Mig 29 bought for BAF?

[Mani2020]

I think the three realistic and most suited options for Bangladesh will be

Jf-17
Gripen
F-16

In case of f-16 bangladesh can also go for used ones, while in case of jf-17 China can provide soft loan facility also as the BAF is already using quite alot Chinese equipment as well as F-7 so it will be helpful for future matters , also not only tech wise but also number wise it can benefit BAF as you can get 3 in price of 1 new f-16 ...

 

[kalu_miah]

^^We can't afford Western fighters. Let alone being offered. An Eurofighter Typhoon will cost over $100 million a pop. And the F-35 is an expensive flying bathtub.

ATD-X will never leave the drawing board.

Don't know about the KF-X.

Instead of getting 12-20 fighters, we would be better off getting 5-6 f35. This will give us an overwhelming edge over the Burmese, regardless of what kind of Chinese or Russian planes they get.

And for KF-X, we can team up with our brother nation Indonesia and become a future customer.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

What I am saying is that instead of getting 12-20 fighters, we would be better off getting 5-6 f35. This will give us an overwhelming edge over the Burmese, regardless of what kind of Chinese or Russian planes they get.

Those 5-6 f-35s will cost you more than 2 billion USDs!

 

[Whazzup]

What I am saying is that instead of getting 12-20 fighters, we would be better off getting 5-6 f35. This will give us an overwhelming edge over the Burmese, regardless of what kind of Chinese or Russian planes they get.

You are just counting the purchasing cost of these planes but if you'll keep the maintainance the cost of F35 over a period of 30 years will gonna increase ten foldes compared to that of others.

 

[Mani2020]

What I am saying is that instead of getting 12-20 fighters, we would be better off getting 5-6 f35. This will give us an overwhelming edge over the Burmese, regardless of what kind of Chinese or Russian planes they get.

Its not only the acquiring cost but the maintenance cost as well , do you think it will be rational to build the whole infrastructure and for the purpose spend billions just for the sake of 5-6 fighters also add to that the other costs associated with such a high tech bird

And if one crashes there goes the millions bucks down the drain

Above all do you think US will ever allow F-35 sales to Bangladesh? no not in a thousand years

 

[kalu_miah]

Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II procurement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Potential exports

Belgium - In 2009 Belgium suggested that they might buy some F-35s in the 2020s.[156]
Brazil - The Brazilian Air Force recently has added the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter to the list of aircraft under consideration for its relaunched new fighter procurement, called F-X2. The F-35 replaces the F-16, which was in contention for the previous F-X BR program, shelved in 2003 and finally abandoned in 2006.[157][158][159] Lockheed Martin did not offer the F-35 and instead bid the F-16BR in 2008.[160]
Finland - The Finnish Air Force has expressed its interest in the F-35, and other "advanced aircraft", as the replacement for its F-18C Hornets. An eventual purchase decision would be taken around 2015.[161]
Greece - Lockheed Martin is offering the F-35 to Greece's Hellenic Air Force as a replacement for F-4E Peace Icarus 2000 and F-16C/D Block 30 aircraft.[162]
India - The F-35 is a possible future offer to the Indian Air Force as of July 2007. This has been interpreted as part of a tactic to sell the F-16 as a multirole fighter to the IAF, as part of its competition to acquire 126 new fighters.[163] Lockheed Martin formally expressed its interest to sell F-35s to India.[164] It is also known that the Indian Navy has shown interest in buying the F-35B.[165] Lockheed Martin has offered ‘B’and ‘C’ versions of the F-35 fighters aircraft to meet Indian Navy’s requirements for carrier-based combat aircraft.[166] Ashton Carter has said that it is up to the Indians to decide if they wanted to be part of the program.[167] Indian officials have rejected this offer because it is cheaper for them to spend $5.5 billion to develop the Sukhoi/HAL FGFA and then buy these aircraft for $100 million each than it would be to buy F-35s, which are currently being sold for $92 million each.[168] In 2011 after the F-16 was eliminated from the Indian competition, Lockheed Martin moved again to offer the F-35. The potential sale is being studied by the US Department of Defense at the request of the Senate Armed Services Committee.[169] However the United States has yet to provide India with the exact details needed for sea basing of the fighter.[170]
Republic of China - Taiwan has requested to buy the F-35 from the US. However this has been rejected by the US in fear of a critical response from China. In March 2009 Taiwan again was looking to buy U.S. fifth-generation fighter jets featuring stealth and vertical takeoff capabilities.[171] However, in September 2011, during a visit to the US, the Deputy Minister of National Defense of Taiwan, confirmed that while the country was busy upgrading its current F-16s it was still also looking to procure a next-generation aircraft such as the F-35. This received the usual critical response from China.[172]
Romania - The Romanian Ministry of Defense has expressed interest in buying the F-35 for its air force sometime after 2020.[173]
South Korea - South Korea is considering the F-35 amongst several other competitors for the third stage of its F-X program.[174][175] South Korean officials have said that the F-35 would only be available after 2018, but Steve O'Bryan, Lockheed's vice president for F-35 business development has said that Lockheed can deliver the F-35 to South Korea by 2016.[176][dead link] Some South Korean Air Force officers have considered possible missions for the stealth fighter such as surprise raids deep into nuclear armed North Korea.[177] Lockheed has refused to allow South Korean pilots access to the aircraft to test it prior to the selection.[178] However the simulation tests to be used are more extensive that the processes used by other customers such as Israel and Japan.[179]
Spain - The Spanish Navy ship Juan Carlos I (L61) is adapted to carry JSF and AV-8B Harrier.[180] JSF Program Executive Officer, Air Force Major General Charles Davis, said in 2008 that discussions had been held with Spain, which could eventually lead to the F-35B replacing the Spanish Navy’s EAV-8B Harrier fleet. Another future customers for the F-35B is Italy, which also operates the Harrier II.[181]
UAE - The United Arab Emirates has requested information about a possible sale of F-35s, however the United States has delayed for months on the response.[182][183]
Saudi Arabia - The Saudi Defence Ministry is said to be keeping all the options open to buy more fighter jets, including notably the Boeing F-15 Silent Eagle and the Lockheed Martin F-35 JSF (Joint Strike Fighter).[184]

