Muslim Pakistan vs Islamic Pakistan

[Umair Nawaz]

If the state of Pakistan does not recognize you as a Muslim, you are not a Muslim either. You can claim to be anyone you like but that wont matter.

and i completely agree with it.

 

[django]

Writing that doesn't mean all our laws are according to Quran and Sunnah no majority are not

Well those laws you feel are un-Islamic why do you not petition to a court and have them rectified to what you interpret as Islamic dear Hazrat, the reality is in the world of realpolitk and statecraft Islam permits a lot of flexibilty.Kudos Hazrat

 

[Zibago]

What I want is Islam and it's crystal clear


Islam is a complete system which has to be and will be implemented

Elaborate the system you desire and what we dont have

Writing that doesn't mean all our laws are according to Quran and Sunnah no majority are not

Court is open

 

[TMA]

We are talking about today. 2018. This is not about "what will be or fortune telling" Only Allahs knows what will happen in the future.

As of now Pakistan does not accept a person on the basis of being "Muslim". You can be the most clean, poius, Muslim on earth but that does not get you through Islamabad Airport Immigration.

And the day "Muslims" are accepted Pakistan as know we today will cease to exist. To east of our borders for 2,000 miles is nearly 500 million Muslims in 30 countries begining with Afghanistan, Iran, Turkey etc etc etc ...

Ideally this ought to be the case, but it goes TWO ways. Not one way like in the case of Afghanistan.
So if a Pakistani Muslim can go to Turkey or Iran or Sudan etc etc with only Kalimah as the Visa, then Pakistan ought to reciprocate with those countries. But more important than an Islamic emigration system, is an Islamic economic and justice system. To be honest, an Islamic immigration system is way down on the list....

Hazrat the 73 constitution states that "All laws are to conform with the injunctions of Islam as laid down in the Quran and Sunnah", so we already have this in place as this is what the people of Pakistan choose however if you wish to see a Taliban style interpretation of Islam were a man can be arrested if his beard is not long enough then my dear chap you will have to face "Men at their best"!

The issue is that these are not enforced. Why is Riba allowed then?

 

[Zarvan]

Well those laws you feel are un-Islamic why do you not petition to a court and have them rectified to what you interpret as Islamic dear Hazrat, the reality is in the world of realpolitk and statecraft Islam permits a lot of flexibilty.Kudos Hazrat

Courts over all are a joke they have failed to even take a stand on interest this over all system will eventually have to go and replaced by a better one and Islamic one

 

[Indus Priest King]

9 pages of arguing. Not one Al Bakistani (Pseudo Pakistan) has been able to answer my questions. Why did all the Islamic parties oppose Pakistan?

Why did they call Pakistan as "Najistan" and why was Quaid-e-Azam called "Kafir-e-Azam"?

Please pseudo-Pakistanis. Answer this question.

 

[El Sidd]

9 pages of arguing. Not one Al Bakistani (Pseudo Pakistan) has been able to answer my questions. Why did all the Islamic parties oppose Pakistan?

Why did they call Pakistan as "Najistan" and why was Quaid-e-Azam called "Kafir-e-Azam"?

Please pseudo-Pakistanis. Answer this question.

Islam has no concept of central Authority.

You should first understand the basics wannabe king

 

[Indus Priest King]

We are a Muslim Pakistan, no doubt. But we still have a long ways to go before we become an Islamic Pakistan.

We don't want to become an Islamic nation. We have already seen what happens when Islam or any religion is given priority. The chokidars of Islam begin running amok.

Look at Lal Masjid, Mumtaz Qadri, and the Faizabad Protest. This will become the norm if we turn into Islamic Pakistan. No thanks.

If you want your Islamic country, go live in Saudi Arabia. Leave us alone.

Islam has no concept of central Authority.
You should first understand the basics wannabe king

Hence forth Islamic country is invalid and impossible to create. You just proved my point. Thank you.

Pakistan was created to save Muslims from being turned into second class citizens which we can now see in India.

Yes, that was the purpose behind Pakistan. But now we don't have a non-Muslim majority (Brahmin-British alliance) threatening Muslims. Explain how we can use that to solve our internal problems?

This is why I have always supported reverting to an Indus nationalist ideology. One which has over 9000 years of rich Indus history behind it.

 

[El Sidd]

Hence forth Islamic country is invalid and impossible to create. You just proved my point. Thank you.

