Message for PM of India: Avoid cosying up to Iran

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Hey, we only live once.

As to the enemies part; I'd rather think that if Iran stayed an ally of Israel, we could have neutralized a lot of Arab enemies and the world might have been a less suicide-bombish place. Suicide bombing started somewhere you know.

if you work towards a just solution on the Palestine issue, you wont have any enemies in the region.....at present, there are winds of change in many countries of the Arab world. I dont think waging war on israel is on their agenda; especially after 67 and 73

regarding suicide attacks -- we never even hear about terrorism by Arabs on israel. So why the anti-Arab sentiment?

again i reiterate what i said in my last post (though its between you and Iranians).....i dont think they'd wage a war on israel, their posturing seems to be mostly defensive in nature. Ahmedinnejad has a big mouth which he shouldnt keep running all the time, but then again so does Netanyahu.

 

[PteX]

You can start now, by stopping anti Iranian threads. Also not thanking other members who do anti Iranian threads. You ask to be allies but your actions only increase hate.

We'll talk once you hang every person who has chanted "Death to Israel", the Ayatollah and Ahmadinejad being the first to go.

 

[Hashshāshīn]

Oh look. Israel getting jealous.

 

[PteX]

if you work towards a just solution on the Palestine issue, you wont have any enemies in the region.....at present, there are winds of change in many countries of the Arab world. I dont think waging war on israel is on their agenda; especially after 67 and 73

regarding suicide attacks -- we never even hear about terrorism by Arabs on israel. So why the anti-Arab sentiment?

again i reiterate what i said in my last post (though its between you and Iranians).....i dont think they'd wage a war on israel, their posturing seems to be mostly defensive in nature. Ahmedinnejad has a big mouth which he shouldnt keep running all the time, but then again so does Netanyahu.

Iran would not wage open war but if they acquired Nuclear capability, then they would feel much more secure when they fund and order their Arab proxies to kill Israelis.

Never hear about terrorism by Arabs against Israel? They've claimed thousands of lives of women, children and elderly, they targeted them because they know they are too weak to go head to head with Israel.

They openly admit that they target Israeli civilians to teach Israel a "lesson".

Two Young adult Arabs murdered an entire family with their bare hands, using a knife and then they said they were proud of their actions. They stabbed an infant baby to death, along with their 3-5 year old siblings one after the other.
How is this not terrorism? This happened just a year ago. Not to mention the bombing of Israelis in Bulgaria, also women and children.

Abu, you can't choose and pick the reality of things. The very definition of Arab is terrorism.

You have them to thank for all the slaughtered innocents in Pakistan, no one else and yet you defend them. They've killed more Pakistanis with their twisted ideologies than anyone else.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

We'll talk once you hang every person who has chanted "Death to Israel", the Ayatollah and Ahmadinejad being the first to go.

in this day and age, countries would ideally not be wishing death or wars on other ones


war aint no joke

 

[kobiraaz]

Iran was not created illegaly by hijacking and expelling owners! Israel was! Good to see that old wise man MMS followed his conscience! I always envied indian politicians! They are far ahead than pakistani and bangladeshi leaders in almost everything!

 

[PteX]

in this day and age, countries would ideally not be wishing death or wars on other ones


war aint no joke

War is hell.I assume you've seen dead bodies in your life, but how about a school bus torn apart by a suicide bombers? That too is hell on earth.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Iran would not wage open war but if they acquired Nuclear capability, then they would feel much more secure when they fund and order their Arab proxies to kill Israelis.

but you also have proxies of your own no?

good cop bad cop

Never hear about terrorism by Arabs against Israel? They've claimed thousands of lives of women, children and elderly, they targeted them because they know they are too weak to go head to head with Israel.

any act of terrorism against civilians is wrong....but so is bull-dozing homes and humiliating checkpoints

not my war, not my problem...but thats just my take on it

They openly admit that they target Israeli civilians to teach Israel a "lesson".

civilians should not be attacked

Abu, you can't choose and pick the reality of things. The very definition of Arab is terrorism.

that's a very provocative statement, Ptex.

even if you genuinely do feel that way, what about Arabs who hold israeli passports or citizenship?

