Muslims Want Reservation, Not Quran and Computers: Owaisi

[Razia Sultana]

Don't worry it was not my parents.... I would have even criticised my own parents if had they indulged in such inhumane practices....

Constitutional privileges was meant for over a certain period of time not forever .....
Post India did a good job in bringing the parity for backward ppl ...
First thru educating common masses about the social cruelty in the form of casteism which is why many of todays generation like u n me out rightly rejecting the caste based discrimination..... Now wonder if that has not been done ?

The oppressed ppl also happened to be one of most poorest in the modern India so forefathers were duty bound to bring the economical parity by allowing reservations to those ppl in free India...... Did this help to uplift the backward class ? This is equally debatable as no scientific analysis done in this regard to check the effectiveness of reservations....
Is it appropriate that a rich person from backward class reap the fruit of reservations while countless poor get denied the fundamental constitutional right of providing equality ......?

I wish to amend the current form of reservations n need to be more specific towards economic backwardness of ppl irrespective of their religion caste n etc than just caste specific.....

How many times should I say that the issue of dalit is not an economic issue but a social issue. Why an office room occupied by an out going dalit officer is washed with ganga water and yagna-havan is done before an upper caste officer occupies his chamber? Why Sampoornanand Sanskrit University was purified after the visit of Jagjivan Ram? Why a temple was purified after a dalit CM visited it? Do you not see what the problem is? All this treatment was given to big people like Union Minister, Chief Minister and gazetted officers, not to poor people. Gentleman, this problem is not economic. You need to unlearn a lot of things to be able to understand this basic thing.

Secondly, there is no time limit for reservations in the constitution. It only talks of reviewing this policy. Also, there should not be any issue if there is an elite class created in dalit community. Each community has an elite class, so why there should be a problem with elite among dalits? I repeat being a Union Cabinet Minister, Chief Minister or Millionnaire does not unmake them a dalit and the stigma remains. But its fading and soon it will vanish like polio virus vanished from India.We need to ensure that immunization process does not stop unless the evil virus is eliminated forever.

 

[Darmashkian]

I am really shocked and surprized at the understanding of Indians on the issue of reservation. People are refusing to understand that the reservations given by the indian constitution to the SC/ST is NOT for economic reasons. Poverty and economic backwardness is different from social ostracization and inhuman treatment of a set of people. People have agreed above that their families were involved in such inhuman treatment of dalits based on their caste but still they fail to understand that the reservation is a means to abolish the social problem and not the economic problem. Economic backwardness of SC/ST is just the byproduct of untouchable social system and similarly the reservations may result in economic upliftment of SC/ST but the main objective of the reservation system is to bring an equitable society and do away with the evil of casteism and untouchability.

People say here that Devyani should not have got the benefits of reservations. Why? She was 10 years old when her father was selected in IAS. Did he become an upper caste after being an IAS? Did being a daughter of IAS for 15 years made her caste vanish? Look at Bihar CM Jitan Ram Manjhi. 100s of IAS/IPS officers report to him but does he or his children have the same social status in the society as upper caste hindus? If so, why the temple he visited was cleaned and purified after he left? Reservation is given for THIS reason and NOT for poverty. Reservation is not a means to abolish poverty. Reservation is given for inclusion in society and government.

People say that reservation system has failed that means it has not worked as effectively as it should have worked but they dont come with a convincing alternative system that will work better than reservation. One suggestion is that the Dalits are 25% of India so they should be allotted 25% of resources like land, mine and water resources and they should be left at themselves with those resources to come up in life. But this will require acquisition of land from non dalits and they will never agree. So untill a better system for SC/ST is evolved the present system should continue.

As regards to reservation to other communities like muslims, women etc. its debatable as to what kind of discrimination they are suffering in our society and whether its universal discrimination. Like a dalit is socially discriminated whether he is a Chief Minister or a daily wage labourer. Just because muslims are poor, they should not get reservation because a poor can be a hindu, christian, muslim, brahmin or dalit. I again want to press the fact that reservations are not a means for economic upliftment but they have a unique special purpose.

Reservation has been given to SCs & STs for their SOCIAL & Economic upliftment. Primarily social.

Nice to see someone else who has finally realised this

But honestly speaking efforts reservation can't be the only way to help dalits & remove casteism & anti-dalit sentiments among the population of India. We need to make more efforts to get rid of casteim.

P.S.:- The %age of SCs in India is 17%, not 25% ... SC+ST=25%

 

[wolfschanzze]

Muslims left there should demand seperate electorates like Quaid E Azam demanded in his later life. Jinnah however was reluctant over separate electorates for muslim majority provinces in his early life.

Perhaps we should improvise a system that is specially fit for us (Muslims)... I have divised such a system. The PM of an Islamic secular state should be called sultan or caliph and the ministers Wazirs and the advisers Munshis. Muslims specially free ones need a unique system tailored towards them.

