Musharrafs Foreign Trips

[Lahori paa jee]

Musharraf leaves for Brussels

President Gen. Pervez Musharraf Monday left for Brussels for talks with European Union leaders, on a tour that will include visits to Cuba and Washington.

Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz sends off the president at Chaklala Airbase.

Talking with newsmen at the airport Musharraf said that he would discuss Kashmir and other regional and international issues with EU leaders. President Musharraf will also address the European Parliament at Brussels.

Musharraf will travel from Brussels to Havana, Cuba, to attend a summit of the Non Aligned Movement opening on Monday. Pakistan president likely to meet Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on sidelines of the NAM summit.

On the final leg of his tour, Musharraf will travel to New York to attend the U.N. General Assembly session, and will pay an official visit to Washington.

Musharraf will meet with President George W. Bush for talks on Pakistan-U.S. relations. He will also meet several top officials of the Bush administration.

President Musharraf will also meet with United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan. Annan will be the chief guest at the launching ceremony of Musharraf’s autobiography “On the Line of Fire” to be held in New York on Sept. 25.

Musharraf will return home on September 28.

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Pakistan never ever had such shoda President in our history. How can he be promoting a personal item at the expanse of Tax Payers money.

Ofcourse he has saved us from corrupt politicians so he deserves to do anything, go anywhere or kill anyone

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

The duties of running a country takes one far and wide.

 

[Awesome]

That's like saying if He's in the US on an official visit he can't take some time off and goto a decent restaurant with his wife n kids, unless a politicians joining him.

Would you rather have him take a special visit, leave Pakistan to launch his book, or him do it, when he's 'in the neighborhood'.

 

[Srirangan]

The duties of running a country takes one far and wide.

Launching a book takes one far an wide ..

Oh common Lahori! Don't be too harsh, he is a head of state, and his main constituence is unfortunately in foreign land.

 

[blain2]

Oh common Lahori! Don't be too harsh, he is a head of state, and his main constituence is unfortunately in foreign land.

Nice divisive slip in there....however the fact of the matter is that there is ample support for Musharraf in Pakistan (Notwithstanding the fact that he gets on the Indian nerves). People overseas appreciate Musharraf as they see changes in Pakistan that they did not in the past 20 years. The same goes for the public in Pakistan....so Musharraf has been putting his money where his mouth is. Pakistani public is not any different than the rest of South Asia....pretty much a herd....goes where ever the politicans want to take them...(usually on a ride but with Musharraf, things have been a little different).

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Would you rather have him take a special visit, leave Pakistan to launch his book, or him do it, when he's 'in the neighborhood'.

Of course, food is better abroad, right?

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Nice divisive slip in there....however the fact of the matter is that there is ample support for Musharraf in Pakistan (Notwithstanding the fact that he gets on the Indian nerves). People overseas appreciate Musharraf as they see changes in Pakistan that they did not in the past 20 years. The same goes for the public in Pakistan....so Musharraf has been putting his money where his mouth is. Pakistani public is not any different than the rest of South Asia....pretty much a herd....goes where ever the politicans want to take them...(usually on a ride but with Musharraf, things have been a little different).

If one goes by the facts on the ground, then one wonders if he has the support of the masses.

If he was confident, he would have thrown his uniform and stood his ground as the new Messiah of Pakistan. However, by doing so, he might have a coup organised against him or else why is he not shedding his uniform?

If he was that popular, he should not be showing off his pistol that has IR or something (a post subscribed by Asim) and stating that it is for protection .

As a Moslem, one does not agree to kill Moslems by joining a non Moslem in a War on Terror that is designed basically against Moslems. One hears in the Moslen war that the War on Terror is basically a War on Islam. I wonder if that is what you claim is his base for popularity! But then I am no Moslem, but if you say that is perfect, who am I to argue?

Yes, notwithstanding, he is doing great for Pakistan.

 

[blain2]

If one goes by the facts on the ground, then one wonders if he has the support of the masses.

