Message for PM of India: Avoid cosying up to Iran

[PteX]

First of all, who cares what Trita Parsi thinks? I could bring many more credable examples of what famous Jews like Noam Chomsky or Norman Finkelstein believe.



Care to elaborate on that?

You are no better than the Wahhabis in the sense that you are at their level. You are the Shia version of Wahhabis, supporting and funding terrorism worldwide while preaching "peace". The Ayatollah would make any Wahhabi proud.

 

[Shahin Vatani]

You are no better than the Wahhabis in the sense that you are at their level. You are the Shia version of Wahhabis, supporting and funding terrorism worldwide while preaching "peace". The Ayatollah would make any Wahhabi proud.

Terrorists, huh? So have Hezbollah flown a plane into an Israeli building that I am not aware of? Or done suicide bombings in Israeli cities? I don't think so. Real terrorists are those who killed our scientists, I think you are well acquainted with them.

 

[PteX]

Terrorists, huh? So have Hezbollah flown a plane into an Israeli building that I am not aware of? Or done suicide bombings in Israeli cities? I don't think so. Real terrorists are those who killed our scientists, I think you are well acquainted with them.

Do you have any idea how many dozens of terrorists attacks are linked to Hezbollah? From the Argentina Israeli Embassy bombing to the Turkish bombings just last year. Not to mention this year's Bulgarian bombing against Israeli civilians.

No, obviously you don't. You are blissfully ignorant.

There is no hope for Iran.

 

[Hyperion]

Do you have any idea how many dozens of terrorists attacks are linked to Hezbollah? From the Argentina Israeli Embassy bombing to the Turkish bombings just last year. Not to mention this year's Bulgarian bombing against Israeli civilians.

No, obviously you don't. You are blissfully ignorant.

Dude, you're a one man army. I swear, if there were a way to award a medal, I'd nominate you for one!

 

[Shahin Vatani]

Do you have any idea how many dozens of terrorists attacks are linked to Hezbollah? From the Argentina Israeli Embassy bombing to the Turkish bombings just last year. Not to mention this year's Bulgarian bombing against Israeli civilians.

No, obviously you don't. You are blissfully ignorant.

Linked, wow so conclusive and definitive. I can link many events to many different groups, doesn't mean it is true. Truth of the matter is Israel has many enemies in the world who would be likely to do these attacks. Just convenient for Israel to blame them on Iran/Hezbollah and further your war drums against us.

For example, just minutes after the Bulgaria bombings, Netanyahu had already blamed Iran! How much more obvious could you get, no intel gathering required with this war monger. Any tragedy that happens against Israel, he knows exactly who to blame it on.

 

[PteX]

Linked, wow so conclusive and definitive. I can link many events to many different groups, doesn't mean it is true. Truth of the matter is Israel has many enemies in the world who would be likely to do these attacks. Just convenient for Israel to blame them on Iran/Hezbollah and further your war drums against us.

For example, just minutes after the Bulgaria bombings, Netanyahu had already blamed Iran! How much more obvious could you get, no intel gathering required with this war monger. Any tragedy that happens against Israel, he knows exactly who to blame it on.

I'm certain if Israel had Ahmadinejad himself admit that this was an Iranian terror attack using Hezbollah, for which they are known for, there would be thousands of your like who would deny it as a Zionist conspiracy.

As an Arab once told me, "No matter what happens, even if peace is achieved, hating Israel is in our blood and genes, we cannot stop it and we do not want to stop it".

I understand.

 

[Shahin Vatani]

I'm certain if Israel had Ahmadinejad himself admit that this was an Iranian terror attack using Hezbollah, for which they are known for, there would be thousands of your like who would deny it as a Zionist conspiracy.

As an Arab once told me, "No matter what happens, even if peace is achieved, hating Israel is in our blood and genes, we cannot stop it and we do not want to stop it".

I understand.

When did I use those words "Zionist conspiracy"? Please also show me any anti-semetic posts that I have made on this forum. I am not Arab, so what that guy told you doesn't apply to me. Just because you are losing the debate, don't try to play the emotion card. You are like the little boy who cried wolf.

