Muslims Want Reservation, Not Quran and Computers: Owaisi

[utraash]

I come from a village in UP and I have seen and felt the horrid conditions of Dalits. They are still looked down upon. From my childhood i have seen only one change that they are no longer treated as untouchables and they dont die of hunger but they are still outcaste. Look at jitan Manjhi, the CM of Bihar, who visited a temple and later it was cleaned with ganga water. Since he is CM it became a news but even when an upper caste hindu Police Inspector of a Thana, takes charge from a dalit incumbent, he also does the same to his office by cleaning with holy water and performing some pooja. Can you sense the underlying discrimination and hatred? If a Dalit CM is treated like that what will be happening to others? His children may not need reservation from economic point of view but from social perspective they definitely need constitutional intervention.
I personally support all constitutional privileges to the people of dalit community and tribals and they dont belong to my religion. For the rest its debatable.




I myself have seen that social oppression of low caste ppl in my own village where low caste ppl were not allowed to enter the house of my ancestors, queued at last in every function or event n condemned it harshly at every platform(within or out of my house).... I don't even spare my relatives who indulge in such discrimination......n such ills don't evaporate over a night, things are changing rapidly in urban areas n its matter of time in next generation where you would see least of such social discrimination...... Having said that I m firmly stand for no caste, religion based reservations instead a poor is a simply poor be it Muslim or Hindu upper or lower caste ....
Constitutional privileges were meant for certain period of time to bring the parity among low cast however now instead of reservations actual purpose it is being twisted to for vote bank politics, misused in so many cases n it itself a discriminatory towards eligible ppl based on their meritocracy.......

 

[topgun047]

your attitude reinforces my belief.

What ran out of arguments in favor of giving reservations to crorepatis ?
How surprising.

Nobody cares about your beliefs.

The belief that a person is entitled to freebies his whole life, generation after generation even if he or she is a millionaire with an army of servants.
The belief that without reservation Devyani Khobragade would have had no self respect and felt she were treated like an animal.

The reason India is so backward is not lack of talent but lack of meritocracy.
The reason India is so backwards is people like you with your illogical beliefs.

 

[Prajapati]

That should be how it is done. Giving reservation to Marathas but not giving to Muslims cannot be justified on any logical grounds

1. Half of India was "Reserved" for Muslims as per their demand and Pakistan and Bangladesh was formed. Is that Reservation not enough ?

2. Reservation was for those classes who were "oppressed" for a very long time, since Muslims were the "ruling" class, its illogical to provide reservation for them. By that same logic, why no provide Reservation to Brahmins too ?

3. Muslims already get "reservation" in jobs in the Middle east, do Maratha's get first consideration for jobs in Muslim nations ?

4. Anybody can convert to Islam, become a Muslim and then demand Reservation. Same is not true for caste.

Plenty of Logical grounds in my opinion.

 

[Razia Sultana]

What ran out of arguments in favor of giving reservations to crorepatis ?
How surprising

Nobody cares about your beliefs.

The belief that a person is entitled to freebies his whole life, generation after generation even if he or she is a millionaire with an army of servants.

The reason India is so backward is not lack of talent but lack of meritocracy.
The reason India is so backwards is people like you with your illogical beliefs.

If a crorepati is insulted, humiliated and discriminated in a society because of his caste, I would support a caste based reservation to do away with this evil system.

 

[Prajapati]

If a crorepati is insulted, humiliated and discriminated in a society because of his caste, I would support a caste based reservation to do away with this evil system.

Since UGLY people are also insulted, humiliated and discriminated in society, how about reservation for Ugly people ?

 

[topgun047]

If a crorepati is insulted, humiliated and discriminated in a society because of his caste, I would support a caste based reservation to do away with this evil system.

Reservation wont stop insults and humiliation and discrimination.
Jail time to perpetrators will.

According to your logic, reservation in medical colleges to rape victims will stop rapes.

 

[Srinivas]

I come from a village in UP and I have seen and felt the horrid conditions of Dalits. They are still looked down upon. From my childhood i have seen only one change that they are no longer treated as untouchables and they dont die of hunger but they are still outcaste. Look at jitan Manjhi, the CM of Bihar, who visited a temple and later it was cleaned with ganga water. Since he is CM it became a news but even when an upper caste hindu Police Inspector of a Thana, takes charge from a dalit incumbent, he also does the same to his office by cleaning with holy water and performing some pooja. Can you sense the underlying discrimination and hatred? If a Dalit CM is treated like that what will be happening to others? His children may not need reservation from economic point of view but from social perspective they definitely need constitutional intervention.
I personally support all constitutional privileges to the people of dalit community and tribals and they dont belong to my religion. For the rest its debatable.


