Mossad, Bush planned, executed 9/11

[gambit]

I am not saying about the motive yet, I just said that because of the burden of debt experienced by your economy (that make US seem impossible to go to highly cost war in Afgan and Iraq)....you have to convince the people to do the war by using something emotionally pain event like 9/11. Al-Qaeda has been used by Bush and His friends without Al-Qaeda leaders knowing about that. Al-Qaeda people and his supporter are just a stupid people...thats why they don't know real politics...and their interpretation about Quran and Hadist are so poor...without proper context and just using literal interpretation...something that is quite normal for low intelligence people (that people should just be a soldier and leave the leadership to the clever one...but since they also have big ego and not good emotional control...they end up being used by their own enemy.)

I believe that if you want to understand the motive...you have to understand the mind and thinking of your Bush Junior and his closed friends. Bush is a very spiritual person (Evangelist believer)...Time magazine has already published an article showing how religious he is, you know that Evangelist believer has always a big supporter of Israel. All of the potential enemies of Israel must be destroyed...and since Iraq and Afghanistan are very divided...it is a very vulnerable target. And the location are also very strategic. Bush has declared that Christian world has won the crusade on the ship when Iraq lost....he made an apology later....but we knows that it is a political apology.

Bush is also oil entrepreneur.....It is something that makes another motive for him and his friends (also working in oil businesses as high ranking official)...but I believe it is not the ultimate motive.

So all this meandering means one thing: You simply cannot support your economics based argument for a 9/11 conspiracy theory.

Real economists, the ones who have jobs working with money, not people on this forum who can barely balance a checkbook, usually of the mentality that war is not good for an economy that is as diverse as the American one. You sounds like someone who belongs in the latter category.

So we have the technically based conspiracy theories believers failed to produce a few reputable construction firms willing to put their names and reputations on the line. Now we have the economics based conspiracy theories believers failing the same test.

 

[jhungary]

I am also laughed with your professionalism to bring that FAKE WMD into UN meeting...

When Osama was in Torabora...your Pentagon leader didn't use full power (only a numbers of NavySeal personnels.....Very Stupid intelligence boss...you even get briefing from them ) to capture Osama as Navyseal team leader has asked it....for so many times....Your Pentagon leader instead use full power to invade Iraq

Just Common sense here.....Use it...dude. You are just the operative...not the ones behind any policy

Lol hitting me where that's hurt.

If nut job conspiracist like you can believe US did 9/11 by themselves, then why can't I believe that there are WMD in Iraq?

You know the only problem I can see is? US had never attack their own soil prior to the alleged 9/11 inside job( unless you are one of those crazies who say US used Planes in Japanese marking to attack Pearl Harbor to suck US in war with Japan) but Iraq did use Chemical Weapon on Iran in 1988, so if I have to pick one to believe in, I would put my money at Iraqi had WMD than US 9/11 inside job

And ok, I'll bite, mr military expert, how many people should we use to capture or kill OBL in torabora? A battalion? An regiment? Or a Division?

Set aside if OBL were indeed in Torabora at that time (you say like you were next to him in Torabora) let's for argument sake, he is. Should we send a whole battalion of 600 soldier in and trying to trap OBL? While you are at it, maybe we should put an international joint task force of 1000 soldier in, or may be we should send the whole division of 10,000 men to capture a HVT.

Dude, did it ever occurs to you the local airfield and base were watched and monitored by Taliban? They will know if we have any large scale operation if we would brought in chopper load and truck load of reinforcement. Sending anything other tan a company may as well tie up a banner on a C-17 and fly around Torabora saying "Osama Bin Laden, we are doing to get you", it's not like OBL will stick around when the goon see a lot of US military movement in the area. Even the dumbest of the dumb knows that

You do know there were 4 Tier 1 team (2 delta, 2 devgru) how many more man do you want?

Plus there were also intel showing OBL were in Pakistan at that moment. So what were you to say if the intel he is in Torabora is correct and he was not in Pakistan, and vice versa.

And dude, you are expecting or assuming one side of intel is always right and disregard all other, even the delta and seals and SBS on scene does not know for sure that OBL is in Torabora when they were back there in 2001. You are telling me he is? Lol then either you are god or you were with OBL in Torabora, so, which one is it?

By the way, you still has not answer me what is the roles of NSA, CIA and FBI.

 

[Indos]

Lol hitting me where that's hurt.

By the way, you still has not answer me what is the roles of NSA, CIA and FBI.

