Muslims Want Reservation, Not Quran and Computers: Owaisi

[mujhaidind]

They were not promised special treatment. they were promised EQUAL treatment and our constitution gives equal and equitable treatment to all citizens without any discrimination.

No! Maulana Azad was promised a seperate Muslim personal law and other things.

 

[Razia Sultana]

No! Maulana Azad was promised a seperate Muslim personal law and other things.

I dont know about the promise but we do have separate personal law for muslims and a body to govern i.e. All India Muslim Personal Law Board.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

No! Maulana Azad was promised a seperate Muslim personal law and other things.

Where did you get this beautiful avatar of yours from?

 

[mujhaidind]

Where did you get this beautiful avatar of yours from?

From your biological great grea great great great great great..... grandfather Mahmmud of Ghazni

 

[SarthakGanguly]

From your biological great grea great great great great great..... grandfather Mahmmud of Ghazni

@syedali73 loves your post.

 

[utraash]

I am really shocked and surprized at the understanding of Indians on the issue of reservation. People are refusing to understand that the reservations given by the indian constitution to the SC/ST is NOT for economic reasons. Poverty and economic backwardness is different from social ostracization and inhuman treatment of a set of people.

People have agreed above that their families were involved in such inhuman treatment of dalits based on their caste but still they fail to understand that the reservation is a means to abolish the social problem and not the economic problem.

Economic backwardness of SC/ST is just the byproduct of untouchable social system and similarly the reservations may result in economic upliftment of SC/ST but the main objective of the reservation system is to bring an equitable society and do away with the evil of casteism and untouchability

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That segregated part in your above comment was seemed to be aimed at my honest n candid observation in a response to your posts few pages back ....
What's was the purpose of reservations? Social or financial upliftment ?
I wish you to be honest with one line answer on my question.....

Dowry is also social ills, can it be dealt with reservations for women....?

 

[Razia Sultana]

That segregated part in your above comment was seemed to be aimed at my honest n candid observation in a response to your posts few pages back ....
What's was the purpose of reservations? Social or financial upliftment ?
I wish you to be honest with one line answer on my question.....

Dowry is also social ills, can it be dealt with reservations for women....?

Trust me I have nothing against your parents, they were only acting as per social norms of their era, good or bad.
I mentioned earlier that problems of SC/ST are purely social and economic part is only the byproduct of this social evil. Similarly, the reservation system was deemed as the most effective tool to fight this social evil but the benefits of it would also be seen economically.

The first thing our constitution ensured is equality ot all citizens regardless of caste, religion, gender etc. Secondly it made provisions of reservation for their inclusion in society, government and administration as per poona pact of 1932. Accordingly reservation was given in legislature, administration and education. Thirdly, untouchability and discrimination based on caste was made a criminal offence. So reservation was not the only tool to bring social justice.

Social evils like dowry as a crime was not universally applicable in each and every case. Wedding gifts by parents can not be stopped. It was given to women because women did not have the right of inheritance to property from parents. This hindu tradition was removed by our govt. thereby making dowry system redundant. Secondly, dowry was criminalized under IPC. So every evil has to be fought as per its nature. I hope I have been able to answer your query.

 

[Screambowl]

Now we know who wants Muslims to remain backward and dependent on government concessions& who wants them ton become respected citizens.


Secularism anyone?

Shahi Imam in delhi, asking mulism to vote AAP. lol.

I dont know about the promise but we do have separate personal law for muslims and a body to govern i.e. All India Muslim Personal Law Board.

They should rather support, Uniform Civil Code.

 

[Razia Sultana]

Shahi Imam in delhi, asking mulism to vote AAP. lol.


They should rather support, Uniform Civil Code.

What is uniform civil code if not just a political rhetoric? Please share the draft code or link with us.

 

[Screambowl]

What is uniform civil code if not just a political rhetoric? Please share the draft code or link with us.

