Mig 35 for Iraq

[madmusti]

No match against the F-35 !!!

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

MIG-35 is hardly anything but sexed up Mig-29 [A historic failure]. Buy more F-16s instead.

A historic failure against airforces with monkey models minus BVR,ECM, awacs and poor pilots.
When luftwaffe used east german migs in exercises it cleaned NATO clocks.
F-16 would certainly be an excellent option particularly in BVR,but as our iraqi friend mentioned and as a pakistani u would know only too well..strings.And also price.
With 3d TVC,Good radar and superb manuevrability mig-35 is excellent fighter for its price.

Its better then the F16 block 52 which Iraq is receiving, also they will supply BVR missiles and not restrict spare parts or weaponry, at least unlike the US they have a strong record in supplying countries whenever they need it. Iraq learned this during the embargo.
But why not SU 30 as multi role fighter ? which would be better.

From this we can see that the Rafale would be better, only it will most likely bring restrictions to Iraq as France is close to the US.
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Though this still does not fill the need for fighter jets, there is a need for heavier jets like the SU 30 or SU 35.

Heavy fighters are good for countries needing long range strike missions or large countries that need to cover lot of space like india or china.Iraq is compartively smaller and has no distant enemies needed for high endurance strike missions requirement.

 

[Doritos11]

A historic failure against airforces with monkey models minus BVR,ECM, awacs and poor pilots.
When luftwaffe used east german migs in exercises it cleaned NATO clocks.
F-16 would certainly be an excellent option particularly in BVR,but as our iraqi friend mentioned and as a pakistani u would know only too well..strings.And also price.
With 3d TVC,Good radar and superb manuevrability mig-35 is excellent fighter for its price.



Heavy fighters are good for countries needing long range strike missions or large countries that need to cover lot of space like india or china.Iraq is compartively smaller and has no distant enemies needed for high endurance strike missions requirement.

Sure but if you look at the map and our location, look at our neighbours and what is happening you would understand there is a need for a powerfull air force, heavy fighters can be usefull making it unneeded to acquire a large number of light multirole jets.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Sure but if you look at the map and our location, look at our neighbours and what is happening you would understand there is a need for a powerfull air force, heavy fighters can be usefull making it unneeded to acquire a large number of light multirole jets.

But u don't have depth,for small airspace mig-35 can do just about everything a heavy fighter can.Heavy fighter will also cost much much more and more maintainence.For larger countries like india,china we need heavy fighters as they can fly from one end of country to other in long endurance missions.In iraq a medium aircraft can easily do this.It can do most roles ,except deep strike role in enemy territory for which u need heavy fighter.

 

[Doritos11]

But u don't have depth,for small airspace mig-35 can do just about everything a heavy fighter can.Heavy fighter will also cost much much more and more maintainence.For larger countries like india,china we need heavy fighters as they can fly from one end of country to other in long endurance missions.In iraq a medium aircraft can easily do this.It can do most roles ,except deep strike role in enemy territory for which u need heavy fighter.

But we need the right jets to deter neighbours, our neighours air forces are quite large.

36 F16
100 mig 35

I doubt this is sufficient. ^^

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

But we need the right jets to deter neighbours, our neighours air forces are quite large.

36 F16
100 mig 35

I doubt this is sufficient. ^^

That'll deter most regional air forces mate.But defensively only.
U'll need good pilot training[150+ hrs/yr].Take part in exercises.And don't get too many types,will create logistics nightmare.
Try to add force multipliers instead like maybe an AWACS from russia or china.
Also create a modern Air defnce network with state of the art sams to complement ur air force.
Iraq has the oil so u got the money.
We incidentally are doubling our oil exports from iraq.Iraq is probably our biggest oil supplier now.

 

[Cat12345]

But u don't have depth,for small airspace mig-35 can do just about everything a heavy fighter can.Heavy fighter will also cost much much more and more maintainence.For larger countries like india,china we need heavy fighters as they can fly from one end of country to other in long endurance missions.In iraq a medium aircraft can easily do this.It can do most roles ,except deep strike role in enemy territory for which u need heavy fighter.