Why do I have to answer your question....for that very basic knowledge ?

 

[PeaceGen]

‘Mossad, Bush planned, executed 9/11’

By Gordon Duff

Recent revelations published on the Press TV website, the New York Post and Veterans Today have changed history.

I fail to see any real revelations here, only Iranian propaganda based on speculation and 3rd-hand or even more vague 'reports'..

But, you know what, I'm going to ignore my common sense for the remainder of my participation in this thread, and say you're right: 9/11 was a US+Israeli inside job, and -my reason for indulging you muslim conspiracy fans- state that false flag operations serve a real military purpose; which is to prevent death by attrition (steadily eating away the strengths and support of your opponents).

That puts the ball in your court, muslim conspiracy fans. I'd love to hear what you have to say about how any false flagging by the US/Israelis on 9/11/2001 (and other times), would in my opinion be the result of the very real muslim aggression against all those who do not worship exactly as they do. I will NOT tolerate you mis-informing the public here about the violent tactics employed by (some!) muslims to bring their own social rules to the rest of the world (who are quite happy worshipping the way they do now, I assure you, and who seem to feel just as strongly (as I *and* militant muslims alike, do) about their own right to defend themselves from oppression...)

 

[jhungary]

Why do I have to answer your question....for that very basic knowledge ?

You don't or you can't?

Lol looking at what you said, I would have bet on you believe it's just another OGA, shame...

 

[GoodBoy]

Anyone who believes this tripe is irredeemably stupid. We just have to hope that they have no children to whom they pass on their stupidity genes

Pakistanis would believe it for sure and pass their genes in their generations.

 

[Indos]

Lol hitting me where that's hurt.

If nut job conspiracist like you can believe US did 9/11 by themselves, then why can't I believe that there are WMD in Iraq?

You know the only problem I can see is? US had never attack their own soil prior to the alleged 9/11 inside job( unless you are one of those crazies who say US used Planes in Japanese marking to attack Pearl Harbor to suck US in war with Japan) but Iraq did use Chemical Weapon on Iran in 1988, so if I have to pick one to believe in, I would put my money at Iraqi had WMD than US 9/11 inside job

And ok, I'll bite, mr military expert, how many people should we use to capture or kill OBL in torabora? A battalion? An regiment? Or a Division?

Set aside if OBL were indeed in Torabora at that time (you say like you were next to him in Torabora) let's for argument sake, he is. Should we send a whole battalion of 600 soldier in and trying to trap OBL? While you are at it, maybe we should put an international joint task force of 1000 soldier in, or may be we should send the whole division of 10,000 men to capture a HVT.

Dude, did it ever occurs to you the local airfield and base were watched and monitored by Taliban? They will know if we have any large scale operation if we would brought in chopper load and truck load of reinforcement. Sending anything other tan a company may as well tie up a banner on a C-17 and fly around Torabora saying "Osama Bin Laden, we are doing to get you", it's not like OBL will stick around when the goon see a lot of US military movement in the area. Even the dumbest of the dumb knows that

You do know there were 4 Tier 1 team (2 delta, 2 devgru) how many more man do you want?

Plus there were also intel showing OBL were in Pakistan at that moment. So what were you to say if the intel he is in Torabora is correct and he was not in Pakistan, and vice versa.

And dude, you are expecting or assuming one side of intel is always right and disregard all other, even the delta and seals and SBS on scene does not know for sure that OBL is in Torabora when they were back there in 2001. You are telling me he is? Lol then either you are god or you were with OBL in Torabora, so, which one is it?

By the way, you still has not answer me what is the roles of NSA, CIA and FBI.

Sorry, just replying until so long, just dont have time arguing with you at that time....
But, since I found that this link can be found on google search engine...I will once again use my time for this..only for little thing,,,I dont want to waste to much of my time :

1. Osama was in Torabora based on Navyseal team leader statement...He said that already....(Please read that official report)
2. US needs to surround the place and it had already used many Pasthun Afgan soldiers to do that.....who can actually sneak Osama out of the Torabora and escort him into Pakistan safely...(Why dont use your own troops to do that, they already know that there were US and Pasthun soldiers present looking and cornering Osama at that time)
3. Big troops is only to surround the place so Osama can not run, where in reality conducted by Afghan pastun troops that has some close relation with Osama.