However I would recommend until the nation of India is active the muslims should follow its laws no matter what they are except when they go completely against religion. Personally I believe the Hindus should provide the muslims some space and respect by giving them their own set of laws by which they are governed. But if you don't get that don't fight, respect the constitution because fighting gives us a bad image.

Some people in my family even died there. Still we can't blame all Hindus.

You can expect NADA from India,
They have to follow the same rules or STFU!
First, take care of your home it's burning!

 

[haviZsultan]

You can expect NADA from India,
They have to follow the same rules of STFU!
First, take care of your home it's burning!

So you want the muslims as slaves rather than as an assertive minority who demands its rights aggressively. Well good luck with that. Muslims never surrender, look at Kashmir. You have been trying to suppress the demands of the people but have been failing continuously. Eventually the mess you are creating may boil over.

 

[wolfschanzze]

So you want the muslims as slaves rather than as an assertive minority who demands its rights aggressively. Well good luck with that. Muslims never surrender, look at Kashmir. You have been trying to suppress the demands of the people but have been failing continuously. Eventually the mess you are creating may boil over.

What slaves, they are given equal rights and freedom as everyone to choose and prosper as they wish,why are they asking for handouts?Compete as everyone of us are doing it.
You Pakistanis are counting on a 1971 mess Scenario you made with East Pakistan, that helped India liberate East Pakistan.
That sort of thing is not going to happen in India and your wish that Indian muslims become mukti Bahni and Pakistan playing the role of India supporting it won't materialize ever.Keep dreaming that you will be able to break India up,that will eventually lead to your disintegration first."Whoever digs a pit will fall into it; if someone rolls a stone, it will roll back on them" --Proverbs 26:27
The moment we see any interference from Pakistan, we will turn it into a Radioactive wasteland along with any country that tries to interfere.
So keep you Ummah rhetoric to yourselves, not even your fellow Islamic nations follow that idea of late.

 

[Razia Sultana]

Reservation has been given to SCs & STs for their SOCIAL & Economic upliftment. Primarily social.

Nice to see someone else who has finally realised this

But honestly speaking efforts reservation can't be the only way to help dalits & remove casteism & anti-dalit sentiments among the population of India. We need to make more efforts to get rid of casteim.

P.S.:- The %age of SCs in India is 17%, not 25% ... SC+ST=25%

I became more sensitive about the SC/ST issues when I went to college. None of them were able to defend the reservations given to them and they either accepted what the other students said or shied away from discussing the topic. They were made to feel humiliated at every step by comments of their fellow students and teachers like - its free for you, 40% marks is like 80% to you, if i had reservations i would make into IAS etc. etc. apart from nasty casteist remarks. They were made to feel that they were being given favours and privileges in the form of reservations and they stood like zombies. Other than Ambedkar, perhaps no one from their community is able to defend them. Its always been some non dalit who defends them. That itself suggests that more efforts are needed to bring them up.

PS: When I said 25% that included SC/ST both.

 

[karakoram]

Indian govt. should accept demand to avoid repetition of history.

history will repeat itself and asad ud din owaisi is a strong guy

 

[haviZsultan]

What slaves, they are given equal rights and freedom as everyone to choose and prosper as they wish,why are they asking for handouts?Compete as everyone of us are doing it.
You Pakistanis are counting on a 1971 mess Scenario you made with East Pakistan, that helped India liberate East Pakistan.
That sort of thing is not going to happen in India and your wish that Indian muslims become mukti Bahni and Pakistan playing the role of India supporting it won't materialize ever.Keep dreaming that you will be able to break India up,that will eventually lead to your disintegration first."Whoever digs a pit will fall into it; if someone rolls a stone, it will roll back on them" --Proverbs 26:27
The moment we see any interference from Pakistan, we will turn it into a Radioactive wasteland along with any country that tries to interfere.
So keep you Ummah rhetoric to yourselves, not even your fellow Islamic nations follow that idea of late.

Tread lightly. No one knows the future. Muslims of many parts are already angry and completely frustrated with India as a state. Look at Kashmir. Look at Lucknow and look at Hyderabad. I am from Lucknow and believe me I will never give up our right for self governance and a Pakistani merger. You can shout all you want but one day when the time comes for muslims to choose between India and Pakistan they will choose Pakistan, particularly those who have suffered because of your fake state named India.

Also there is nothing as an Indian muslim. A muslim automatically believes in the ummah. The muslims (some of them) you see today are only a temporary problem. When the Mehdi (which can't be far) comes they know where their loyalty will lie. We suffered severely because the british decided to unite a people which were once 20-30 different nationalities into one nation that was India. In Hyderabad you launched an operation named polo to reduce the muslim population from 60% to 40%. In Kashmir you launched another operation.

