and to some Muslims elsewhere, Iran is a hero for pursuing its nuclear program in the face of U.S. opposition.

The United States also objects to Iran assisting Hezbollah, Hamas and other unpleasant actors in the Middle East and worries that it might eventually provide nuclear weapons to such groups. It might make a better argument to say that if Iran were developing its nuclear program under IAEA oversight, consistent with its NPT obligations, free of sanctions and U.S. special forces' harassment, it would not be interested in providing nuclear weapons assistance to the region's bad guys.

The question is how Iran will behave if it is beleaguered by as much of the world as the United States can rally against it, versus how it will behave if it is treated as a serious, responsible adult in the family of nations. This acceptance is undoubtedly important to the Iranian regime, only 31 years after it came to power.

The Obama administration also criticizes Iran for not being democratic. One would have thought that after the American attempt to introduce democracy to Iraq through the 2003 invasion and subsequent occupation turned into a debacle that the Obama administration would be embarrassed to keep talking about democracy in the Middle East.

There might also be reason to think that, given the state of democracy among America's other allies in the region -- as examples, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf emirates -- that the Obama administration would be happy to stay quiet about democracy in Iran.

In terms of democracy, states can be ranged from "vigorously democratic" at one end of the spectrum to "flaccidly autocratic" at the other. (The United States itself, looking at the conduct of politics in, say, South Carolina, might not get a perfect score.)

There are serious questions about the depth of democracy in Iran, particularly based on its last presidential elections. On the other hand, to measure the quality of democracy in a Middle Eastern country is, in a way, like asking how well a National Football League team plays baseball. For the Middle East, Iran doesn't do badly at democracy, so that shouldn't be cited by the Obama administration as a reason for pushing regime change there.

Then there is the taking of the American Embassy in Tehran and the imprisonment of 52 Americans in the 1979-1981 post-revolution period. I have no sympathy for the Iranians on that score, particularly since I have friends who were heroic victims of that terrible action.

Nonetheless, the new Iranian regime at that point had recent memories of the United States ousting a previous government in Iran in 1953 by getting rid of Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh and giving the Shah enhanced power to misgovern the country. It is conceivable that the new government in 1979 was afraid that another such scheme was being cooked up in the American Embassy and that it made sense to head off any such effort by shutting down the place. This doesn't make it acceptable, but it does make it comprehensible. Also, that was 31 years ago, six American presidents ago.

In the general scheme of Middle East politics, it is worth remembering that there was a time when Persian, Shiite Iran was aligned with Hebrew, Jewish Israel against the Arab, Sunni states of that troubled region. If Iran and Israel now neither maintain decent communications nor sometimes cooperate, it is important to remember that this was not always the case, even within the lifetimes of many of today's leaders of the two countries.

For me, another bottom line is that Iran is a nation of business people, as are we Americans, in spite of the bad odor into which some of our own investment houses, banks and corporations have fallen. Based on history, and on Iranians I know and have known, I just don't get the stolid enmity on our part. Are we in that desperate a search for enemies?

Dan Simpson, a former U.S. ambassador, is a Post-Gazette associate editor (dsimpson@post-gazette.com, 412 263-1976). More articles by this author


Must we make Iran an enemy?
 
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Must we make Iran an enemy?

It has legitimate worries and lots of people willing to do business with us

Wednesday, June 16, 2010

By Dan Simpson, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


It is difficult to see why the Obama administration remains on the warpath against Iran.

It follows closely in that regard on the trail of the George W. Bush administration, which included Iran with Iraq and North Korea in its "axis of evil." The George H. W. Bush regime didn't pay much attention to Iran. Ronald Reagan played ball with Iran in the famous Iran-Contra affair, even though, when the ayatollahs took over, they had held American hostages until Reagan came to power in 1981.

First on the Obama administration's bill of particulars against Iran is its development of a nuclear program. Iran claims the program is devoted to producing nuclear energy. This is a credible possibility, given that Iran wants to continue selling its dwindling oil reserves for cash and thus needs to develop alternative sources of energy to fuel its economy. The problem is that the Iranian government has sometimes lied about its nuclear program.

Nonetheless, Iran has signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, unlike U.S. allies India, Israel and Pakistan. It uses Russia as a contractor on some of its nuclear facilities and would probably be prepared to accept increased International Atomic Energy Agency inspection as part of an agreement to get the world, led by the United States, off its back. As it is, Iran uses alleged developments in its nuclear program, which it frequently hypes, as a means of sticking the needle into the United States and the West.

Although the United States maintains that Shiite Iran's Sunni-led neighbors also don't want it to have a nuclear capacity, it is nonetheless the case that to some people in the Middle East and to some Muslims elsewhere, Iran is a hero for pursuing its nuclear program in the face of U.S. opposition.

The United States also objects to Iran assisting Hezbollah, Hamas and other unpleasant actors in the Middle East and worries that it might eventually provide nuclear weapons to such groups. It might make a better argument to say that if Iran were developing its nuclear program under IAEA oversight, consistent with its NPT obligations, free of sanctions and U.S. special forces' harassment, it would not be interested in providing nuclear weapons assistance to the region's bad guys.