How and your welcome.

Pakistan is based on the democratic principles of Madina.

That is to live under protection of God by his book.

Thusby an islamic federation or a modern Interpretation of a khilafat.

Since you Aspire to be a King. Democratic principles are mistress to your Interpretation.

 

[Indus Priest King]

How and your welcome.

Pakistan is based on the democratic principles of Madina.

That is to live under protection of God by his book.

Thusby an islamic federation or a modern Interpretation of a khilafat.

Since you Aspire to be a King. Democratic principles are mistress to your Interpretation.

You said "Islam has no concept of central Authority"...a government is a central authority, hence forth an Islamic government (Islamic country) is therefore impossible according to your own logic.

This is why you should spend more time reading books on philosophy, science, history etc. rather than reading about how the word "Allah" appeared on a naan.

 

[El Sidd]

You said "Islam has no concept of central Authority"...a government is a central authority, hence forth an Islamic government (Islamic country) is therefore impossible according to your own logic.

This is why you should spend more time reading books on philosophy, science, history etc. rather than reading about how the word "Allah" appeared on a naan.

Yeah No central Authority in the matter of Faith except Quran.

Quran is the central Authority in Islam.

You should really wonder if Allah appeared on a naan. This is mathematical genius at work that is Lord almighty Allah.

Anything Else before we start talking on your mighty indus empires?

 

[Indus Priest King]

Yeah No central Authority in the matter of Faith except Quran.
Quran is the central Authority in Islam.

Quran is how old? Can anyone actually understand what is written? Everyone has there own interpretation of what is written, so how can you create a nation-state based on a book is not clearly described?

You should really wonder if Allah appeared on a naan. This is mathematical genius at work that is Lord almighty Allah. Anything Else before we start talking on your mighty indus empires?

They are your empires as well. You are genetically assocaited with all those empires and kingdoms. Oh wait, do you actually think you're Arab?

Did you know a recent genetic study done in India and Pakistan discovered that over 85% of so-called "Syeds" have ZERO Arabian (West Eurasian) components in there genes? LOL. That's just one example of the yobbery I'm talking about.

Religions belong in the home and in your own mind. We don't need it shoved down our throats.

 

[El Sidd]

Quran is how old? Can anyone actually understand what is written? Everyone has there own interpretation of what is written, so how can you create a nation-state based on a book is not clearly described?



They are your empires as well. You are genetically assocaited with all those empires and kingdoms. Oh wait, do you actually think you're Arab?

Did you know a recent genetic study done in India and Pakistan discovered that over 85% of so-called "Syeds" have ZERO Arabian (West Eurasian) components in there genes? LOL. That's just one example of the yobbery I'm talking about.

Religions belong in the home and in your own mind. We don't need it shoved down our throats.

I am Not here for your indoctrinated rants.

Qurans Interpretation is done democratically by the Muslims.

Basic rules are crystal clear and need No extensive knowledge of the arabic language.

The age of Quran is a different matter altogether. Muslims have gone through aurdious debate as to if its a creation or the literal word of God.

 

[Indus Priest King]

I am Not here for your indoctrinated rants.

Don't talk to me like you're better than me. You should remember you're a slave of Allah. So behave like a good slave.

Qurans Interpretation is done democratically by the Muslims

How? Provide me one example.

Basic rules are crystal clear and need No extensive knowledge of the arabic language.

Give me one example.

The age of Quran is a different matter altogether. Muslims have gone through aurdious debate as to if its a creation or the literal word of God.

That was not the question I asked. The point is, Quran was written for the time period it was written in, not for the 21st century.

 

[El Sidd]

Don't talk to me like you're better than me. You should remember you're a slave of Allah. So behave like a good slave.



How? Provide me one example.



Give me one example.



That was not the question I asked. The point is, Quran was written for the time period it was written in, not for the 21st century.

They are interpreted through a body controlled by the democratically elected government.

Basic laws as to percentage of zakat are crystal clear.

And since you are Not Allah. I am equal to you as you are to me. As per Quran you can only Better in deeds which only Allah will Pass judgement on.

And you have a say that Quran is incompatible to modern living in the 21st century. You have a right to say it. And vote for the Party which promotes this in Pakistan.

I have a right to say that the Quran is the living book. Its principles can be put on man regardless of era age and period. My vote has equal weightage in Pakistan as you.