Muslims Want Reservation, Not Quran and Computers: Owaisi

[13 komaun]

That was the main drawback of Hindu rulers they were not united and were fighting themselves, instead they misjudged the Islamic invaders to be someone like them who fights on dharmic principles only to be proven wrong.Times have changed now, we are united.

Indeed times have changed

BTW some brainwashed members bitching about 3% minority (excluding Sikhs) in Indian Army but the fact is they simply can't compete with us that is fact based on my personal experience.

In my state majority of them are fat and lazy who can't run a mile that's why they want reservation.

They are 2% in U.P police although their population is 19%

 

[Hindustani78]

No Telugu people consider him as Thekedar of Hyderabad,We are the original inhabitants of Telangana.
The original name was BhagyaNagar,Named after Bhagya Lakshmi devi,The temple is till located near Charminar and Golconda fort.
The name was changed to Hyderabad by this Turkish Nizam.
These Pakistanis live in delusions,we rule the state not some Nizam.
The real thekedars of Telangana were the Kakatiya Dynasty,Pratapa Rudra built that fort Golaconda.

I think it was Quli Qutb Shah Dynasty

 

[wolfschanzze]

I think it was Quli Qutb Shah Dynasty

The Nizam came from turks.

Indeed times have changed

BTW some brainwashed members bitching about 3% minority (excluding Sikhs) in Indian Army but the fact is they simply can't compete with us that is fact based on my personal experience.

In my state majority of them are fat and lazy who can't run a mile that's why they want reservation.

They are 2% in U.P police although their population is 19%

The problem is we can give Reservation to 1 or 2 kids in a family, if that family has no concept of family planning and produces babies like a machine,why should the society bear the burden,The parents gave birth they should bear them first.
If, every family with 11 kids wants reservations in jobs ,where can we provide them with so many jobs?It's not like we have the landmass of Russia or Africa to keep producing jobs and resettle people there.There has to be some sense and planning in ones life.

Most of the people who ask for reservations,don't want to work hard, they want free rides just because they happen to be minority and we are somehow supposed to feel guilty about them and give them Reservations,perks and privileges,while sacrificing ourselves for them.Why can't they compete as we do.

 

[The_Showstopper]

no reservations should be given based on religion or caste,its crap.....reservation should be giving to one who need it.Give it the poor who cannt afford it.said part is some think its their birth right.

So when is it going to be applied? Recently BJP gave reservation to Maratha people who aren't even backward or marginalized by any means. I am one for reservation based on one's financial standing but when Govt has no qualms giving reservation to one community then why discriminate others...

 

[The_Showstopper]

I think it was Quli Qutb Shah Dynasty

There was no place called Bhagyanagar nor was their a place called Hyderabad before Quli Qutub Shah, It was Quli Qutub Shah who has built this city...

Source:
History | ICSE 2014
Founder of Hyderabad was first Deccani poet: Syed Taqi Abedi - The Times of India
For Hyderabadis, Bhagmati is vital part of history - The Times of India
Hyderabad History : Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India

And speaking of the temple, well it was never present prior to 1970s...

A photograph of the Charminar taken in 1957 showing no structure adjacent to the walls. The Hindu Archives

The photograph of Charminar, a protected monument in Hyderabad (right) taken on Friday last, shows the abutting Bhagyalakshmi temple which has become a subject of controversy. An old photo, at left, taken over 60 years ago and accessed by The Hindu, has no such temple.


Source:
As protests roil Charminar, Hyderabad’s heritage slowly vanishes - The Hindu
A note on the Charminar photograph - The Hindu

 

[Bang Galore]

How many times should I say that the issue of dalit is not an economic issue but a social issue. Why an office room occupied by an out going dalit officer is washed with ganga water and yagna-havan is done before an upper caste officer occupies his chamber? Why Sampoornanand Sanskrit University was purified after the visit of Jagjivan Ram? Why a temple was purified after a dalit CM visited it? Do you not see what the problem is? All this treatment was given to big people like Union Minister, Chief Minister and gazetted officers, not to poor people. Gentleman, this problem is not economic. You need to unlearn a lot of things to be able to understand this basic thing.

Well said.

 

[protest]

I am really shocked and surprized at the understanding of Indians on the issue of reservation. People are refusing to understand that the reservations given by the indian constitution to the SC/ST is NOT for economic reasons. Poverty and economic backwardness is different from social ostracization and inhuman treatment of a set of people. People have agreed above that their families were involved in such inhuman treatment of dalits based on their caste but still they fail to understand that the reservation is a means to abolish the social problem and not the economic problem. Economic backwardness of SC/ST is just the byproduct of untouchable social system and similarly the reservations may result in economic upliftment of SC/ST but the main objective of the reservation system is to bring an equitable society and do away with the evil of casteism and untouchability.