There's no such thing as more maintenance cost for $100m. You need a low cost aircraft and low maintenance objectives. If you want a heavy A2G striker choose the F-15E for a high 10,000ft interdiction striker. It has been proven with great A2G strike ability. But it's going to cost the hours of flight $70,000 for each flight hour.

Or your Indian government should've picked the Super Hornet instead. It's A2A capable just like the SU-30MKI or SU series. Also able to due the heavy strike ability too. It's #1 thing is to survive a threat and survive a battle against enemy aircraft. Super Hornet would've be a great choice for India if they hadn't picked the SU-30MKI. It's low cost $60m would make the Indian government buy about 100-200 SH in a defense fleet. Has low maintenance and flight cost. It's able to get the job done also either air superiority, striking, tanking.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

There's no such thing as more maintenance cost for $100m. You need a low cost aircraft and low maintenance objectives. If you want a heavy A2G striker choose the F-15E for a high 10,000ft interdiction striker. It has been proven with great A2G strike ability. But it's going to cost the hours of flight $70,000 for each flight hour.

Or your Indian government should've picked the Super Hornet instead. It's A2A capable just like the SU-30MKI or SU series. Also able to due the heavy strike ability too. It's #1 thing is to survive a threat and survive a battle against enemy aircraft. Super Hornet would've be a great choice for India if they hadn't picked the SU-30MKI. It's low cost $60m would make the Indian government buy about 100-200 SH in a defense fleet. Has low maintenance and flight cost. It's able to get the job done also either air superiority, striking, tanking.

Hornet would have been great IF we didn't have MKI.
But rafale proved newer and better.Though cost is higher.

 

[Cat12345]

Hornet would have been great IF we didn't have MKI.
But rafale proved newer and better.Though cost is higher.

Rafale is a small better striker than the Hornet. It has better combat radius 1,000+mi on penetration mission compared to the Hornet 390mi. Although if Boeing had made the option for a CFT and EPE while talking to the Indian ministers they would've selected the Hornet. I doubt they will pick a new fighter since you guys have MKI. Rafale costs more actually. Doesn't the Indian Navy want a Mig-29K replacement?

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

No Mig-35 is a 4++ Gen. fighter. F-35 is a 5th Gen with great systems. F-35's advantage is beyond visual range only. Mig-35 would kick the F-35's but in a dogfight

Only a desperate fanboy will compare the F-35 to the " 4++ Gen MiG-35 " or even the PAK-FA. Operational desert storm had proven how crappy some Aircrafts are, not to mention the Kosovo war ..

Hornet would have been great IF we didn't have MKI.
But rafale proved newer and better.Though cost is higher.

I was thrilled when India announced that it will go after the Rafael buddy Congrats

 

[Cat12345]

Only a desperate fanboy will compare the F-35 to the " 4++ Gen MiG-35 " or even the PAK-FA. Operational desert storm had proven how crappy some Aircrafts are, not to mention the Kosovo war

Dude i know about the F-35 and it's advantages is BVR only

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

Dude i know about the F-35 and it's advantages is BVR only

Not its stealthiness?

 

[Mosamania]

Not its stealthiness?

/Facepalm


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[Kompromat]

@ptldM3

Mig-29 is a historic failure, as every single time it has faced an F series, it has gone back to what it really is "a pile of junk metal."

Iraqis are better off with getting more vipers instead of buying MIG-35, which no one else is willing to take.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

/Facepalm
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trolling Trolololololololollololololololo.

Suffice to say that Germany gave them away to the Polish.

@ptldM3

Mig-29 is a historic failure, as every single time it has faced an F series, it has gone back to what it really is "a pile of junk metal."

Iraqis are better off with getting more vipers instead of buying MIG-35, which no one else is willing to take.