India is a nation standing on the bloodied bodies of Kashmiris and other muslims.

 

[wolfschanzze]

Tread lightly. No one knows the future. Muslims of many parts are already angry and completely frustrated with India as a state. Look at Kashmir. Look at Lucknow and look at Hyderabad. I am from Lucknow and believe me I will never give up our right for self governance and a Pakistani merger. You can shout all you want but one day when the time comes for muslims to choose between India and Pakistan they will choose Pakistan, particularly those who have suffered because of your fake state named India.

Also there is nothing as an Indian muslim. A muslim automatically believes in the ummah. The muslims (some of them) you see today are only a temporary problem. When the Mehdi (which can't be far) comes they know where their loyalty will lie. We suffered severely because the british decided to unite a people which were once 20-30 different nationalities into one nation that was India. In Hyderabad you launched an operation named polo to reduce the muslim population from 60% to 40%. In Kashmir you launched another operation.

India is a nation standing on the bloodied bodies of Kashmiris and other muslims.

Forget Kashmir, see what changes will happen in next 5 years.
I am from Hyderabad, i know the situation perfectly well,a Pakistani sitting in Pakistan is lecturing us about how to tread without even knowing the ground reality here.
You WERE from Lucknow.Your Grandparents were,Now they are no more, You are a Pakistani now,Nothing more.
Tell that to your Ummah,When Israel bombs the crap out of Palestine, your so called Ummah (arab nations)keeps quiet.
The same Pakistanis raped and killed Bangladeshi muslims calling them Black,Bengali,fish eater etc. So much love for Ummah that you tried to Annihilate them.
Here is your love for Ummah and what you think of them.

I will believe in your Mehdi and prophecies when i see one.Keep your fairytales to yourself.
Like i said before, the moment we see any interference we will turn that nation into a Nuclear Wasteland,Are you willing to risk your life for it?
Btw,When is your Mehdi coming? any exact date asking out of curiosity,

 

[Razia Sultana]

Tread lightly. No one knows the future. Muslims of many parts are already angry and completely frustrated with India as a state. Look at Kashmir. Look at Lucknow and look at Hyderabad. I am from Lucknow and believe me I will never give up our right for self governance and a Pakistani merger. You can shout all you want but one day when the time comes for muslims to choose between India and Pakistan they will choose Pakistan, particularly those who have suffered because of your fake state named India.

Also there is nothing as an Indian muslim. A muslim automatically believes in the ummah. The muslims (some of them) you see today are only a temporary problem. When the Mehdi (which can't be far) comes they know where their loyalty will lie. We suffered severely because the british decided to unite a people which were once 20-30 different nationalities into one nation that was India. In Hyderabad you launched an operation named polo to reduce the muslim population from 60% to 40%. In Kashmir you launched another operation.

India is a nation standing on the bloodied bodies of Kashmiris and other muslims.

Bhaijaan, you have left India for good and please let us live here peacefully. The Ummah is applicable to Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan also. So lets not talk about that. Before you comment on Hyderabad and kashmir, see what you have done to yourself in Pakistan. If you get an opportunity then please visit Lucknow and Hyderabad and you will change your opinion about muslims in India.

 

[Screambowl]

So you want the muslims as slaves rather than as an assertive minority who demands its rights aggressively. Well good luck with that. Muslims never surrender, look at Kashmir. You have been trying to suppress the demands of the people but have been failing continuously. Eventually the mess you are creating may boil over.

Reservation is not a right first of all, it is a tool to execute right to equality. The rights are
1) right to Freedom of speech
2) right to Freedom of education
3) right to Freedom to practice their religion
4) right to information
5) right to constitutional remedies
6) cultural and educational rights
7) right against exploitation
8) right to equality

right to equality is been given to all muslims... and it is based on data. There are many muslims who are enjoying good financial condition, very good education, entrance to public sector.

There are also many Hindus of upper caste who are in bad financial condition, what about their right?
Kashmiri pandit's rights? What about that ..

Financial condition is not a criteria to give reservation.. it is purely on the base of castism and exploitation of lower caste Hindus by Mughals and Upper class Hindus and britishers.

If Muslims do not want to develop, then that is not the fault of constitution. They may find some other country where reservation is legal for them. But tough because Muslims are the second highest majority in numbers in world.

