Muslims Want Reservation, Not Quran and Computers: Owaisi

[I.R.A]

SHUT UP REMEMBER GUJARAT?ONLY HINDUs BRAHMINS DESERVE RESERVATION !

@janon there you go today's master piece for you to end the day.

 

[Screambowl]

In India reservations are not given to Ruling class, Bhai Musalmano ne toh 1000 saal huqumat ki hai... LOL! Muslims are trolling themselves.

 

[Tshering22]

Now we know who wants Muslims to remain backward and dependent on government concessions& who wants them ton become respected citizens.


Secularism anyone?

 

[MilSpec]

Dalits account for about 25% of Indian population but they do not even have 2.5% resources of the nation. Illiteracy, malnutrition, infant mortality, poverty, exploitation are highest in this community. If one thing that really makes me ashamed of my country is the condition of dalits. Muslims are poor too and they also are discriminated but not like them. If any reform is needed of this 67 year old framework that is to expedite the process of their upliftment.

And thus reforms are needed.....
If the existing framework has not worked in last 67 years to mitigate the disadvantages of certain communities, it definitely needs a relook to focus on communities not just based on caste and religion but geographic location, local infrastructure, social indicators, state budget allocation, educational framework evaluation, and additional assistance program.

that is the premise of previous comment.

How do you define who belongs to what religion?Sunnis don't think Shias are muslim..while Shias don't think Sunnis are muslim....Neither of them think Ahmedis are muslim....Vegetarians think meat eaters aren't hindus...moreover if you keep up reservation based on religion more 'religious groups' will spring up as fractions of other groups...My personal opinion is religion should not be considered a demography at all...we dont ask people whether they 'believe' in the string theory during the polls....why should anyone asks what kind of god they believe in?

They way you define who belongs to what religion is quite simple actually. If your caste certificate/ nationality/ domicile/ birth certificate/ affadavit claims you are a certain religion, that defines what religion you belong to. If you believe you are a muslim, it doesn't matter what the a shia or sunni says. If you say you are a hindu , thats who you are, doesn't matter if you eat elephants or tigers. You declare your religion, you provide documentation to provide you caste if it applies and that is what the current dispensation is based on.

At-least in India, the government has no business interfering in you religion declaring you a believer or a non-believer.

 

[Anubis]

And thus reforms are needed.....
If the existing framework has not worked in last 67 years to mitigate the disadvantages of certain communities, it definitely needs a relook to focus on communities not just based on caste and religion but geographic location, local infrastructure, social indicators, state budget allocation, educational framework evaluation, and additional assistance program.

that is the premise of previous comment.


They way you define who belongs to what religion is quite simple actually. If your caste certificate/ nationality/ domicile/ birth certificate/ affadavit claims you are a certain religion, that defines what religion you belong to. If you believe you are a muslim, it doesn't matter what the a shia or sunni says. If you say you are a hindu , thats who you are, doesn't matter if you eat elephants or tigers. You declare your religion, you provide documentation to provide you caste if it applies and that is what the current dispensation is based on.

At-least in India, the government has no business interfering in you religion declaring you a believer or a non-believer.

There's a problem...once you start the reservation non-muslims in desperate need of a job(there'll be thousands of em) will change their name declare themselves as muslims and start another controversy of mass conversion...like bollywood stars who changed their names....religion should not be the basis of a demography...it should be biological differences not personal opinions....if personal opinions can get you a reserved post at a job...wouldn't it open the gates to reserve jobs for...say...people who believe in certain political doctrines!

 

[KingMamba]

Devyani Khobragade- Father is IAS, still used reservation to become a doctor first and then IFS officer.

People like Devyani are biggest reasons poor people from her caste are still backward even after 67 years of indepedance.

This was the point I was going to make yesterday. Reservations are supposed to be for upliftment so the next generation to come will no longer need it. Devyani should never have gotten the benefit of reservations.

 

[wolfschanzze]

wow,when you need jobs then no need for quran.
But after getting jobs and reservations you will shout "we dont need jobs and reservations,we want quran".
We know this game too well.
India doesn't owe anyone anything, compete with everyone in General Category as others do.No Reservations.Did they have any socially imposed disabilities on them?NO,then why not compete as the rest of us do!

 

[pursuit of happiness]

Reservation is a birth right of Muslims. 5% is nothing. We need 25% reservations.

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ok..
i take it as sarcastic remark,,,
as even netither sc or st who suffred for ages dont have 25%
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what is vurrent status of muslim wrt education , job, share in govt top job ? why it is so ?
on what basis muslim want reseration?
why reservation is needed ?
reservation will solve your problem ? how?
as quran is most imp book for muslim does it say muslim need reeveration ?
if reservation is given to shia , suni.ahmedai, bailavi how much how to decide?

This was the point I was going to make yesterday. Reservations are supposed to be for upliftment so the next generation to come will no longer need it. Devyani should never have gotten the benefit of reservations.

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true..
reservation is needed for those who missed opporunty ..
not for those who have everything and still need reservation ..
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every system have own +and -
it up to people to decide how to use it

SHUT UP REMEMBER GUJARAT?ONLY HINDUs BRAHMINS DESERVE RESERVATION !

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thanks for your g8 commet

 

[CMYX4BJ]

RSS should exterminate him and his brother.

 

[pursuit of happiness]

I got your point perfectly bro. I worked my *** off to get a medical seat because I am a maratha with zero reservation.

Please look at condition of Africa. Aid does not work. Period.

Make a person work and support him. Don't chew his food for him and put it in his mouth.

