Most of Pakistan isn't a part of the Indian sub-continent

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Dude relax!
One can be both Punjabi and Pakistani Or Punjabi and Indian. Also, one can be non-Punjabi and either ethnicity. A single ethnic group does not define the political identity of a nation and a single nationality need not necessarily bind an ethnicity. Those days are over if they were ever there in the first place.

Being Punjabi does not mean you stop being Pakistani or Indian or heck Canadian.

Oh! and ethnicity is way deeper than just the language. Heck dare I say, ethnicity is way deeper than even nationality?

I am ethnic Scottish but that does not disqualify me from being a Canadian, or vice-versa. And being an ethnic Scottish does not make me a British subject, necessarily. Isn't it? Neither the British nationality is limited to Scottish or Welsh.

Modern day Pakistani Punjabis are racially different to modern day indian Punjabis (who make up less than 3% of india's population, anyway). This is due to indian Punjabis intermarrying with indian ethnicies/races who not common to Pakistanis; and Pakistani Punjabis intermarrying with ethnicites/races to the West of us who are racially alien to indians.

 

[BringHarmony]

Modern day Pakistani Punjabis are racially different to modern day indian Punjabis (who make up less than 3% of india's population, anyway). This is due to indian Punjabis intermarrying with indian ethnicies/races who not common to Pakistanis; and Pakistani Punjabis intermarrying with ethnicites/races to the West of us who are racially alien to indians.

Racially or Genetically? They are not the same.

You do know that "Race" can be stretched. Also, race is a rather fickle concept and redefined to suite certain agenda.

I am "sharing" my race with Russians and Austrians and Germans but heck, genetically there will be differences among us. We are still considered the same race though. A person can tell if I am a German White or a Scottish White or Greek White by even looking at us. We are still the same race somehow. Because those who discuss the race have their agenda satisfied by keeping us "In Race".

BTW, how do you know that Only Indians are intermarrying with other Indian "non-Punjabis" and "Pakistani-Punjabis" are not also intermarrying with say Pushtuns or Iranian-looking-Pakistani? It's not always obvious by just looking.

For that matter, I know there is some Greek blood in my family. But by looks, I couldn't have told it apart. Only using a blood test we were able to find it.

Even from looks alone --which is how Race is usually identified-- at least I am not able to tell Indian Punjabis and Pakistani Punjabis apart.

 

[Liquidmetal]

You do realize that a sports event does not last all year round, right? Its a one-off thing. People here in Canada and rest of the 'western' world do not live in fear of being called for any particular ethnicity. They call themselves whatever they want to suit their own agenda.

No it was just examples to show how many thousands of people will celebrate Pakistan and to shoot down your lies and propaganda, so those thousands are chanting Pakistan Zindabad are not a good enough example for you but your tiny coterie of Pak friends is representative of the feelings of a diaspora made of millions of people. So my small base of Indians that want nothing to be Indian but be as white as possible shows that you lot outside are just a bunch of coconuts right. The truth is most Pakistanis are deeply offended when we are labelled by ignorant people as Indian, we have our identity and nationality and want nothing to do with the bigots next door.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

The truth is most Pakistanis are deeply offended

If they are they certainly don't show it. They like to watch Indian movies, they like run Indian restaurents, they like to eat Indian food, they like to say the are partitioned from India, they like to wear Indian cloths. In fact they can't live without using 'India' or 'Desi' which is another way of saying 'India'.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Racially or Genetically? They are not the same.

You do know that "Race" can be stretched. Also, race is a rather fickle concept and redefined to suite certain agenda.

I am "sharing" my race with Russians and Austrians and Germans but heck, genetically there will be differences among us. We are still considered the same race though. A person can tell if I am a German White or a Scottish White or Greek White by even looking at us. We are still the same race somehow. Because those who discuss the race have their agenda satisfied by keeping us "In Race".

BTW, how do you know that Only Indians are intermarrying with other Indian "non-Punjabis" and "Pakistani-Punjabis" are not also intermarrying with say Pushtuns or Iranian-looking-Pakistani? It's not always obvious by just looking.

For that matter, I know there is some Greek blood in my family. But by looks, I couldn't have told it apart. Only using a blood test we were able to find it.

Even from looks alone --which is how Race is usually identified-- at least I am not able to tell Indian Punjabis and Pakistani Punjabis apart.

But that is conjecture at most. I find extremely easy to tell the difference between a Pakistani Punjabi and an indian Punjabi. Even more easier to tell the diference butween a Pakistani and an indian.

 

[Gangetic]

But that is conjecture at most. I find extremely easy to tell the difference between a Pakistani Punjabi

I can tell apart Pothwari speakers in the north and Seraiki speakers in the south due to skin colour and facial features. But can you tell apart a Lahori and Amritsari?

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

No matter what majority of Pakistanis have Indian ancestry, so learn to live with it.

Please define "Indian ancestry" because according to numerous genetic studies; there is a clear distinction between Pakistanis and Indians.

As much as I have seen here in Canada, Pakistani only call themselves Pakistani in private conversation among themselves. Officially they call themselves "Punjabi", "Indian", "Desi" etc.