 

[haviZsultan]

Forget Kashmir, see what changes will happen in next 5 years.
I am from Hyderabad, i know the situation perfectly well,a Pakistani sitting in Pakistan is lecturing us about how to tread without even knowing the ground reality here.
You WERE from Lucknow.Your Grandparents were,Now they are no more, You are a Pakistani now,Nothing more.
Tell that to your Ummah,When Israel bombs the crap out of Palestine, your so called Ummah keeps quiet.
I will believe in your Mehdi and prophecies when i see one.Keep your fairytales to yourself.
Like i said before, the moment we see any interference we will turn that nation into a Nuclear Wasteland,Are you willing to risk your life for it?
Btw,When is your Mehdi coming? any exact date asking out of curiosity,

No, I am from Lucknow which was stolen from us. Both my parents were born in Lucknow. My mothers side is ansari from barabanki born in Lucknow. Barabanki is their ancestral hometown. I won't share fathers hometown with a fanatic like you.

My grandfather from my mothers side married each and every daughter to those who went to Pakistan and was a supporter of said country till his death. There would be fights over cricket matches between muslims and hindus over support for Pakistan.

I did not leave Lucknow. It was temporary move out of the place so that later when Pakistan and Lucknow are one I can return. Right now I can't because of Hindutva trolls like yourself.

The state of the muslim as a people is in collapse BUT that does not mean they will not rise again. Till then enjoy this video from your native Hyderabad:

Bhaijaan, you have left India for good and please let us live here peacefully. The Ummah is applicable to Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan also. So lets not talk about that. Before you comment on Hyderabad and kashmir, see what you have done to yourself in Pakistan. If you get an opportunity then please visit Lucknow and Hyderabad and you will change your opinion about muslims in India.

You are pitching in to defend a known Hindutva troll. I have no negative opinion of muslims left there which I should change. Some of them living there for 60+ years will obviously become loyal to the hindutvadi regime. I was stating muslims shouldn't rebel like some did when your hindutva friend came along.

Also I was in Lucknow for 2 years approximately and also there is the time I was there during the Samjhauta express incident which was blamed on Pakistan but was in the end a work by sadhvi pragya and purohit, so thats how the media operates. Rest of my time has been spent in the gulf and Canada while some years in Pakistan. I have met Lucknowites. Some don't favor independence but a sizeable number do support Pakistan. You can ask your grand father if he voted for the muslim league in 45/46 elections and he will tell you he did.

Here is a statistic. 90%+ of UP muslims and 75%+ of all muslims voted for an independent Pakistan. Still there remains in many families left there support for Pakistan. This is a reality you are unwilling to admit.

Look at it this way. Where are you going to go when Hindutva's attack you. Indonesia, Pakistan? Because now thats where we went when the hindutva's struck. The new generation of muslims in India are ignoring a reality that might eat them alive.

My advise to you is, don't burn all your bridges. Pakistan was made for oppressed muslims of the subcontinent AND before you say anything else Look at 1992 mumbai and 2002 Gujarat riots. Do you know some of the victims went to Pakistan? Don't burn all your bridges. You might be reliant on Pakistan for help one day.

Also no one migrates from his native hometown unless there is extreme oppression. Remember that. You might be forced out of your village too.

 

[wolfschanzze]

No, I am from Lucknow which was stolen from us. Both my parents were born in Lucknow. My mothers side is ansari from barabanki born in Lucknow. Barabanki is their ancestral hometown. I won't share fathers hometown with a fanatic like you.

My grandfather from my mothers side married each and every daughter to those who went to Pakistan and was a supporter of said country till his death. There would be fights over cricket matches between muslims and hindus over support for Pakistan.

I did not leave Lucknow. It was temporary move out of the place so that later when Pakistan and Lucknow are one I can return. Right now I can't because of Hindutva trolls like yourself.

The state of the muslim as a people is in collapse BUT that does not mean they will not rise again. Till then enjoy this video from your native Hyderabad:

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Stolen?You agreed to the terms and Conditions and Partition happened,You can't cry now.Asking for remerger or partition again,well only fools would dream such things,dreams are free, you can dream as you like.

Whether you won't share your fathers hometown or not,It is a reality you are sitting in Pakistan as a different nation.India is a Separate Nation.Period.

How old are you? btw, citing partition and moving out means, you are pretty much in 50's Not much time left for you to realize your dream.Suppose Lucknow and Pakistan were united,do you think landlocked Lucknow surrounded by India would last long?Just like you lost East Pakistan,same thing would happen.
Keep dreaming,about Hyderabad etc. No harm in dreaming.

 

[Soumitra]

You can shout all you want but one day when the time comes for muslims to choose between India and Pakistan they will choose Pakistan, particularly those who have suffered because of your fake state named

The Muslims had their chance in 1947. Those who wanted Pakistan went there. The others were loyal to India and stayed. This was two generations ago.

Even now if anyone is interested to go to Pakistan they are free to go. But still 18million Muslims live in India and not choose Pakistan

 

[itachiii]

history will repeat itself and asad ud din owaisi is a strong guy

he is from my own city and i am yet to see him out of there shitty muslim dominated old city area.. so don't expect too much from him.. wat history r u referring to ? is it 1971 by any chance ??