On 20 December 2011 the Japanese Government announced that it intended to purchase 42 F-35s for approximately US$ 8 billion, with initial delivery to begin in 2016 to replace its existing F-4 Phantom II aircraft.[153] In order to fully participate in the program, the Japanese government is loosening their weapons export ban.[154] May 2012, a notification to Congress, the US Defense Security Cooperation Agency outlined the details of the proposed Foreign Military Sales (FMS) deal, sale of 42 Lockheed Martin F-35A fighter aircraft to Japan at $10 billion.[155]

 

[kalu_miah]

Those 5-6 f-35s will cost you more than 2 billion USDs!

About 1.2 to 1.4 billion

I think the three realistic and most suited options for Bangladesh will be

Jf-17
Gripen
F-16

In case of f-16 bangladesh can also go for used ones, while in case of jf-17 China can provide soft loan facility also as the BAF is already using quite alot Chinese equipment as well as F-7 so it will be helpful for future matters , also not only tech wise but also number wise it can benefit BAF as you can get 3 in price of 1 new f-16 ...

Used f16's should be our choice for support aircraft.

 

[kalu_miah]

Its not only the acquiring cost but the maintenance cost as well , do you think it will be rational to build the whole infrastructure and for the purpose spend billions just for the sake of 5-6 fighters also add to that the other costs associated with such a high tech bird

And if one crashes there goes the millions bucks down the drain

Above all do you think US will ever allow F-35 sales to Bangladesh? no not in a thousand years

Good points, I don't know the political part with the US, they may not allow sale of f35 or they may, depending on how much importance they put on their so-called "Asian Pivot" and any future role of Bangladesh in it.

 

[alaungphaya]

So some woman makes some glib and unsubstantiated remark and you boys are already onto F-22's and F-35's and overwhelming advantages over the Burmese.

 

[Roybot]

So some woman makes some glib and unsubstantiated remark and you boys are already onto F-22's and F-35's and overwhelming advantages over the Burmese.

Bangladeshis can shoot Eurofighter down with pistols. Don't underestimate them.

 

[kalu_miah]

Here is another cheaper Korean alternative FA50, which is similar to f16, a trainer converted to a fighter:

Korea’s T-50 Family Spreads Its Wings
S. Korea to mass-produce armed version of trainer jet starting in 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAI_T-50_Golden_Eagle
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forum...Air-Force-buying-12-T-A-50-G-Eagle-from-SOKOR

Used f16's are $10-15 million each, but maintenance is very expensive. Brand new FA50's will be cheaper to maintain and will probably have better longer range radar and avionics.

 

[Luftwaffe]

I hope you are quoting some old rate. Is it still available at the price you quoted here????

The Rates are +/- baseline Variants...The rate does not include over the life time cost but it should be much lesser, SU-35 is far better standards of manufacturing then the previous flanker-migs. That makes it stand out as a worthy platform to be acquired.

BAF loses nothing IF russians offer it on softloans and re-scheduling of loans-debt is not a big problem.

There is another aircraft Chinese J-15 Flying Shark, which is currently going under trials with Chinese Engine but IF BAF opts to acquire it will have to lose russian friendship or the other way is to release a tender listing certain aircrafts including J-15 that could make russians offer SU-35 at reasonable rate.

People...It has been discussed to death in related Threads.

BAF is aiming for russian Advance Trainers [YAK-130/131 dual use light Attack variant] and Chinese F-7BGI [2012-2013] as a Stop Gap that will Fly till 2025 likely due to new Airframes. The news coming out is current Mig-29 might be refurb-upgraded estimated around $70M that most likely soft loans.

Anything new BAF has to decide now and order may commenced 2017+; IN 2017 SU-35/J-15/J-10B are the only way forward as Next Gen Fighter Program for BAF.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

About 1.2 to 1.4 billion.

Your talking about flyaway costs... what abt the infra,training,parts? etc

 

[Luftwaffe]

Used f16's are $10-15 million each, but maintenance is very expensive. Brand new FA50's will be cheaper to maintain and will probably have better longer range radar and avionics.

F-16 Blk 40/42 that are in Excess Storage are in really good shape but they come with a Cost around $40M+ baseline [not 10M-15M], Just look at PAF F-16 procurement you'll understand the huge costs.

Consider T-50 Golden Eagle all weather attack variant a spinoff limited capability F-16 costs $30M baseline and is under development where as JFT under $25M offer more than what T-50 would offer at later stages due to restrictions imposed by US, why would you want to procure T-50GE when even YAK-130/131/135 offers you the same.

Even israelis rejected T-50 both advance trainer and the proposed T-50 attack variant, israelis are known to scrutinize platform very carefully professionally.

 

[Avisheik]

Your talking about flyaway costs... what abt the infra,training,parts? etc

And the funny part is our annual defence budget is around 1.2 billion and we do not have any military conflicts with either of the two nations we border.

We only have 8 4th generation planes and they are talking about buying 5th generation planes