If he was confident, he would have thrown his uniform and stood his ground as the new Messiah of Pakistan. However, by doing so, he might have a coup organised against him or else why is he not shedding his uniform?

If he was that popular, he should not be showing off his pistol that has IR or something (a post subscribed by Asim) and stating that it is for protection .

As a Moslem, one does not agree to kill Moslems by joining a non Moslem in a War on Terror that is designed basically against Moslems. One hears in the Moslen war that the War on Terror is basically a War on Islam. I wonder if that is what you claim is his base for popularity! But then I am no Moslem, but if you say that is perfect, who am I to argue?

Yes, notwithstanding, he is doing great for Pakistan.

First of all just a suggestion...its Muslim and not Moslem which essentially is a screwed up version used by many in the West.

If he was confident, he would have thrown his uniform and stood his ground as the new Messiah of Pakistan. However, by doing so, he might have a coup organised against him or else why is he not shedding his uniform?

The issue is not about him being confident or not. That is a political issue and while many may disagree with him (including myself), it does not mean that people do not see the positive changes he has brought about.

If he was that popular, he should not be showing off his pistol that has IR or something (a post subscribed by Asim) and stating that it is for protection

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Not sure what a handgun has to do with his popularity? (he btw was always fond of handguns even before becoming the President and used to wear a Sig in holster when he was CoAS..see picture below) The AQ supported groups have made 3 assasination attempts on his life so what can he do about it? He himself admits that the handgun can't really do much against suicide bombers but a hobby is a hobby. Why don't you ask any of your beloved prime ministers to walk around the country without the legions of NSG body guards? Popularity is one thing, common sense is another.

As a Moslem, one does not agree to kill Moslems by joining a non Moslem in a War on Terror that is designed basically against Moslems. One hears in the Moslen war that the War on Terror is basically a War on Islam. I wonder if that is what you claim is his base for popularity! But then I am no Moslem, but if you say that is perfect, who am I to argue?

Are you kidding me here? Maybe a spiel like this should be given to the many Muslim Indian Army officers and jawans who are ready to take up arms against Pakistan or have been busy putting down insurgency in IOK by killing Muslims there on the orders of a non-Muslim entity like the GoI.....maybe you can preach to them that they should not join the IA because they will end up killing their "Moslem" :whatever: Kashmiri or Pakistani brethren....Musharraf did what was right for Pakistan at the time of the US invasion of Afghanistan. Had he taken on the US (much to your pleasure), the US would have done your work against Pakistan...so again hats off to him for extricating Pakistan from a difficult situation.

The peace pact in FATA is a recognition that Musharraf does not want to go against Muslims for the sake of pleasing the west as you seem to infer....it was a difficult situation for him and Pakistan....but on the balance, I think the US has also seen that it was one which was counter-productive...against hats off to him for convincing the US to go along with the peace pact with the tribals...overall I think he has done well for Pakistan. Things could be better but then the same can be said about India and much of the rest of the world.

Musharraf (With NS as CoAS):
http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/151...4AD9FDB9CF193DC3061DE8BFAA86AAD4D635718A4A18C

 

[Lahori paa jee]

BOTH the prime minister and the president repeatedly go on international tours when the same job, if any, can be done by our innumerable ambassadors and missions abroad.

After surviving a no-confidence motion, Shaukat Aziz left on a five-day four-nation visit to Norway, the United Kingdom, Turkey and Lebanon. Mr Aziz has already visited these countries a few times. The president has also visited all these countries more than once. These tours are very expensive and cost a lot in foreign exchange which has to be borne by hard-pressed Pakistani taxpayers.

Now on top of this President Musharraf is planning a 10-daylong visit to the US and probably to a few other countries to promote his book which is soon to be released. Since the public tax- payers’ money is involved in financing the tour, should the citizens of Pakistan expect to be reimbursed from royalty earned by his memoirs.

Also, assuming that the president wrote this book himself, this was done when he was being paid by the taxpayers, so they should be compensated by any money earned by him during his ‘office hours’ officially paid time.