That's BS, I have lived amongst numerous multi-cultural communities in the United States and Canada.

Don't put words in my mouth. I would hate to be reintegrated with you lot. You're a poor country, we already have a fair share of problems.

and India is a rich country?

Median wealth of a Pakistani is nearly 3x higher than an Indian's.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I can tell apart Pothwari speakers in the north and Seraiki speakers in the south due to skin colour and facial features. But can you tell apart a Lahori and Amritsari?

Very easily. Modern day Pakistani Punjabis are completely different to modern day indian Punjabis. They are not the same people they were 100 of more years ago.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Mohajirs???
We punjabis are Indian ancestry, Bajwa chattha jatt etc etc. So are the Sindhi. Only pushton and Baluch are Iranic.

too bad even british dont agree with retards like yourself.

For example... Richard Burton who travelled the entire region and more... researched and wrote a book:
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.22744

He mentions how one can see the difference even in physical and facial features when one enters Sindh which has always remained a STATE... And is rightfully called the mother of south asia..

Sindh is probably the oldest state/kingdom/country in south asia with its own unique culture.. and has aborbed other races from as far as central asia...

This is a book about Races living in Sindh/Indus... go through it..

As much as I have seen here in Canada, Pakistani only call themselves Pakistani in private conversation among themselves. Officially they call themselves "Punjabi", "Indian", "Desi" etc.

That is nonsense.

The word 'desi' is never used for 'people' by Pakistani... but always in sense of food... for example desi ghee,desi murghi etc... you will almost never find Pak calling themselves desis or farmi lol.

As for Panjabis... sire... its always the indian sikhs who call themselves Panjabis... and almost never indian.

For reasons they are proud of their panjabiness and have some sort of superiority complex vis other indians.

 

[BringHarmony]

That is nonsense.

The word 'desi' is never used for 'people' by Pakistani... but always in sense of food... for example desi ghee,desi murghi etc... you will almost never find Pak calling themselves desis or farmi lol.

As for Panjabis... sire... its always the indian sikhs who call themselves Panjabis... and almost never indian.

For reasons they are proud of their panjabiness and have some sort of superiority complex vis other indians.

How many years have you live among Canadian Pakistani?

 

[Rafi]

There is no such thing as the indian subcontinent, it's a myth.
And the non resident Pakistanis I have seen and known are ready to throw down if you called them indian.

 

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Pakistan is clearly Eurasian/Arab more-so than Indian.

 

[BringHarmony]

That is nonsense.

The word 'desi' is never used for 'people' by Pakistani... but always in sense of food... for example desi ghee,desi murghi etc... you will almost never find Pak calling themselves desis or farmi lol.

As for Panjabis... sire... its always the indian sikhs who call themselves Panjabis... and almost never indian.

For reasons they are proud of their panjabiness and have some sort of superiority complex vis other indians.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ot-Freshies-quot-For-UK-US-Canadian-etc-Desis

Poster is a Pakistani British.

I was speaking to a few new graduate analysts at work. As someone who has been at the firm for a while, I kind of look out for a few of the new grads we take in, esp those from a Desi background.

The two young guys I was speaking to over lunch today (1 Pakistani, 1 Indian), both came to the UK as University students. They went to two of the better Universities in this country (Cambridge & LSE), but were both taken aback by the attitude of the UK-born desis here.

They both came here with no family or friends, and were happy when they saw fellow desis on campus. People that they could relate too, they thought. They could be more approachable, more understanding, and even maybe more willing to help out a fellow Pakistani/Indian new to the country.

2. Book titled : Desi Liberal, Written by Pakistani Author Waqas Anees describing liberals in Pakistan.

3. https://diaryofadesidebugger.pk/

Dairy of a Desi Debugger. Written by a Pakistani student.

4. https://dikhawa.pk/blogs/parhlo/8-unbelievable-things-you-can-only-expect-from-a-desi-guy

There are too many to list.

You know how I found all of these? Simple!
Google :

desi pakistani site:.pk
desi guy site:.pk
desi author site:.pk

and so on....

The word Desi has been used to describe Pakistani people a lot by Pakistani themselves. Specially in foreign countries.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Absolutely true. On PDF they might claim differant but rarely will you get them calling themselves 'Pakistani'. So form of alternative will be used. This is to do with the abject failure in the state failing to form a identity and consolidated brand.

Except for the Mohajirs rest [94%] don't. And I assume you are a Mohajir who feels the need to foist that descriptor on rest of us. Now if you said most Pakistan's have South Asian heritage - yes I would agree with you.

No every Pakistani that I have met, calls himself Pakistani. The hesitate when you ask where in pakistan, then when u tell them that your pakistani too, they open up.

 

[BringHarmony]

That's BS, I have lived amongst numerous multi-cultural communities in the United States and Canada.

Well, Asians have this 'Inside' / 'Outside' behaviour. Among themselves they have different behaviour and outside they have different. If you look at my first post, you will see I said that in private they call themselves Pakistani but publically, they use all sorts of words : "Desi", "Indian", "Punjabi" and so on...