Muslim Pakistan vs Islamic Pakistan

[GumNaam]

Before we get into the debate of Muslim Pakistan vs. Islamic Pakistan, let's first ask ourselves a question that do we even KNOW what Islam TRULY is??? In spite of so many "scholars" throughout our history, it is apparent because of their own "scholarly" disgreements and in-fights that we still haven't fully grasped what TRUE Islam is...

 

[El Sidd]

Show me one example of this concept functioning properly



Zakat is not mandatory, and this concept is present in almost every religion in some way or form. Furthermore, people who have never even heard of Islam were already practicing this concept before and after. I'm talking about laws pertaining to women's rights, practice of other religions, basic criminal and civil laws. Go ahead, I'm waiting.



I wish I could vote for that party. Unfortunately, people like you end up blowing themselves up or killing people who speak like this (ie. Mumtaz Qadri). Don't mock my intelligence by making such remarks. It only proves how arrogant you people are. But don't worry, you folks will end up being treated the same way Lal Masjid was. Except this time, it won't be the army kicking your ***, it'll be the people of Pakistan. It's only natural...how long will you keep us hostage with your Wahabi ideology? Not for long.



That's 100% your right. My issue is not with infringing your rights. My issue is with PEOPLE LIKE YOU infringing my right to say it's not. The problem is, people like me tolerate...you people don't tolerate. As soon as you don't like something that doesn't align with your Saudi fairy tales you either blow yourselves up or kill people.

But like I said, your day will come. I have envisioned this country revolting against Mullahism. And when that day comes, I hope I'll be able to hang a few Mullahs myself.

Why if i disagree with you is infringement on your Rights but the same does not happen to me?

 

[Indus Priest King]

Why if i disagree with you is infringement on your Rights but the same does not happen to me?

Why? Because...

People of my mentality have something called patience (sabar) and tolerance. I don't kill someone I disagree with.

People of your mentality have something called impatience and intolerance. Your type of people kill someone who they disagree with.

And therein lies the problem.

And please answer my questions above. I asked you for direct examples and quotes and I expect them to be written. Don't go running away like a coward like your Lal Masjid Hijra Mullah.

 

[El Sidd]

Why? Because...

People of my mentality have something called patience (sabar) and tolerance. I don't kill someone I disagree with.

People of your mentality have something called impatience and intolerance. Your type of people kill someone who they disagree with.

And therein lies the problem.

And please answer my questions above. I asked you for direct examples and quotes and I expect them to be written. Don't go running away like a coward like your Lal Masjid Hijra Mullah.

As i said what you are spewing is not something new.

If you think you consider yourself Superior. That is your Personal opinion.

It has No value in the actual World.

What example do you want to have? Zakat is a function of the state in Pakistan and outside Pakistan it can be anything for all i care.

And if you want me to Show you heaven on Earth. I cannot. But surely an indus priest King Can

 

[Indus Priest King]

As i said what you are spewing is not something new. If you think you consider yourself Superior. That is your Personal opinion. It has No value in the actual World.

I thought you cared more about Akhirat. Why is the real world any concern of yours?

What example do you want to have? Zakat is a function of the state in Pakistan and outside Pakistan it can be anything for all i care.

Zakat is not mandatory, nor is it a big issue. People will happily give donations. Pakistan is the largest donating giving nation in the world. You said "Basic rules are crystal clear and need No extensive knowledge of the arabic language.".

So tell me the rules on clothing. Can a woman wear any clothes she wishes? Also tell me about a person who does not believe in Islam? Should they be killed?

And if you want me to Show you heaven on Earth. I cannot. But surely an indus priest King Can

Our ancestors the Harppans were building cities when everyone else were still shooting arrows at the sun...this includes your Arabs you worship and the people from Ganga (North India) who wish they could be related to Harappans but aren't.

 

[El Sidd]

I thought you cared more about Akhirat. Why is the real world any concern of yours?



Zakat is not mandatory, nor is it a big issue. People will happily give donations. Pakistan is the largest donating giving nation in the world. You said "Basic rules are crystal clear and need No extensive knowledge of the arabic language.".

So tell me the rules on clothing. Can a woman wear any clothes she wishes? Also tell me about a person who does not believe in Islam? Should they be killed?



Our ancestors the Harppans were building cities when everyone else were still shooting arrows at the sun...this includes your Arabs you worship and the people from Ganga (North India) who wish they could be related to Harappans but aren't.

I told you i am not here for the indoctrinated rants.

 

[Indus Priest King]

I told you i am not here for the indoctrinated rants.

Thank you for proving my argument correct. Good day.

 

[El Sidd]

Thank you for proving my argument correct. Good day.

You too.