What is the need to go on extended foreign tours when things are messed up in Pakistan. There is turmoil in Balochistan, Karachi is suffering from traffic jams as well as roads damaged by rains and frequent power failures, while in the rest of the country there is increasing political and religious polarisation. We should also not forget the horrible deficit and the ever-increasing foreign debt which the future generations of Pakistanis will have to pay.

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One hardly finds any article on such events but luckily i read this letter in Dawn

As per Pakistani constitution any person who is getting salary from government of Pakistan cannot hold a public office. If indeed he wishes to do so then he has to resign (or retire), wait for two years and then participate. During the time of active service that person cannot do any other job or carry out business activities.

This great saviour of Pakistan is not only holding a public office in uniform but also trying to make money from writing books which no president or prime minister or army chief has ever done before

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Why don't you ask any of your beloved prime ministers to walk around the country without the legions of NSG body guards? Popularity is one thing, common sense is another.

My beloved PM trust his people and so they guard him from foreign funded and trained terrorists.

Some people don't even trust their shadow and so have to have their own revolvers/ pistol!

 

[blain2]

My beloved PM trust his people and so they guard him from foreign funded and trained terrorists.

Some people don't even trust their shadow and so have to have their own revolvers/ pistol!

Oh please spare me the hogwash! Mama (Indra) Gandhi and son are great examples of those loved by their own people...both got shot and blown to bits by Indians....

As I said earlier...our man Musharraf really gets on your nerves...I simply love it!

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Oh please spare me the hogwash! Mama (Indra) Gandhi and son are great examples of those loved by their own people...both got shot and blown to bits by Indians....

As I said earlier...our man Musharraf really gets on your nerves...I simply love it!

It is better to live without fear and die for what you feel is right than live in fear steeped with distrust of even one's shadow and be seen as a person who is afraid of his people.

There are many saying on being a living dead, but I prefer not to mention the same.

No, I like Musharraf. Even the choice in Pakistan, there is but no option!

 

[blain2]

It is better to live without fear and die for what you feel is right than live in fear steeped with distrust of even one's shadow and be seen as a person who is afraid of his people.

There are many saying on being a living dead, but I prefer not to mention the same.

No, I like Musharraf. Even the choice in Pakistan, there is but no option!

I suspect the problem is that you really do not know what it is like in Pakistan since you have never gone there (or at least ever since Musharraf took over).

Musharraf gets out and meets people. He goes to concerts, he goes to colleges and universities, he goes to the friday prayers and he goes to jalsay...all of that in front of the Pakistani public and in their presence...the security detail is alway present just because it is common sense...something that your "beloved" leadership never goes without either or for that matter no leader anywhere in the world goes without a security detail....

Musharraf is a practical person, he is a patriot and at the same time is aware of the pressures on Pakistan from within and outside...the pressures from a certain fringe within require that he take precautions.

The same level of security that goes along with the Indian PM is present in Pakistan, nothing more and nothing less. I think, as always, you are making a big deal out of nothing.

 

[Awesome]

Of course, food is better abroad, right?

Of course Sales in the US mean putting the Pakistani point of view forward towards the people we are so deeply entangled with in recent times.

It's not just Musharraf who has been in the line of fire, but all of Pakistan has pretty much stood in harms way which has resulted in protection for America.

 

[Sid]

It is better to live without fear and die for what you feel is right than live in fear steeped with distrust of even one's shadow and be seen as a person who is afraid of his people.

There are many saying on being a living dead, but I prefer not to mention the same.

And you force me to assume that you haven't heard the saying, 'People who live in glass houses should not throw stone'?? Why not give this advice of 'dying for what you feel is right' and 'not to be afraid of one's own people' to Mr Manmohan and his predecessors who can't help but speak to their own people from behind a shield of bulletproof screen and use other strenuous security details to travel around their own country. I'm sure one's own yard is a good place to start.



P.S. You just do not seem to stop throwing flame baits. I'm contemplating a more stern stance the next time you do that.