Most of Pakistan isn't a part of the Indian sub-continent

[Yogijaat]

Stop promoting this fantasy that we are Indians or ex-Hindus, you are as bad as the Hindu fanatics.

Every citizen of this nation of Pakistan is a Pakistani, full stop.

You ask a Pakistani Rajput if he is Indian, he would rather cut his own throat than say it.

We did not fight for hundreds of years to spread Islam and defeat the enemies of Muslims to be called ex-Hindu or Indian by you.

100 years of Islam and you still can't get over with caste system? Don't tell me that they are tribes, not caste BS.

 

[Rusty]

100 years of Islam and you still can't get over with caste system? Don't tell me that they are tribes, not caste BS.

No cast system here. We purged that hateful ideology long ago.

 

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100 years of Islam and you still can't get over with caste system? Don't tell me that they are tribes, not caste BS.

We have been Muslim since 700 AD. Pathetic practice of the disgraceful Hinduist caste system is not practiced in Pakistan.

 

[BringHarmony]

Stop polluting this thread with your conspiracy theories.

In Pakistan, Des or Desi simply means country (I.e. Pakistan.)

Par des means outside of Pakistan.

Apna Des means our own Pakistan.

From what I gather, you Indians and BD refer to yourselves as Deshi, not Desi.

There is no conspiracy theory. If there is one, refute with evidence. BTW, usage of the language is dependent on people. Desi is a loan word in Canadian, American, British, Australian vernacular. It roughly means Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi or Indian subcontinental.

And, no thanks, I am not Desi.

May I ask, why Pakistani show such a high degree of irritation when presented with facts or counter evidence to their strongly held believes. The other guy here is not even ready to put his claim to test but he very strongly believes in it.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

100 years of Islam and you still can't get over with caste system? Don't tell me that they are tribes, not caste BS.

Because you racists conflate tribe with caste doesn’t make us wrong for ascribing to our tribal ancestry.

Go lynch/rape some Indian Muslims or kill/strip some Dalits and log off PDF. We don’t need this place sullied with your nonsense.

There is no conspiracy theory. If there is one, refute with evidence. BTW, usage of the language is dependent on people. Desi is a loan word in Canadian, American, British, Australian vernacular. It roughly means Indian, Indian subcontinental.

And, no thanks, I am not Desi.

May I ask, why Pakistani show such a high degree of irritation when presented with facts or counter evidence to their strongly held believes. The other guy here is not even ready to put his claim to test but he very strongly believes in it.

Des is an Urdu word meaning own country. If a Pakistani uses it, it refers to Pakistan (his homeland.)

Bangla Desh is an example of the proper use of the form of that word found in Bengali, meaning homeland of Bengalis.

Having lived in Pakistan, I don’t need to prove to a foreigner like yourself about our thinking as a nation.

It is misused in the West and people are starting to understand the nuance.

Now mostly it is used by Indians who try to co-opt Pakistanis and their culture to stretch the definition of race and culture, or by Bangladeshis who try to find commonality with Pakistanis.

The difference between Pakistanis and Indians/BD is night and day. We have more in common with some European, Arab, Persian, Turkic, North African countries than you.

 

[BringHarmony]

Those cultural features are part of what makes us look different.

I've got a better idea. Dump in other brown people (all of a similarish shade) too into your little collage of faces, with the same criteria applied to all of them. You're going to notice how difficult it is to distinguish between them.

If you followed the discussion in which my comment was made, it was a counter claim to the argument made by a venerable Pakistani poster about how 'genetics' and 'race' separates Indian Punjabi from Pakistani Punjabi and in general Indian from Pakistani. And how a well-trained Pakistani can ALWAYS tell a Pakistani from an Indian Punjabi just by one glance because apparently Indian Punjabi are 'mixed'. To test this, you need to keep other variables constant, hence cultural motifs need to be kept constant.

BTW, I agree, that Indian and Pakistani Punjabi culture while having major similarities have many important differences too. Religion being the biggest part perhaps.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

If you followed the discussion in which my comment was made, it was a counter claim to the argument made by a venerable Pakistani poster about how 'genetics' and 'race' separates Indian Punjabi from Pakistani Punjabi and in general Indian from Pakistani. And how a well-trained Pakistani can ALWAYS tell a Pakistani from an Indian Punjabi just by one glance because apparently Indian Punjabi are 'mixed'. To test this, you need to keep other variables constant, hence cultural motifs need to be kept constant.