The Point is: It is not a secret operation anymore for Osama troops about your operation.....and Pentagon were also so reluctant to bomb Torabora that makes Navy Seal Commander was being threaten by Pentagon high ranking official to be fired /or taken out from current operation because he asked it many times...and it is so suspicious that Pentagon feel annoyed because of that...since your official target operation is Osama, so why dont focus and use all the power to do that and support what ever field commander asked...particularly when they knew already the target was sick and cornered already. It was then bombed but too late...(If I am not mistaken the bombing happened after the operation leader bypassing Pentagon command to have that bomber plane bomb Torabora....not really official command)

Oya....we also have a body like NSA as well in Indonesia....

 

[LordTyrannus]

Mossad, Bush planned, executed 9/11

LOL even the title is funny. BUSH PLANNED...hahaha...That moron nearly died because he did choke on a cookie.

Please people if you want to make a conspiracy theorie than do some research and put a little effort in it. A little bit of logic.

 

[Indos]

So all this meandering means one thing: You simply cannot support your economics based argument for a 9/11 conspiracy theory.

Real economists, the ones who have jobs working with money, not people on this forum who can barely balance a checkbook, usually of the mentality that war is not good for an economy that is as diverse as the American one. You sounds like someone who belongs in the latter category.

So we have the technically based conspiracy theories believers failed to produce a few reputable construction firms willing to put their names and reputations on the line. Now we have the economics based conspiracy theories believers failing the same test.

Economic problems in US is so simple to understand by people like me, your economist is just divided by ideology not a rational thingking anymore. I dont want to talk about economy which is not your competency.

Talking about the motive, you seems not to understand.....What I said is that The motive is 80 % Religious.....not economic. I put economics argument just to make it clear that Bush was in the not good position to bring US into another war (because economy was bad-you need to lower interest rate to pump your economy at that time-even though it was not as worst as after 2008).....so that he has to make something dramatic...like 9/11. He planned it by using stupid Al-Qaeda agenda. He made Al-Qaeda get into US easier. Good coincident for Bush and his bloody team that Al-Qaeda wanted to do it. Bush doesnt Plan it....But he knows The Plan and make it easier to realize. So sad you as US citizen doesnt understand this.

 

[Falcon29]

9/11 could have been easily avoided, anybody who says otherwise deserves to be put behind bars for life for justifying two wars that killed over a million innocent civilians brutally.

 

[gambit]

Economic problems in US is so simple to understand by people like me, your economist is just divided by ideology not a rational thingking anymore. I dont want to talk about economy which is not your competency.

Talking about the motive, you seems not to understand.....What I said is that The motive is 80 % Religious.....not economic. I put economics argument just to make it clear that Bush was in the not good position to bring US into another war (because economy was bad-you need to lower interest rate to pump your economy at that time-even though it was not as worst as after 2008).....so that he has to make something dramatic...like 9/11. He planned it by using stupid Al-Qaeda agenda. He made Al-Qaeda get into US easier. Good coincident for Bush and his bloody team that Al-Qaeda wanted to do it. Bush doesnt Plan it....But he knows The Plan and make it easier to realize. So sad you as US citizen doesnt understand this.

If this is true, then every country would be at war -- constantly -- since war and assorted disasters would serve as economic stimulus.

Parable of the broken window - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Amazing the length of absurdities people will swallow. I hope that your country's top economists thinks like you do. It will be so much easier for US to remain on top.

 

[MastanKhan]

Sorry, just replying until so long, just dont have time arguing with you at that time....
But, since I found that this link can be found on google search engine...I will once again use my time for this..only for little thing,,,I dont want to waste to much of my time :

1. Osama was in Torabora based on Navyseal team leader statement...He said that already....(Please read that official report)
2. US needs to surround the place and it had already used many Pasthun Afgan soldiers to do that.....who can actually sneak Osama out of the Torabora and escort him into Pakistan safely...(Why dont use your own troops to do that, they already know that there were US and Pasthun soldiers present looking and cornering Osama at that time)
3. Big troops is only to surround the place so Osama can not run, where in reality conducted by Afghan pastun troops that has some close relation with Osama.

The Point is: It is not a secret operation anymore for Osama troops about your operation.....and Pentagon were also so reluctant to bomb Torabora that makes Navy Seal Commander was being threaten by Pentagon high ranking official to be fired /or taken out from current operation because he asked it many times...and it is so suspicious that Pentagon feel annoyed because of that...since your official target operation is Osama, so why dont focus and use all the power to do that and support what ever field commander asked...particularly when they knew already the target was sick and cornered already. It was then bombed but too late...(If I am not mistaken the bombing happened after the operation leader bypassing Pentagon command to have that bomber plane bomb Torabora....not really official command)

Oya....we also have a body like NSA as well in Indonesia....

