Musharraf does it again!

[genmirajborgza786]

he is not an ordinary person ... he is a guest of the Chinese govt.
Let me ask you this, would you vote for him if he takes part in election against the likes of Zardari and NS?

If not then why not?

to answer your first questain for me he (musharref) is not even worth a cent to your second questain the answer is SHAHBAZ SHARIF

 

[azadhumayun]

Screw all of you Democracy supporting Baboons.

Our people are being killed by terrorists who are clearly backed by these so called democrats. May the whore burn in hell, may her husband and the shareefs join her soon.

People are getting killed, and they care about is some CJ or governer rule, as if it'll solve anything. Biggest terrorists are the ones sitting hte government right now.

Bring back Musharraf!!!!!!!!!

 

[RescueRanger]

My statement was not meant as a personal attack, but as a cry of despair, an expression of just how weak democracy is in Pakistan, that people have more faith in a usurping general than in an elected president.

H. L. Mencken once said: Democracy is only a dream: it should be put in the same category as Arcadia, Santa Claus, and Heaven.

 

[qsaark]

H. L. Mencken once said: Democracy is only a dream: it should be put in the same category as Arcadia, Santa Claus, and Heaven.

If we go by per-capita income, the top 10 countries are

1 Norway $43400
2 Switzerland $40680
3 United States $37870
4 Japan $34180
5 Denmark $33570
6 Sweden $28910
7 United Kingdom $28320
8 Finland $427060
9 Ireland $27010
10 Austria $26810

and co-incidently, all 10 of them are "demoCRAZY". On the other hand, the most poor as well as corrupt countries believe in "dandaCRAZY".

Our friend H. L. Mencken was also a racist, he believed in class system and a critic of US involvement in the WWII. Having this kind of 'feudal' mentality, how one can expect him to favor democracy?

 

[RabzonKhan]

If we go by per-capita income, the top 10 countries are

1 Norway $43400
2 Switzerland $40680
3 United States $37870
4 Japan $34180
5 Denmark $33570
6 Sweden $28910
7 United Kingdom $28320
8 Finland $427060
9 Ireland $27010
10 Austria $26810

and co-incidently, all 10 of them are "demoCRAZY". On the other hand, the most poor as well as corrupt countries believe in "dandaCRAZY".

Our friend H. L. Mencken was also a racist, he believed in class system and a critic of US involvement in the WWII. Having this kind of 'feudal' mentality, how one can expect him to favor democracy?

I couldn't have said it better.

 

[RescueRanger]

If we go by per-capita income, the top 10 countries are

1 Norway $43400
2 Switzerland $40680
3 United States $37870
4 Japan $34180
5 Denmark $33570
6 Sweden $28910
7 United Kingdom $28320
8 Finland $427060
9 Ireland $27010
10 Austria $26810

and co-incidently, all 10 of them are "demoCRAZY". On the other hand, the most poor as well as corrupt countries believe in "dandaCRAZY".

Our friend H. L. Mencken was also a racist, he believed in class system and a critic of US involvement in the WWII. Having this kind of 'feudal' mentality, how one can expect him to favor democracy?

Statistics are like a Bikini, what they reveal is suggestive, what they conceal is vital... You may have your view and I have mine. Let’s put it this way, Hitler thought that Nazi Fascism was the answer, Russia thought it was communism, the British had the empire, the Muslims had the Caliphate.

In the end, these are all just systems. I personally only believe in one thing, you can take the leopard out of the jungle, but you cannot take the jungle out of the leopard.

Why do we need Democrazy so? Why? Is it a "Want" or a "Need"? In my opinion, what we need is soul searching and to abide by what we feel is best for our people rather than just cut copy and paste someone else's ideology in a lame attempt to conform to the international "system".

 

[qsaark]

Statistics are like a Bikini, what they reveal is suggestive, what they conceal is vital...

Oh yes, this is exactly what I believe in. As Mark Twain once said "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."

You may have your view and I have mine. Let’s put it this way, Hitler thought that Nazi Fascism was the answer, Russia thought it was communism, the British had the empire, the Muslims had the Caliphate.

Right you are but the question is which system prevailed?

In the end, these are all just systems. I personally only believe in one thing, you can take the leopard out of the jungle, but you cannot take the jungle out of the leopard.