BTW, I agree, that Indian and Pakistani Punjabi culture while having major similarities have many important differences too. Religion being the biggest part perhaps.

Indian Punjabis are mixed with Southern Dravidian races and tend to be darker and have Indian facial features like UP and Gujuratis.

Pakistanis Punjabis tend to be lighter and have more Irani facial features typical of Pukhtoons, Kashmiris, Baloch.

 

[BringHarmony]

Des is an Urdu word meaning own country. If a Pakistani uses it, it refers to Pakistan (his homeland.)

Sure that may be the origin of the word but as it is used in English vernacular, it does not mean Of My Homeland.

If a Native American comes and tells that he is a Desi, it won't mean he is from the homeland. It will mean he is confused. In English vernehcular Desi is used exclusively by the people of Indian Subcontinent and that includes Indians, Pakistani and Bangaldeshi.

Having lived in Pakistan, I don’t need to prove to a foreigner like yourself about our thinking as a nation.

I am not commenting on your nation. I am commenting on your nations diaspora living in foreign countries. Certainly I have quite a bit of visibility in that, they are living in my country and I see almost all the aspects of their life.

It is misused in the West and people are starting to understand the nuance.

Thats how vernaculars works. Do you think you are using all the words according to their original meaning? If that was the case no one would be "Surfing the web". Languages and their usage evolve.

The different between Pakistanis and Indians/BD is night and day. We have more in common with some European, Arab, Persian, Turkic, North African countries than you.

Pakistani have way less common with me certainly. I am of Scottish origin. Honestly, how is it possible that you will have more in common with people living thousand of Kilometres but not with people who were living with you in British empire of India. You may certainly have some commonality with Persians. But for a large chunk of Pakistani, closest people are the ones from Indian Punjab.

Indian Punjabis are mixed with Southern Dravidian races and tend to be darker and have Indian facial features like UP and Gujuratis.

Pakistanis Punjabis tend to be lighter and have more Irani facial features typical of Pukhtoons, Kashmiris, Baloch.

Sure! Lets see some faces from Lahore!

So here is what I did. I searched Lahore Market Crowd in images.google.com and too the first image with faces visible. It happens to be the first image itself.

Lets see Delhi Market Crowd. And apply the same process.

Here is one for London (Europe) BTW, to which you claim being close, the same process :

Now tell me which one is day/night difference.

 

[Chhatrapati]

and India is a rich country?

Median wealth of a Pakistani is nearly 3x higher than an Indian's.

Yeah, sure. HDI, per capita GDP, life expectancy, literacy etc.... are in dirt poor category and many indicators suggest you're similar to Nigeria in many aspects. Anyway, my point is not India is rich, but a regional integration will make India too poor than before. So, anyone who thinks such a scenario is stupid.

 

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Some handpicked low-quality images above.

Here is crowd of Pakistan cricket fans.

And now here are the Indians.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Some handpicked low-quality images above.

Here is crowd of Pakistan cricket fans.

And now here are the Indians.

Shhh. Mr. “Scottish” Hindutva is trying to prove Pakistanis are the long lost children of India.

Don’t disrupt his glass house.

 

[HalfMoon]

Ancient India included Central Asia but current day Pakistanis are mostly of Arab origin and are not natives to the subcontinent.

 

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Ancient India included Central Asia but current day Pakistanis are mostly of Arab origin and are not natives to the subcontinent.

WRONG! Diodorus' Biblioteca Histórica refutes your claim! The Greek geographer strictly defined India and Gandaria as two different nations.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Sikh crowd

...VS...

Lahore crowd

Islamabad crowd

Peshawar crowd

Quetta crowd

As you can see, Pakistanis are a single racial stock (Indus/Iranic.)

We are different than Sikhs who have different facial features, body type, weight, and height than us.

Ancient India included Central Asia but current day Pakistanis are mostly of Arab origin and are not natives to the subcontinent.

Ridiculous statement.

There is no such thing as ancient India.

Indus was never part of Ganges civilization.

Most Pakistanis are Indus/Irani original natives of the land, just like Kashmiris.

Since ancient times, Irani tribes migrated in waves to Pakistan, which resulted in our unique phenotype and culture.

Your Hindutva pseudo-history has no hold here.

 

[swnjo]

"Indian" Subcontinent , awesome, our own personal subcontinent along with an ocean to go. great.