Hi,

To attach 9/11 with the escape of OBL at tora bora is far fethced. U S does not attack its own assets on its land like that at such a massive scale.

What happened at tora bora was the incompetence of the worst kind. OBL was let to escape on purpose---so that the war could continue---. This war---after the first few days---was hijacked and taken over by the defence contractors. It just became a war for money and money alone.

When a retd sergeant could make $200000 + a year with no taxes and a colonel retd could make in the range $300000 a year tax free, when they joined private contractors---the direction and ideology of the war changed directions.

Just for example---a seargenyt makes around $48000 to 60000 a year on active duty---a col around 80--90k a year.

I blame the pakistani for not seeing thru the ruse---the moment they saw the US let OBL escape at tora bora---they should have corralled their wagons against al qaeda---. They should have taken out OBL and his cohorts right then and there and executed him.

Pakistanis should have understood that under those circumstances---the longer OBL lived---the more problems pakistan will have.

Simply put---the day of his escape at Tora Bora---OBL became from a benign tumor to a malignant cancerous growth for pakistan.

Incidently---as it was not related to any corruption and bribe---thus the pakistani minds did not understand the significance of the scenario---. My poor simple minded pakistani brethren were just simply clueless to this deceit of world class.

 

[Indos]

If this is true, then every country would be at war -- constantly -- since war and assorted disasters would serve as economic stimulus.

Parable of the broken window - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Amazing the length of absurdities people will swallow. I hope that your country's top economists thinks like you do. It will be so much easier for US to remain on top.

1. War Motive: Still you dont get my point or just try to derail my logic for hiding the truth...since when I said a war is an economic stimulus ???
I just said because your economy was not good so you need stronger reason to initiate any war (the real motive is personal for satisfying only Bush and his friends)

2. Economic policy is actually so simple, corrupt politician that make it seems so extremely complex. It makes any economist cannot do what they must do. Your nation economic policy is being trapped by Republican (forcing big military posture where your economy cant afford anymore and making less tax where you actually need more money to pay your gigantic debt).

 

[gambit]

1. War Motive: Still you dont get my point or just try to derail my logic for hiding the truth...since when I said a war is an economic stimulus ???
I just said because your economy was not good so you need stronger reason to initiate any war (the real motive is personal for satisfying only Bush and his friends)

2. Economic policy is actually so simple, corrupt politician that make it seems so extremely complex. It makes any economist cannot do what they must do. Your nation economic policy is being trapped by Republican (forcing big military posture where your economy cannt afford anymore and making less tax where you actually need more money to pay your gigantic debt)

You are essentially saying that B43 need to have an economic stimulus and Al-Qaeda need to attack US. There may be two different motives and two different outcomes, but both satisfied their respective needs. Ergo: War is an economic stimulus without the need for you to explicitly say so.

As for our military budget, if you cannot find the US defense budget in comparison to other US social programs, then there is no hope for you as an aspiring economists, as you pointed out economics is not my competency. Nevertheless, I hope whatever sorry country you are from, all economists thinks like you do.

 

[MastanKhan]

1. War Motive: Still you dont get my point or just try to derail my logic for hiding the truth...since when I said a war is an economic stimulus ???
I just said because your economy was not good so you need stronger reason to initiate any war (the real motive is personal for satisfying only Bush and his friends)

2. Economic policy is actually so simple, corrupt politician that make it seems so extremely complex. It makes any economist cannot do what they must do. Your nation economic policy is being trapped by Republican (forcing big military posture where your economy cant afford anymore and making less tax where you actually need more money to pay your gigantic debt).

Hi,

You are right on the subject---war is an economic stimulus for the U S economy---. It is true that it is not a stimulus for every country---but for the u s defence contractors---it was a god given oppurtunity----like the first gulf war was god given to america---so was the afghan invasion a gift from the god's.

You cannot even imagine in the wildest of your dreams how the defence contractors cherished the attacks on twin towers---. The economy in 2000, 2001 was stagnant---and then it took off like a rocket in 2002 till it crashed in 2008. The defence industry did not miss beat even during recession.

Defence industry has made un-imaginable money---the sales of weapons alone in the u s has sky rocketed----. Every few days some nut heads comes uo with the idea of foreign invasion of the u s and assault type rifles and ammo flies off the shelf like hot cakes----.