People say here that Devyani should not have got the benefits of reservations. Why? She was 10 years old when her father was selected in IAS. Did he become an upper caste after being an IAS? Did being a daughter of IAS for 15 years made her caste vanish? Look at Bihar CM Jitan Ram Manjhi. 100s of IAS/IPS officers report to him but does he or his children have the same social status in the society as upper caste hindus? If so, why the temple he visited was cleaned and purified after he left? Reservation is given for THIS reason and NOT for poverty. Reservation is not a means to abolish poverty. Reservation is given for inclusion in society and government.

People say that reservation system has failed that means it has not worked as effectively as it should have worked but they dont come with a convincing alternative system that will work better than reservation. One suggestion is that the Dalits are 25% of India so they should be allotted 25% of resources like land, mine and water resources and they should be left at themselves with those resources to come up in life. But this will require acquisition of land from non dalits and they will never agree. So untill a better system for SC/ST is evolved the present system should continue.

As regards to reservation to other communities like muslims, women etc. its debatable as to what kind of discrimination they are suffering in our society and whether its universal discrimination. Like a dalit is socially discriminated whether he is a Chief Minister or a daily wage labourer. Just because muslims are poor, they should not get reservation because a poor can be a hindu, christian, muslim, brahmin or dalit. I again want to press the fact that reservations are not a means for economic upliftment but they have a unique special purpose.

But how is this social uplifting be achieved? Clearly reservation is not the answer otherwise we won't be discussing it here. And your other solution in Bold is absurd. You want a perfect socialist society and that can never happen.

In US, blacks were marginalized till very recently. They were slaves in proper term. But there is no affirmative action like our reservation here and they are doing quite okay there. Their affirmative action is to treat everyone equally and not discriminate. Hence no resentment from any section. Slowly but surely their fault lines like racism are fading.

We in India, we are stuck in this cycle. We cannot do away with reservations because of popular vote. We much rather increase than cut down free dolls given to our poor and marginalized. How is that an affirmative action? We should do away with reservation and encourage people and institutes to embrace diversity ( in our own sense). That's the only solution.

 

[utraash]

Lol. I simply stated muslims left there (many/some of them) would raise arms against India themselves and fight for Pakistan. I am from Lucknow so I know such muslims. These are an asset to Pakistani. I never mocked Indian muslims for being what they want themselves called.



Its no wonder Akbaruddin Owaisi made that statement. He must have gotten tired of all the lectures and bullying of you and your typical Indian stooges.



I will not respond to your spewed rubbish against muslims. Except the Timurids no muslim ruler brutalized hindus. This is a cannard used by you Hindutvadis to spit venom on Islam and muslims. We will get our independence. Lucknow is ours and always was ours. Even Hyderabad and Delhi. If you are so interested visit Chowk in Lucknow near the maternity hospital and opposite the chirya ghar. That is my area.

You were a moment ago shouting about (non-existant?) Muslim oppression of Hindus. Make up your mind. Who is oppressing who. I believe Abdul Hameed was someone you just invented just to show how Muslims were a part of the army when less than 3% of your army is muslim.



Go peddle your rubbish elsewhere. Lucknowis never bow down to anyone. Research the Rohillas, Delhi sultanate Lodhis durranis and many others. We own this land and it is no one but ours. Down with people like you and your India.

Thnx for not able to digest the hard facts however you can gloat as usual...

 

[Razia Sultana]

But how is this social uplifting be achieved? Clearly reservation is not the answer otherwise we won't be discussing it here. And your other solution in Bold is absurd. You want a perfect socialist society and that can never happen.

In US, blacks were marginalized till very recently. They were slaves in proper term. But there is no affirmative action like our reservation here and they are doing quite okay there. Their affirmative action is to treat everyone equally and not discriminate. Hence no resentment from any section. Slowly but surely their fault lines like racism are fading.

We in India, we are stuck in this cycle. We cannot do away with reservations because of popular vote. We much rather increase than cut down free dolls given to our poor and marginalized. How is that an affirmative action? We should do away with reservation and encourage people and institutes to embrace diversity ( in our own sense). That's the only solution.

A perfect society is still a utopia but its not something utopian to expect an egalitarian society. A society where all humans are considered humans. We still come across reports where dalits are treated as sub humans. A society where cows and rats are worshipped but humans are untouchable. Slavery was far more humane than the kind of inhuman treatment meted out to the Shudras in India and it went on for generations. It also hurts me that when india came under muslim rule, the rulers did nothing to abolish this evil.

Reservation may not be the best solution but untill a better alternative is found its the best available solution. I can't say that educating people will help as it was/is practiced by those who are supposed to be the most learned i.e. Brahmins. It requires multiple inteventions to remove this evil and most important being empowerment of these people. Empowerment will come from their participation in governance and administration and reservation is doing exactly the same.

 

[dray]

Poor Muslims should get reservations. Blanket dismissal of such demands is pointless.

That should be how it is done. Giving reservation to Marathas but not giving to Muslims cannot be justified on any logical grounds

'Poor Indians irrespective of their religion should get reservation', that is logical, but reservations or any other special priviledges should not be given based on religion, apart from destroying our secular constitution, it will create one practical problem of conversion for jobs.