The question is how Iran will behave if it is beleaguered by as much of the world as the United States can rally against it, versus how it will behave if it is treated as a serious, responsible adult in the family of nations. This acceptance is undoubtedly important to the Iranian regime, only 31 years after it came to power.

The Obama administration also criticizes Iran for not being democratic. One would have thought that after the American attempt to introduce democracy to Iraq through the 2003 invasion and subsequent occupation turned into a debacle that the Obama administration would be embarrassed to keep talking about democracy in the Middle East.

There might also be reason to think that, given the state of democracy among America's other allies in the region -- as examples, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf emirates -- that the Obama administration would be happy to stay quiet about democracy in Iran.

In terms of democracy, states can be ranged from "vigorously democratic" at one end of the spectrum to "flaccidly autocratic" at the other. (The United States itself, looking at the conduct of politics in, say, South Carolina, might not get a perfect score.)

There are serious questions about the depth of democracy in Iran, particularly based on its last presidential elections. On the other hand, to measure the quality of democracy in a Middle Eastern country is, in a way, like asking how well a National Football League team plays baseball. For the Middle East, Iran doesn't do badly at democracy, so that shouldn't be cited by the Obama administration as a reason for pushing regime change there.

Then there is the taking of the American Embassy in Tehran and the imprisonment of 52 Americans in the 1979-1981 post-revolution period. I have no sympathy for the Iranians on that score, particularly since I have friends who were heroic victims of that terrible action.

Nonetheless, the new Iranian regime at that point had recent memories of the United States ousting a previous government in Iran in 1953 by getting rid of Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh and giving the Shah enhanced power to misgovern the country. It is conceivable that the new government in 1979 was afraid that another such scheme was being cooked up in the American Embassy and that it made sense to head off any such effort by shutting down the place. This doesn't make it acceptable, but it does make it comprehensible. Also, that was 31 years ago, six American presidents ago.

In the general scheme of Middle East politics, it is worth remembering that there was a time when Persian, Shiite Iran was aligned with Hebrew, Jewish Israel against the Arab, Sunni states of that troubled region. If Iran and Israel now neither maintain decent communications nor sometimes cooperate, it is important to remember that this was not always the case, even within the lifetimes of many of today's leaders of the two countries.

For me, another bottom line is that Iran is a nation of business people, as are we Americans, in spite of the bad odor into which some of our own investment houses, banks and corporations have fallen. Based on history, and on Iranians I know and have known, I just don't get the stolid enmity on our part. Are we in that desperate a search for enemies?

Dan Simpson, a former U.S. ambassador, is a Post-Gazette associate editor (dsimpson@post-gazette.com, 412 263-1976). More articles by this author


Must we make Iran an enemy?


india is against iran but due to gas and oil he is not opposing him. iran is converting oil and gas into cash and then converting them into nuclear weapon rather than invest them for country development. UAE is much better than iran they are investing there money for development rather than making nukes.
 
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india is against iran but due to gas and oil he is not opposing him.

I'm sorry you are misinformed. India always had friendly and cordial relationship with Iran. We have a strong political, cultural and business bonding between them, but yes we are opposed to nuclear armed Iran.
 
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I'm sorry you are misinformed. India always had friendly and cordial relationship with Iran. We have a strong political, cultural and business bonding between them, but yes we are opposed to nuclear armed Iran.

abe chal...it's a another face of india.
 
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India is not opposed to Iran IMO. Though we sometimes took decision against Iran partly due to foreign pressure and partly for our benefit. But we are certainly considered as friends.

Anyways bottom line is, nobody is friend or foe in international politics.
 
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More over UAE is in deal of some $ 20 billion nuclear deal with South Korean. They may decide to go nuclear at some later date, if they choose so.
 
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More over UAE is in deal of some $ 20 billion nuclear deal with South Korean. They may decide to go nuclear at some later date, if they choose so.
None of the Arab states can go nuclear without American or NSG's nod, sir. Simply because they lack domestic resources to do so. Every other nuclear country has had scientists and engineers to develop this for them.

Which country would allow them to get the data and the resources? The nuclear deal with South Korea is simply a civil nuclear deal; minus the reprocessing technology that can possibly lead to what you mentioned but will not. Low enriched uranium (LEU) is mainly used in the plants for electricity purpose.

What's more, all of the arab states have signed the NPT making them obligatory to not acquire nuclear weapons. Why do you think the whole world is clamping down on Iran? Apart from their clerical government's loose cannon threats, it is mainly because Reza Shah Pahlavi signed the NPT, unlike India, Pakistan and Israel.

A nuclear middle east would only isolate itself from the world which I am sure they won't. As such are supporting the United States against Iran as much as Israel is.
 
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can someone remind me of these cultural ties between iranians and indians?

could an iranian possibly comment, thanks?
 