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true..
but reservation for SC-ST is diffrent which reason goes back to centuries of discrimination .. and that too criminal discrimation which will shame humanity..
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india got independance in 1947.. but those who left behind came on equal platform no..
still killings on relgion specilaiy dalit is happning..
still you get matrimonial full of xyz cast need xyz caste only.. even xyz caste guy is fk all.. but his USP is xyz caste .. so mary him than ABC caste guy who deserve eveything but loose becuase ABC caste..
same happen in poloitcs in voting..
tons of exaple..
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Reservation
as system never good.. as it discriminate between two individual who made by god
but society made undue sometime horriifc discrimination between men.. brhamin to shudrato dalit for which in 1950 only legitimate and legislative solution was reservation ..
it was for 10 yrs with option for extention to end it..but socierty failed to changeitself the way it should be so it reamind ..
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politican
dont blame politican eveytime .. they do what we want most of time.. or they will loose election..
they play caste politics becuase we vote on caste line..
now in 2014 trned seem bit changing for good and right prioritin than csate
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provelm with those who get servation
as devyabni exam is showed
i dont know whether she avialed that benefit in category..
people who used resevation and got in favourable postion (IAS father is good postion anyway)
dont need reservation for his child ..
that place can be filled by he/she in remote village who is toiling hard for iit/medicial/ias / board exam in kerosin bulb or light wihout proper book or teaching than thosekids who are in reservation list but enjoy all faciity from ac to expensive coahing ..
but many dont leave that seat for village guy
so facility of empowement of backward (socilaly -economiclay ) comes down on its knees for his obejctive .
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Solution
best is economic stand of resrvation
who ever say earning family incom Rs.X /annum will avail reservation
irrespecive of caste and relgion ..
its g8 but not practical as of now..
as not all pay income tax .. admin problem...how to identify..
corptuion in system,, getting flase income certifcate not big thing..
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till govt dont provide equitable educaiton , health facility to all of higest stnadtds .. til society dont discriintate on grond of regligon .. reservation will stay .. as necesary evil.. becuase we did not change or want to chnage

 

[mehul sharma]

No reservation for No body.Muslims community will get help but no reservations.Muslims should focus on education and control the number of children then problem will start to solve.Muslims girls can not reach to top universities if they continue to study in madarsas in place of proper school. Education is key

Well many Indian Muslims are poor so his statement makes sense.
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India have poor in Hindus and christian too and reservation is not an answer. Abdul Kalam is a Muslim and he was poor too but he became best scientist.There is better opportunities for Muslims in India but they will have to focus on education/ Only madarsa education can lent you a job in taliban not in IT Companies for that you will have to do proper schooling

This was the point I was going to make yesterday. Reservations are supposed to be for upliftment so the next generation to come will no longer need it. Devyani should never have gotten the benefit of reservations.

yeah the reservation should not be given by religion or caste It should be given by their financial situation.They should be helped financially only.They should be educated with minimal or no cost.

 

[protest]

Reservations for Muslims and Christians in India would only help in mass conversions as it would be a selling point to further proselyte.

 

[Razia Sultana]

I am really shocked and surprized at the understanding of Indians on the issue of reservation. People are refusing to understand that the reservations given by the indian constitution to the SC/ST is NOT for economic reasons. Poverty and economic backwardness is different from social ostracization and inhuman treatment of a set of people. People have agreed above that their families were involved in such inhuman treatment of dalits based on their caste but still they fail to understand that the reservation is a means to abolish the social problem and not the economic problem. Economic backwardness of SC/ST is just the byproduct of untouchable social system and similarly the reservations may result in economic upliftment of SC/ST but the main objective of the reservation system is to bring an equitable society and do away with the evil of casteism and untouchability.

People say here that Devyani should not have got the benefits of reservations. Why? She was 10 years old when her father was selected in IAS. Did he become an upper caste after being an IAS? Did being a daughter of IAS for 15 years made her caste vanish? Look at Bihar CM Jitan Ram Manjhi. 100s of IAS/IPS officers report to him but does he or his children have the same social status in the society as upper caste hindus? If so, why the temple he visited was cleaned and purified after he left? Reservation is given for THIS reason and NOT for poverty. Reservation is not a means to abolish poverty. Reservation is given for inclusion in society and government.

People say that reservation system has failed that means it has not worked as effectively as it should have worked but they dont come with a convincing alternative system that will work better than reservation. One suggestion is that the Dalits are 25% of India so they should be allotted 25% of resources like land, mine and water resources and they should be left at themselves with those resources to come up in life. But this will require acquisition of land from non dalits and they will never agree. So untill a better system for SC/ST is evolved the present system should continue.

As regards to reservation to other communities like muslims, women etc. its debatable as to what kind of discrimination they are suffering in our society and whether its universal discrimination. Like a dalit is socially discriminated whether he is a Chief Minister or a daily wage labourer. Just because muslims are poor, they should not get reservation because a poor can be a hindu, christian, muslim, brahmin or dalit. I again want to press the fact that reservations are not a means for economic upliftment but they have a unique special purpose.

 

[mujhaidind]

As regards to reservation to other communities like muslims, women etc. its debatable as to what kind of discrimination they are suffering in our society and whether its universal discrimination. Like a dalit is socially discriminated whether he is a Chief Minister or a daily wage labourer. Just because muslims are poor, they should not get reservation because a poor can be a hindu, christian, muslim, brahmin or dalit. I again want to press the fact that reservations are not a means for economic upliftment but they have a unique special purpose.

Sanghi come out of the closet already. Only reasons Muslims stayed back because Gandhi and Nheru had promised us special treatment.

 

[Razia Sultana]

Sanghi come out of the closet already. Only reasons Muslims stayed back because Gandhi and Nheru had promised us special treatment.

They were not promised special treatment. they were promised EQUAL treatment and our constitution gives equal and equitable treatment to all citizens without any discrimination. And why we should get special treatment, we have no handicap.