 

[I.R.A]

The person who designed the image in op is unclear, confused and doesn't have enough knowledge on the subject. The labels awarded in the image should have been opposite of the way they are i.e. Founders' side should have been Islamic Pakistan and Rizvi's side should have been Muslim Pakistan.

If I was a "wise knowledgeable" non Muslim, who understood Islam and Quran, I would by all means want an Islamic Pakistan, instead of Muslim Pakistan. Remove Islam from Muslim and then there is nothing to stop him from acting barbaric, oppressor ...... the reality of today's Pakistan i.e. Muslims' Pakistan, a theocracy, full of fatwa selling shops, with little to no knowledge of Quran.

Its funny that narrative being promoted here is Muslims are fine, but Islam is not. Seriously!

Man made laws will never ensure equal rights, will never ensure equal distribution, will never ensure equal treatment. All of us are living for present and none of us considers how our actions are destroying our tomorrow, our future ... the mistake made by many now discovered / found in archaeological sites.

 

[I.R.A]

Put down the charas.

So you are out here attacking people, making personal remarks. Actually an extremist hidden under the cover of liberal modern bhagora Pakistani?

And yet you need a man-made BRITISH COLONIAL law (Blasphemy Law) to defend Islam and the honour of your prophet. HYPOCRISY AT ITS FINEST.

I have been vocal against current blasphemy laws and consider them non Islamic. So yeah a hypocrite would just label anyone anything and then complain.

This is the problem. Every person has his or her own interpretation of Quran, so you cannot base a nation around it.

Quran is its own interpretation ....... its not my fault if no one ever taught you Quran, or your lazy rear never wondered to research about it. You can keep passing the ignorant rants ..... one day you will end up where? let me guess in Harapa, Mohenjo Daro or Taxila ruins ....... waiting for someone to discover you and then make guesses about you, but people will still be reading Quran.

Islam is not fine for government. Islam is a set of ideas...it's a code by which one person can live. Keep Islam in your head, in your own private lives, in your home...I don't need it shoved down my throat.

Nobody is shoving down anything ...... its just your own ignorance and intolerance of Islam.

This is what I call a typical confused Al Bakistani. Sharam kar.

Tayray baap kay ghar say nai khata ....... itna shok chara hay na to a ja Pakistan a kay mujay sharam dalany ki koshish kar ......... tayri harapan dohi pay itni latay lagao ga na kay sara liberal modern pana nikal jy ga ... samj nai rehy gi tujay kay kiss moray say khana khay aur kiss moray say hagay.

 

[Indus Priest King]

So you are out here attacking people, making personal remarks. Actually an extremist hidden under the cover of liberal modern bhagora Pakistani?

I'm a proud Pakistani Indus nationalist...I don't hide it. See my posts...I openly call out Islamists/Salafis/Wahabis/Saudi Bootlickers and I don't hold back. You see, I'm a true Pakistani...I'm proud of my 9000 years of heritage of this beautiful Indus Valley. I know my roots, my culture, my history and love my country. Wish you Al Bakistanis would do the same.

I have been vocal against current blasphemy laws and consider them non Islamic. So yeah a hypocrite would just label anyone anything and then complain.

That's great. Can't wait for Maulana Tariq Jameel or Jamat-e-Islami to do the same. And also, open a dictionary and define what a hypocrite means, because you're using it in all the wrong context.

Quran is its own interpretation ....... its not my fault if no one ever taught you Quran, or your lazy rear never wondered to research about it.

Who said I was never taught it or read it? Making assumptions are we? I fail to understand how this statement negates my premise that Quran cannot be used to build a nation around.

You can keep passing the ignorant rants ..... one day you will end up where? let me guess in Harapa, Mohenjo Daro or Taxila ruins ....... waiting for someone to discover you and then make guesses about you, but people will still be reading Quran.

Am I stopping them? They can read whatever they want. That doesn't mean you become Arab all of a sudden and forget your history. This is one of the most richest territories in human history, and people like you are throwing it away. Being Muslim doesn't mean you become a Saudi...it doesn't mean you forget your culture, history and identity.

Nobody is shoving down anything ...... its just your own ignorance and intolerance of Islam.

Explain Islamiyat then? Explain why a non-Muslim cannot be Prime Minister? If this isn't shoving Quran down our throats, I don't know what is.

Tayray baap kay ghar say nai khata ....... itna shok chara hay na to a ja Pakistan a kay mujay sharam dalany ki koshish kar ......... tayri harapan dohi pay itni latay lagao ga na kay sara liberal modern pana nikal jy ga ... samj nai rehy gi tujay kay kiss moray say khana khay aur kiss moray say hagay.

Ziyada bakwass na kar Arabiya...

 

[The Eagle]

Thread closed for constant rants, insults, mocking & derailing quality discussion by provoking based upon religion.

Regards,