Why do we need Democrazy so? Why? Is it a "Want" or a "Need"? In my opinion, what we need is soul searching and to abide by what we feel is best for our people rather than just cut copy and paste someone else's ideology in a lame attempt to conform to the international "system".

But it is undeniable that these countries are rich, their population is well-off and they carry weight in the International arena. And it just can’t be a co-incident that all of them have opted for Democracy. If Democracy was not a good system, they would have dropped it like a hot potato decades ago. Like any other form of Government, democracy has its short comings, it is not deniable, however, as compared to others forms, it is better. And finally, at the end of the day, what matters is the ‘results’. We have experimented with totalitarian form of governments for good 35-40 years. We had started with countries like Malaysia, Singapore, South Korea, Thailand, Indonesia, and India and just compare where they have reached and where we are standing. I have visited Malaysia, Thailand, and South Korea, and it’s amazing to see what they have managed to achieve in mere 50-60 years, and we? Still debating on what form of Government suits us better.

 

[RescueRanger]

Oh yes, this is exactly what I believe in. As Mark Twain once said "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."

Right you are but the question is which system prevailed?

But it is undeniable that these countries are rich, their population is well-off and they carry weight in the International arena. And it just can’t be a co-incident that all of them have opted for Democracy. If Democracy was not a good system, they would have dropped it like a hot potato decades ago. Like any other form of Government, democracy has its short comings, it is not deniable, however, as compared to others forms, it is better. And finally, at the end of the day, what matters is the ‘results’. We have experimented with totalitarian form of governments for good 35-40 years. We had started with countries like Malaysia, Singapore, South Korea, Thailand, Indonesia, and India and just compare where they have reached and where we are standing. I have visited Malaysia, Thailand, and South Korea, and it’s amazing to see what they have managed to achieve in mere 50-60 years, and we? Still debating on what form of Government suits us better.

Touche, you make a very strong argument. Very well, lets see how and where this democracy takes us. Jab itna kuch bardash kar lia hai, to ab Is ko be aazma lain gey!

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

An issue regarding the red mosque came into discussion and I would like to re-post few lines regarding that issue.






Hi,

After observing the incidence on live tv, I was very concerned at the lack of understanding of the pakistani govt , the politicians etc at what happened at RED MOSQUE. The issues of the red mosque were not addressed and dealt with properly. Seemingly, the pakistani govt didnot understand or comprhensd the stuation or didnot know how to stand upto it.

The first and foremost thing to confront was, that the red mosque students were mentally brainwashed by their the teachers and made emotionally captive---by the principal and their cohorts. The parents of those kids, boys and girls had sent their children to get an education----the parents didnot send their childern to be recruited into a children's army of maulana Abdul Aziz Ghazi. Ghazi used the kids to meet his personal agenda and the agenda of al qaeda----he trained them instead, to fight his personal wars. He filled their innocent minds with hatred for the society and anybody else who didnot think like them. He collected weapons and stored them in the seminary to fight the govt forces. He had prepared a fighting force out the young innocent students who came to study at the school.For that reason he committed treason against the state.

The government should have fought tooth and nail in the media to get this message across to the masses of the country---this issue should have been pounded over and over again and again. But before we had gotten to that position----the red mosque issue should have been brought to notice and an ending, a lot sooner. The result showed the casual approach taken and lack of understanding by Gen Musharraf and his colleagues about this major issue. We had fools at our dispoasl aka Ijaz Ul Haque---Ch Shujaat etc etc---these guys were making deals with known terrorists and were trying to get them safe passage---. Ch Shujaat is a known blabbering idiot who has never stepped up and taken the bull by the horns----he would rather use his weak kneed diplomacy against the very people who wanted to hijack the ideology of the nation.

To top it all off---the govt let the media run out of control in every which way---every tv anchor suddenly became a MASTER HOSTAGE NEGOTIATOR, gave all kind of live tv coverage to the scenario at hand----the situation ran totally out of control.

Truthfully---pakistan had wished that this monster of radicalism will disappear somehow or the other----america will get tired and leave----and we will be doing things that we had been doing through all these years.

There is something fundamentally wrong here---pak army has taken too long to neutralize the issue at stake. The cardinal rule of command is to neutralize the insurgency in the shortest period of time and do not stop once the enmy is on the run to sign for peace. Pakistan army generals had been made a fool many atimes over, by the taliban and the jirga. Somebody needs to tell them what the real problem is and how things need to be dealt with.