 

[PteX]

When did I use those words "Zionist conspiracy"? Please also show me any anti-semetic posts that I have made on this forum. I am not Arab, so what that guy told you doesn't apply to me. Just because you are losing the debate, don't try to play the emotion card. You are like the little boy who cried wolf.

It is not emotion, rather it is hard logic. You see, it is important to understand a person's way of thinking. If he is a capable of accepting reality or if it is far too painful for them to alter their selective reality.

And when i tell you something that does not coincide with your reality, you chose to ignore it utterly.

Now, i understand your way of thinking and i appreciate the debate we've been having. Everything you say is contrary to common knowledge about this conflict.

You will eventually find out the truth.

 

[Shahin Vatani]

It is not emotion, rather it is hard logic. You see, it is important to understand a person's way of thinking. If he is a capable of accepting reality or if it is far too painful for them to alter their selective reality.

And when i tell you something that does not coincide with your reality, you chose to ignore it utterly.

Now, i understand your way of thinking and i appreciate the debate we've been having. Everything you say is contrary to common knowledge about this conflict.

You will eventually find out the truth.

Just because I disagree with you, and have provided evidence for my disagreement, you automatically assume something of me. The joke that all Israelis cry anti-semite when you disagree with them is looking more truthful...

Regarding the painful comment, I couldn't care less about your struggles with Arabs. In fact I hope you take over whole of Jordan and Saudi, the neighbourhood would be better off for it.

Now if you want reality I will be honest with you. It was a mistake to come out against Israel after the revolution. However now Israel is making the bigger mistakes by continuously trying to start a war with us.

 

[Takaavar]

Iran's Supreme Ayatollah just called today to destroy Israel and that Israel has no right to exist.

Iran's Supreme Ayatollah never called to "destroy Israel".
The last time I checked that was your Rabbi who called to pray for Iran's destruction.

 

[PteX]

Just because I disagree with you, and have provided evidence for my disagreement, you automatically assume something of me. The joke that all Israelis cry anti-semite when you disagree with them is looking more truthful...

Regarding the painful comment, I couldn't care less about your struggles with Arabs. In fact I hope you take over whole of Jordan and Saudi, the neighbourhood would be better off for it.

Now if you want reality I will be honest with you. It was a mistake to come out against Israel after the revolution. However now Israel is making the bigger mistakes by continuously trying to start a war with us.

So you finally admit that it was Iran that came out against Israel and not the other way around? Well, it is too late now.

Your country is attempting to acquire Nuclear weapons while funding terrorism against Israel which makes you an enemy. Worse enemy than any Arab nation.

You cannot go unpunished, even if Persians toppled this regime in Iran, they will have to be sent to hell by Israel.

 

[Shahin Vatani]

So you finally admit that it was Iran that came out against Israel and not the other way around? Well, it is too late now.

Your country is attempting to acquire Nuclear weapons while funding terrorism against Israel which makes you an enemy. Worse enemy than any Arab nation.

You cannot go unpunished, even if Persians toppled this regime in Iran, they will have to be sent to hell by Israel.

We finally agree on something... It is too late, you are the one saying we will be future allies. I am saying it will never happen, that ship has long sailed.

 

[Takaavar]

Look how these bastards are distorting the statements. Here's that part of the speech which is about Israel:

Our standpoint is that Palestine belongs to the Palestinians and that continuing its occupation is a great and intolerable injustice and a major threat to global peace and security. All solutions suggested and followed up by the Westerners and their affiliates for “resolving the problem of Palestine” have been wrong and unsuccessful, and it will remain so in the future. We have put forth a just and entirely democratic solution. All the Palestinians – both the current citizens of Palestine and those who have been forced to immigrate to other countries but have preserved their Palestinian identity, including Muslims, Christians and Jews – should take part in a carefully supervised and confidence-building referendum and chose the political system of their country, and all the Palestinians who have suffered from years of exile should return to their country and take part in this referendum and then help draft a Constitution and hold elections. Peace will then be established.