You have them to thank for all the slaughtered innocents in Pakistan, no one else and yet you defend them. They've killed more Pakistanis with their twisted ideologies than anyone else.

im quite bitter that there are foreign elements in my country who abuse our hospitality and exploit barren, difficult to monitor lands for different purposes

but my anger is largely reserved towards the people who elect crooks, and the crooks themselves who are elected to ''lead'' us

 

[PteX]

but you also have proxies of your own no?

good cop bad cop





any act of terrorism against civilians is wrong....but so is bull-dozing homes and humiliating checkpoints

not my war, not my problem...but thats just my take on it




civilians should not be attacked




that's a very provocative statement, Ptex.

even if you genuinely do feel that way, what about Arabs who hold israeli passports or citizenship?




im quite bitter that there are foreign elements in my country who abuse our hospitality and exploit barren, difficult to monitor lands for different purposes

but my anger is largely reserved towards the people who elect crooks, and the crooks themselves who are elected to ''lead'' us

Well, we too share impotent leadership. The Arab parliament members of the Knesset are literally blatant traitors, calling for justice for Palestine after they've sworn loyalty to Israel, not to mention that they support mass murderers from Hamas to Syria. And these people are elected by Israeli Arabs.

They do not deserve to live in Israel but they do because there has been no true leadership in Israel for decades. Of course not all Arabs are like that but Israelis have a special definition of "Arab" which includes the Arab nations surrounding us and the traitors among our nation. Those are "Arabs".

 

[Shahin Vatani]

@PteX, you talk about Arab injustices towards Israel. What about all the settlements Israelis do on Arab land, is that not an injustice?

 

[Serpentine]

Iran would not wage open war but if they acquired Nuclear capability, then they would feel much more secure when they fund and order their Arab proxies to kill Israelis.

Never hear about terrorism by Arabs against Israel? They've claimed thousands of lives of women, children and elderly, they targeted them because they know they are too weak to go head to head with Israel.

They openly admit that they target Israeli civilians to teach Israel a "lesson".

Two Young adult Arabs murdered an entire family with their bare hands, using a knife and then they said they were proud of their actions. They stabbed an infant baby to death, along with their 3-5 year old siblings one after the other.
How is this not terrorism? This happened just a year ago. Not to mention the bombing of Israelis in Bulgaria, also women and children.

Abu, you can't choose and pick the reality of things. The very definition of Arab is terrorism.

You have them to thank for all the slaughtered innocents in Pakistan, no one else and yet you defend them. They've killed more Pakistanis with their twisted ideologies than anyone else.

Number of Israeli and Palestinian citizens killed since 2000:

Israel:731
Palestinians:3,535 - 4,226

not to forget more than 1200 Lebanese civilians killed in 2006.You can not play the victim role,not any more.

Israelis and Palestinians Killed since 9/29/2000

 

[KS]

We have a say in world affairs. We have to play bigger role, a responsible one.

"Bigger responsible role !"..

Fancy words with no real meaning. All three - Arabs, Israelis and Iranians are important in one way or another to us. SO what do you do to not harm relations with each of them ? Stay neutral and not even touch their issues with a barge pole.

Also we have dozens and dozens of internal problems, terrorist activities, insurgent movements etc in our country. First lets finish them all and then we can 'say' something about something as inconsequential as Palestine.

That's why I believe we must try to maintain relations with both but it shouldn't be acceptable if some try to dictate us foreign policy

No one is dictating any one foreign policy. This is a canard spread by Islamists and pseudo-intellectuals who are rabidly anti-american and anti-israeli. And denouncing Israel sitting in Iran is hardly the way to go about 'maintaining relations' with both.

You brought religion into this

No I did not. I just said I know why you support those arrogant self-entitled sobs called Palestinians.

That's what I want to say. The technology, weapons have many options, many countries and we have a good defence industry too. One day we'll make all indigenous..

No we dont. For example what are the alternative sources for AWACS or spy satellites ? Can you give an example ?

Let's not over-hype what Iran has to offer us or under-play what Israel has to offer just because of idealogical leanings.

Palestine is of no-consequence to us. Whether they get a state or not does not change a speck in India. They can all collectively go into the mediterranean for all I care. All I care about is Indianinterest and that is not served by repeatedly blabbering against one of our crucial ally, Israel. Andevery Indian should think the same.

 

[PteX]

@PteX, you talk about Arab injustices towards Israel. What about all the settlements Israelis do on Arab land, is that not an injustice?

Arab land is what they have in the Arab league. These are Jordanians, Egyptians, Syrians and Lebanese claiming Land which was never theirs and was under Ottoman rule before the British. So, no, they have no claim for the land but that is an entirely different discussion and the topic is Iran.

 

[karan21]

Both isreal and iran are imp to us. Cant choose any one of them.

 

[KS]

As to the enemies part; I'd rather think that if Iran stayed an ally of Israel, we could have neutralized a lot of Arab enemies and the world might have been a less suicide-bombish place. Suicide bombing started somewhere you know.

I wish it happens.

You guys are not enemies. You are made out to be. Probably the arbs are laughing their *** off seeing you indulging in a fight. . Two mangoes with one stone.