Pak army needs a better propaganda manager in the FATA. The propaganda should be in the form of radio bulletins, on public losdspeaker systems in village, towns and city squares, by leaflet drops over all territory continuosly---by declaring the taliban as enemies of the state, the muslims and islam----suicide bombers as enemies of ALLAH, his beloved prophet, the holy Quraan and the teachings of the holy prophet Mohammad. This media campaign should be continuous and relentless.

I really am surprised that why the media savy americans have not done so already---why has this information not been used and enforced in pakistan. This is the only way pakistan can control the minds of the people-----a massive media campaign 24/7----with a religious background but condemning the acts of the taliban.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,


Muslims and people reading history should ask this question to themselves----what if this insurgency had taken place at the time of Caliph UMAR---what would have happened---we do know the answer----every male would have have been executed and some of the female leaders as well---and the rest of them expelled to far away places.

How about this same incidence during the Abassid calip rule---possibly every single member male---female--adult or younger people---executed---put to sword---the place brought down to rubble and all mention of it wiped off---.

How about the same incidence at the time of the Great Hajaj bin Yousuf---the mullahs would have been wetting their pants and dare not dream of such a thing---

How about at the time of mughal empire in hindustan---all the adult males would have been severly tortured---mutilated---their bodies chopped up in pieces and hung on public display----the woman and younger students all of them would be slaughtered as well---the seminary raised to the ground---any body having a soft spot for the radicals would also be executed---.

How about at the time of Amir Abdur Rahman of afghanistan----most of the adult would be killed---all the younger members boys girls and women would be executed---all the senior members and surviving leadership---would be put up in steel wiremesh cages---hung on public displays---till they died and the carcass and bones left in the hanging cages for public display..

Thsi insurrection should have been ruthlessly suppressed and an example made out of it right from the word go----pakistan has paid a very heavy price for not doing what a nation was supposed to do.


How about this incidence happening in the U S of A---like David Koresh---possibly the complex lit on fire and all inside charred to death---any men women and children taken into police custody and passed through psychiatric evaluation.

I have respected Musharraf---he has done a lot for pakistan---but when it came to providing justice to the por---the weak---the pakistanis---he was weak kneed---suddenly his cojones would disappear.

I truly wish that instead of Ch Shujaat---Shahbaz Sharif should have stood up and taken the post of prime minister of pakistan under Musharraf---Shahbaz is know to have ballz and guts---a thousand times more than his brother Nawaz---Ch Shujaat truly single handedly set us way back. We needed a man with courage, distinction and purpose to lead us---we only got a deal maker.

 

[HK-47]

Right you are but the question is which system prevailed?

Capitalism?

 

[Rafael]

Screw all of you Democracy supporting Baboons.

Our people are being killed by terrorists who are clearly backed by these so called democrats. May the whore burn in hell, may her husband and the shareefs join her soon.

People are getting killed, and they care about is some CJ or governer rule, as if it'll solve anything. Biggest terrorists are the ones sitting hte government right now.

Bring back Musharraf!!!!!!!!!

and who started it??? I bet we didnt had a single suicide attack before 2003.

 

[Kasrkin]

Then you would be betting wrong raheel1, terrorism during NS's time was going up not down. After 9/11 things just boiled over, Musharraf was just unlucky he was incharge.

 

[Rafael]

Then you would be betting wrong raheel1, terrorism during NS's time was going up not down. After 9/11 things just boiled over, Musharraf was just unlucky he was incharge.

Karskin sir, Can you compare terrorism of those times to what it is now?

I mean hardly any day go by when we dont have any terrorist attack inside pak's borders...

 

[duhastmish]

Karskin sir, Can you compare terrorism of those times to what it is now?

I mean hardly any day go by when we dont have any terrorist attack inside pak's borders...

Musharraf has not much to do with - current state of pakistan.
I think most of it began in N.S times with kargil war and removing Musharraf, IsI holding much more power than - goverment itself.

Musharaff was probably one person who - can handle everybody, ISI ,ARMY , GOVERMNET, Supream court, people . He took some steps which were not right but Reason was more of conditions he was in.
Times were such to take those steps.

9/11 happned - musharaff actually saved pakistan from americans, and gained lot of diplomatic respect from world. Imagine a country like america openly - accepting a Genral of defence to be president of a country ???

Its not small thing - people all over world respected and hardly saw him as a - ruler!