You must know the basis of reservation given to dalits. Its purely social basis not economical. Their economic backwardness is only a by product of their social exploitation. Reservation is given to them to instil self-respect in them and make them feel like humans and be part of the mainstream society. After 67 years of freedom, there are still incidences of their ihuman treatment by the so-called civilized people and they are still not into mainstream.
Majority of India is rural and atrocities are more in rural areas but not limited to villages only. I just gave an example of Bihar CM jitan Manjhi and find out if being rich or being powerful has changed his status.


Dalits account for about 25% of Indian population but they do not even have 2.5% resources of the nation. Illiteracy, malnutrition, infant mortality, poverty, exploitation are highest in this community. If one thing that really makes me ashamed of my country is the condition of dalits. Muslims are poor too and they also are discriminated but not like them. If any reform is needed of this 67 year old framework that is to expedite the process of their upliftment.

Perfect !!

 

[Razia Sultana]

@utraash
You agree that the people were discriminaed and ill treated by your own family because of their caste and not because of their illiteracy or poverty, so why oppose the caste based reservation? The diagnosis has to consider the cause and effect. You can not ignore the root cause of a disease and treat superficially. Trust me, Ambedkar did a big favour by agreeing to poona pact else India could have been partitioned in 3 nations. Lets not forget the history. 2000 years of slavery and suppression wont go away in 200 years of reservation and its just 67 years.

 

[utraash]

If a crorepati is insulted, humiliated and discriminated in a society because of his caste, I would support a caste based reservation to do away with this evil system.

This is absurd logic ......
Social ills can only be eliminated thru education n awareness not by reservations.....

Reservations was brought to improve their economical conditions....

None is against the reservations instead everyone wants it be more pertinent in today's time.....

@utraash
You agree that the people were discriminaed and ill treated by your own family because of their caste and not because of their illiteracy or poverty, so why oppose the caste based reservation? The diagnosis has to consider the cause and effect. You can not ignore the root cause of a disease and treat superficially. Trust me, Ambedkar did a big favour by agreeing to poona pact else India could have been partitioned in 3 nations. Lets not forget the history. 2000 years of slavery and suppression wont go away in 200 years of reservation and its just 67 years.

Mam in simplified terms
Problem is something n we are hitting at something.... Kahi p nigaahe or kahi p nishana....
We must hit to root cause of the problem.... The roots lies in the belief of ppl (upper caste n lower caste both) n until we don't educate or make aware of false beliefs, problem is not going to die down..... Nor things would change for supressed one under the umbrella of reservations..... I don't think so ......
You seems to be mixing two different dimension of the issue one terming it as a root cause which is not the case either...
It can only be changed thru education n awareness.......

 

[zip]

Reservation should help poor people irrespective of religion or caste ..State should not recognise its subject on religious ground ..

 

[Anubis]

There is a need to reform the reservations. There is no need to remove all caste and religion right away but the reservation framework of 67 years definitely needs a relook and transition into an economy based reservation with parallel economic assistance programs for bpl demographics.

One of major places where India needs to look at is reservation in government sectors jobs. Reservations in government jobs, especially in technology based PSU sectors and central/state administration has led to is degradation of meritocracy and sub standard human resource pool.

Another are is reform in public and private education, upto secondary education, entire schools across the private and public foray needs to be completely subsidized by the government. Higher education needs complete eradication of any reservation.

How do you define who belongs to what religion?Sunnis don't think Shias are muslim..while Shias don't think Sunnis are muslim....Neither of them think Ahmedis are muslim....Vegetarians think meat eaters aren't hindus...moreover if you keep up reservation based on religion more 'religious groups' will spring up as fractions of other groups...My personal opinion is religion should not be considered a demography at all...we dont ask people whether they 'believe' in the string theory during the polls....why should anyone asks what kind of god they believe in?

 

[K-Xeroid]

I like Asaduddin owaisi , Unlike Jamat and other JUI hind , He exactly demand what are the needs of indian muslims. even Pakistan lack such leader those speaks for the needs of civilians.

 

[Srinivas]

The reservations in India are based on the notion that the lower castes are discriminated and oppressed for centuries and they need social uplift.

People of other religions get equal status , reservation law is not applicable in this case.

 

[Sugarcane]

Indian govt. should accept demand to avoid repetition of history.

 

[lavenge lavenge]

Well many Indian Muslims are poor so his statement makes sense.

Muslims in India get reservation under OBC. The demand is not for reservation, but for reservation under SC category or standalong Muslim reservation; Since muslims are not even capable to compete with middle castes of Hindus (OBC's).