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None of the Arab states can go nuclear without American or NSG's nod, sir. Simply because they lack domestic resources to do so. Every other nuclear country has had scientists and engineers to develop this for them.




Which country would allow them to get the data and the resources?



The nuclear deal with South Korea is simply a civil nuclear deal; minus the reprocessing technology that can possibly lead to what you mentioned but will not. Low enriched uranium (LEU) is mainly used in the plants for electricity purpose.

What's more, all of the arab states have signed the NPT making them obligatory to not acquire nuclear weapons.



Why do you think the whole world is clamping down on Iran? Apart from their clerical government's loose cannon threats, it is mainly because Reza Shah Pahlavi signed the NPT, unlike India, Pakistan and Israel.

A nuclear middle east would only isolate itself from the world which I am sure they won't.



As such are supporting the United States against Iran as much as Israel is.

That's fine dear Parshuram, but the point is that MONEY can buy ANYTHING now a days. Arabs, if they lack in skills, can spend money to buy the skills or on training thier scientists and engineers. Another point is that Arabs, particularly Saudi Arabia, are spending huge money on education now a days. It is going to make an impact in next 20-25 years time.

As I said MONEY SPEAKS VOLUME. Also, clandestine experiments and shared resources of data mining from friendly countries can not be ruled out.

As we all know now, NPT is crumbling under heavy pressure of HAVE's and HAVE-NOT's. How long it would last without removing the discriminatory part, is anybody's guess.

You are right a nuclearised middle east (which it is already with Israel nuclear arsenal) would isolate itself, BUT world could not afford to isolate middle east from itself with so much energy resource dependency !! It will come to terms with a nuclearised middle east, willy or nilly. This is a FACT.

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That's fine dear Parshuram, but the point is that MONEY can buy ANYTHING now a days. Arabs, if they lack in skills, can spend money to buy the skills or on training thier scientists and engineers. Another point is that Arabs, particularly Saudi Arabia, are spending huge money on education now a days. It is going to make an impact in next 20-25 years time.

Without domestic infrastructure and indigenous knowledge, no country is willing to risk it considering the volatility of the region where middle east exists. Money can buy anything these days; it is true, but I would like to disagree that they could buy of nuclear weapons off the table just like that. Knowing how fragile the governments of that region are, even France and Germany who are perhaps the most un-conditional and neutral suppliers of nuclear technology would not be willing to put Europe under severe risk. You'd know if an Iran style revolution hits that region, it is game over for many countries in the Western world.

As I said MONEY SPEAKS VOLUME. Also, clandestine experiments and shared resources of data mining from friendly countries can not be ruled out.

As we all know now, NPT is crumbling under heavy pressure of HAVE's and HAVE-NOT's. How long it would last without removing the discriminatory part, is anybody's guess.

Money can only take you to a certain level. Nuclear fuel is something but I doubt that it has something to do with nuclear weapons. Until NATO has bases in middle east, their intelligence will keep an eye on such developments if at all they take place.

Well as long as the current P5 signatories exist, the pressure of NPT will continue. An exemption to your country is simply because United States trusts your non-proliferation records and because apart from United States, the other 4 permanent members and countries under their influence were also convinced of your nuclear stability.

Knowing the uncertainty about the region that you mention, I doubt either the NSG or the Security Council would be sure; simply because most of the middle east is a signatory to NPT. Once signed, it cannot be rejected.

You are right a nuclearised middle east (which it is already with Israel nuclear arsenal) would isolate itself, BUT world could not afford to isolate middle east from itself with so much energy resource dependency !! It will come to terms with a nuclearised middle east, willy or nilly. This is a FACT.

My dear man, a nuclearised middle east also pretty much depends on everything edible and consumable equally and sometimes greater than other countries' demand for energy. With alternative fuels in the near future and regions like South America and Russia capitalizing on this demand, it would put the Arabs on equal or perhaps greater trouble to negotiate.

Remember the oil embargo of 70s? Ultimately they had to come to the table first, not others. This is why dependence on natural resources alone is not a good thing for any economy to be a power.

Russia recently is living in that but the contingency that it has is that it has a vast pool of technological capability with almost complete independence from any foreign country in terms of these requirements. Whether it is aeronautical, automobile, heavy engineering or medicine, Russians have it all of their own people.

Middle East on the other hand has money because it sits on a pile of energy resources and the world has a couple of other alternatives just as in the 70s. It cannot simply afford to keep countries under its thumb because a stoppage in their oil supply would mean that many days of closure of their luxury as well. And having frequently visiting the region due to work, I am very well aware of the region's money spending on consumer goods. In order to sustain themselves for more than a few weeks considering the rate of their consumer level spending, the oil needs to reach foreign ports on a daily, hourly basis as the money needs to be transacted back. Without that, everything in the region would come to a stand still.

First Gulf War is a simple example of how one country's instability in the region can have a domino effect in the region, whether rich in oil or not.


It is not any region-specific bias but rather plain, hardcore economics.
 
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