Khamenei.ir - Supreme Leader’s Inaugural Speech at the 16th Non-Aligned Summit

The thread is based on a bullshit news and should be locked.

You're mistaken, Spark. Israel never called for Iran's destruction and no sane person would call for another country's destruction.

Stop lying. Iran never said Israel as a country should be destroyed and that crap. Iran never threatened Israel for military actions. While Israel has done so.

 

[Paan Singh]

The Nonaligned Movement has historically been seen as something of a talk fest—high on statements, missing in action and lacking in cohesion.

This week’s summit in Tehran, while mostly living up to the stereotype, was nevertheless important because of what was not said.

Of the 120 member states, only twenty-nine sent their heads of government to Iran. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad chose a reasonably befuddled topic as the theme of the summit—”Lasting peace through joint global governance”—as if either of those will ever materialize. But in spite of one expensive exercise in whispering sweet nothings, one message was being conveyed loud and clear—and that was to the United States by India.

India had a whole host of excuses to avoid attending this summit or at least downgrade its participation. For starters, Iran’s hand has now been definitively traced to a bomb attack on an Israeli diplomat in New Delhi earlier this year. India also has the largest Bahá’í population in the world, a faith that is viciously persecuted by the Iranian ayatollahs. Added to this is a very public American attempt to isolate Iran economically and diplomatically. Nevertheless, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh attended the Nonaligned Movement Summit in person.

Singh’s speech in Tehran didn’t convey the significance of his presence. Terrorism, human rights and nuclear proliferation found only cursory mention in his address, almost as if they were esoteric concepts. The real message was not in the message but in the act.

In recent months, India has dramatically reduced its petroleum imports from Iran. Oil buys are down 40 percent as a result of the embargo against the Islamic republic which Western nations suspect is developing a nuclear weapons capacity. This has earned India considerable praise from Washington DC and a reprieve from the threat of Western sanctions.

In February, the Atlantic Sentinel predicted that India would not, in fact, join the Western boycott for domestic political reasons. And as it turns out, the “dramatic drop” in Indian oil imports is really more of a blip in response to the sanctions.

Almost on cue a day before the prime minister left for Iran, “government sources” told the Press Trust of India that the reduction in Iranian oil buys was a temporary phenomenon, a result of international insurance implementing Western sanctions.

Iran and India are trying to find ways to circumvent the boycott. Mostly this rests on allowing Iranian banks to open branches in India and finding alternatives to the SWIFT interbank code transfers which have been rescinded for Iran.

The massive power outages that paralyzed India last month, combined with rampant energy price driven inflation, give the government a powerful argument to resist American pressure. But India isn’t just dependent on Iranian oil imports; Iran is its only access to the battleground of Afghanistan, hence key to keeping Pakistan off balance. A nuclear Iran capable of playing mischief without fear of reprisal is viewed in New Delhi as “not undesirable” at all.

There were a few other messages from the Nonaligned Movement Summit that can be interpreted as minor victories for Iran. President Mohamed Morsi of Egypt violated the guiding principles of the movement—nonalignment—by roundly criticising the Bashar al-Assad regime in Syria. However, he ignored the issue of Iranian support for Damascus. The fact that he turned up for the summit at all spoke volumes.

Similarly, Prime Minister Singh did not bring up the issue of February’s attack on the Israeli diplomat in Delhi. This is quite possibly because India has been the only country allowed to pursue its investigations into Iran—and subsequently drew a blank.

Iran resorted to theatrics to preempt any mention of the incident. Standing on red draped exhibition podia were the three shattered cars of each of the Iranian nuclear scientists who were presumably assassinated by Israeli intelligence.

The only real setback for Iran was United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon’s criticism of both President Ahmadinejad and Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei for their statements on Israel. But on balance, the summit can be hailed as a foreign policy success by Tehran.
India Sends Message to Washington From Tehran | Atlantic Sentinel

 

[KS]

We finally agree on something... It is too late, you are the one saying we will be future allies. I am saying it will never happen, that ship has long sailed.

yeah destroy each other while the arabs happily pick on the spoils.