Uniform civil code of India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[utraash]

Trust me I have nothing against your parents, they were only acting as per social norms of their era, good or bad.
I mentioned earlier that problems of SC/ST are purely social and economic part is only the byproduct of this social evil. Similarly, the reservation system was deemed as the most effective tool to fight this social evil but the benefits of it would also be seen economically.

The first thing our constitution ensured is equality ot all citizens regardless of caste, religion, gender etc. Secondly it made provisions of reservation for their inclusion in society, government and administration as per poona pact of 1932. Accordingly reservation was given in legislature, administration and education. Thirdly, untouchability and discrimination based on caste was made a criminal offence. So reservation was not the only tool to bring social justice.

Social evils like dowry as a crime was not universally applicable in each and every case. Wedding gifts by parents can not be stopped. It was given to women because women did not have the right of inheritance to property from parents. This hindu tradition was removed by our govt. thereby making dowry system redundant. Secondly, dowry was criminalized under IPC. So every evil has to be fought as per its nature. I hope I have been able to answer your query.

Don't worry it was not my parents.... I would have even criticised my own parents if had they indulged in such inhumane practices....

Constitutional privileges was meant for over a certain period of time not forever .....
Post India did a good job in bringing the parity for backward ppl ...
First thru educating common masses about the social cruelty in the form of casteism which is why many of todays generation like u n me out rightly rejecting the caste based discrimination..... Now wonder if that has not been done ?

The oppressed ppl also happened to be one of most poorest in the modern India so forefathers were duty bound to bring the economical parity by allowing reservations to those ppl in free India...... Did this help to uplift the backward class ? This is equally debatable as no scientific analysis done in this regard to check the effectiveness of reservations....
Is it appropriate that a rich person from backward class reap the fruit of reservations while countless poor get denied the fundamental constitutional right of providing equality ......?

I wish to amend the current form of reservations n need to be more specific towards economic backwardness of ppl irrespective of their religion caste n etc than just caste specific.....

 

[Razia Sultana]

Uniform civil code of India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There is no draft. Its just a talk about the debate as part of a series on hindu politics. Thats why I made it clear if its more than just a political rhetoric or campaign, has anyone bothered to create a model draft of uniform civil code? India Against Corruption movement seeking to implement Lokpal had their own model Lokpal Bill. If I may assume Shah Bano case to be a turning point in this debate, why its propagators have not come up with a model uniform civil code in last 3 decades?

 

[Screambowl]

There is no draft. Its just a talk about the debate as part of a series on hindu politics. Thats why I made it clear if its more than just a political rhetoric or campaign, has anyone bothered to create a model draft of uniform civil code? India Against Corruption movement seeking to implement Lokpal had their own model Lokpal Bill. If I may assume Shah Bano case to be a turning point in this debate, why its propagators have not come up with a model uniform civil code in last 3 decades?

Why India did not upgrade its Industry in the last 6 decades? Same reason. Under model of fake secularism and congress rule.

 

[PlanetWarrior]

They were not promised special treatment. they were promised EQUAL treatment and our constitution gives equal and equitable treatment to all citizens without any discrimination. And why we should get special treatment, we have no handicap.

Talk for yourself. Read @mujhaidind 's posts and you would realize that he is mentally handicapped

 

[haviZsultan]

Muslims left there should demand seperate electorates like Quaid E Azam demanded in his later life. Jinnah however was reluctant over separate electorates for muslim majority provinces in his early life.

Perhaps we should improvise a system that is specially fit for us (Muslims)... I have divised such a system. The PM of an Islamic secular state should be called sultan or caliph and the ministers Wazirs and the advisers Munshis. Muslims specially free ones need a unique system tailored towards them.

However I would recommend until the nation of India is active the muslims should follow its laws no matter what they are except when they go completely against religion. Personally I believe the Hindus should provide the muslims some space and respect by giving them their own set of laws by which they are governed. But if you don't get that don't fight, respect the constitution because fighting gives us a bad image.

Some people in my family even died there. Still we can't blame all Hindus.